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JeanieK 01-19-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2963381)
My Livi is due anytime now....I live in Missouri.
How's it going Tammy? Better hurry or Ollie will beat her.

bchgirl 01-19-2010 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2962481)
That's great if you live in Russia, but I don't believe it has anythjing to do with the US. The Biewers are considered a separate breed in Germany also. But that has nothing to do with the points being debated here.
Oh it has everything to do with akc acceptance though.

bchgirl 01-19-2010 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2962545)
Really, and what gene would that be, and how do you know it to be different gene??
Irish spotting gene. Studying dog coat genetics.

Question - do parti's have ticking on their bodies? Pigmented spots?

As puppies a biewer may have a white saddle and spots of color may be seen on their skin...eventually hair in these spots grows out black...leaving streaks within the white.

bchgirl 01-19-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2963359)
Yes, Raymond Antonucci had Parti Yorkies and he did show in IABCA. Actually I have a photo of him with one of his parti's .
Mr Antonucci passed away in March 2008. YTCA added the color disqualification in October 1, 2007. IABCA uses the YTCA standard for judging...quite obviously with the noted dates, Mr Antonucci showed his dog prior to the change. Their color is not weighted as a fault...it is a disqualification in confirmation showing.

kpstoybox 01-19-2010 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2963912)
Irish spotting gene. Studying dog coat genetics.

Question - do parti's have ticking on their bodies? Pigmented spots?

As puppies a biewer may have a white saddle and spots of color may be seen on their skin...eventually hair in these spots grows out black...leaving streaks within the white.

Yes the parti's spot in the same way. Here is a picture of my AKC parti boy after I scalped him. He is covered in spots.

Breezeaway 01-19-2010 08:51 PM
The Parti colored Yorkie can show in our shows, she would be judged against the FCI standards (FCI - Fédération Cynologique Internationale)


Brooke Bridegum
IABCA
International Dog Shows

WalnutHill 01-19-2010 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2962235)
It's pretty simple really. they are yorkies, and go by the standard with a color fault. Some day the fault will be lifted.
If this is the opinion of the members of the YTCA (and future members, I assume), then I doubt the disqualification will be reversed. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

bchgirl 01-19-2010 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2963938)
The Parti colored Yorkie can show in our shows, she would be judged against the FCI standards (FCI - Fédération Cynologique Internationale)


Brooke Bridegum
IABCA
International Dog Shows
Yorkshire-Terrier-Journal - Der original FCI-Standard in Englisch

Copied and pasted from the link above providing the FCI standard.

The color “steel blue” is defined exactly: the silky, straight and shiny coat reflects a bluish shimmer in sunlight. Steel blue may range from a darker to a lighter color, but not silver. A woolly, cottony, or wavy coat is not allowed, nor is a coat with champagne or white hair. Often a middle to dark anthracite is confused with steel blue (Yorkies with the former have hardly a correct tan). A Yorkshire Terrier of at least 24-30 months whose tan is already correctly shaded with gold and without grey hair usually hat a slightly lighter steel blue.

In IABCA shows...the dogs are judged against the standard and are awarded ratings or grades...with that stipulation in the standard I'm not certain a judge would award a V1 rating.

Frankly I'm amazed that you received a reply to an email that quickly....there is a decided lack of customer service on their part.

How many here have shown their partis?

bchgirl 01-19-2010 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 2963937)
Yes the parti's spot in the same way. Here is a picture of my AKC parti boy after I scalped him. He is covered in spots.
So all his ticking eventually came in black? Meaning it was white and changed over...I'm just curious. This was another discussion being held.

And yeah...he's naked alright.

kpstoybox 01-19-2010 10:27 PM
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So all his ticking eventually came in black? Meaning it was white and changed over...I'm just curious. This was another discussion being held.

And yeah...he's naked alright.
Yes...but those spots did not grow out when he was a puppy. In fact..I don't remember even noticing them when he was younger. It seems they came out over night. lol

It started out black but broke to a dark steal blue.

Here is a pic of his spots starting to grow out.

WV~Yorkies 01-20-2010 04:25 AM
All I know they are both beautiful. I have been reading this and alot of other things trying to learn. It is really complicated...

JeanieK 01-20-2010 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2963904)
Oh it has everything to do with akc acceptance though.
But the partis have already been accepted by the AKC and the Biewers have already been denied acceptance, because they are first and foremost yorkshire terriers. But since they call themselves another breed, the AKC won't accept them.

The AKC has a different set of criteria for starting a new breed, so the Biewers are in a bit of a pickle.

And now since part of the Biewer people claim that there is another breed mixed in and the other part says no they are yorkies, it makes it really bad for them.

At least with the partis we all agree what they are, well so far anyway, I suppose that could change..

JeanieK 01-20-2010 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2963949)
If this is the opinion of the members of the YTCA (and future members, I assume), then I doubt the disqualification will be reversed. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)
Oh it can always be reversed. All it would take is someone to get on the board with a desire and some money.

It may onot be in my lifetime, but it will change, even if they just add a separate category for them.

WalnutHill 01-20-2010 06:26 AM
I suppose. But based on that statement by the YTCA, I presume no one with the desire would ever be elected to the board.

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies (Post 2964071)
All I know they are both beautiful. I have been reading this and alot of other things trying to learn. It is really complicated...
We have alot of info posted on our parti club website if you would like to visit.

TammyJM 01-20-2010 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2963971)
How many here have shown their partis?
Deb,

I do not know of anyone (yet) that has shown their partis, but can tell you that I would have been interested in showing Livi if I had known that I could.

Tammy

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 06:29 AM
Bchgirl, since you have biewers can you tell me the names of the 4 dogs that the clubs think Mr biewer purchased from Streamglen, because from what i have read I get separate dogs

JeanieK 01-20-2010 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2964168)
I suppose. But based on that statement by the YTCA, I presume no one with the desire would ever be elected to the board.
Unless they had a lot to offer. :D

The only thing in life that never changes is "the fact that everything changes".

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 06:39 AM
When the numbers of partis and and owners change, it will change. Majority rules

WalnutHill 01-20-2010 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2964193)
When the numbers of partis and and owners change, it will change. Majority rules
I guess there's noting wrong with being optimistic. I just think you'd have better luck going the 'seperate breed' route.

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 06:50 AM
And how would you propose to go a separate breed route? They are yorkshire terriers and they cant be registered as a Biewer.

TammyJM 01-20-2010 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2964203)
I guess there's noting wrong with being optimistic. I just think you'd have better luck going the 'seperate breed' route.
:rolleyes: But why should we...really?? We own purebred Yorkshire Terriers.

TammyJM 01-20-2010 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2964207)
And how would you propose to go a separate breed route? They are yorkshire terriers and they cant be registered as a Biewer.
Not only that, but the AKC would never register them as another breed because they are NOT.

WalnutHill 01-20-2010 06:58 AM
I have no idea how you would go about it. I'm just saying, if the parent club says they aren't yorkies, then the chances of 'getting in' are nil.

TammyJM 01-20-2010 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2964221)
I have no idea how you would go about it. I'm just saying, if the parent club says they aren't yorkies, then the chances of 'getting in' are nil.
I am not completely sure that this is there arguement...."they aren't Yorkies". My understanding is that it is because of the tri-color is not the standard.

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 07:19 AM
Exactly, They are just not the color the YTCA wants.

WalnutHill 01-20-2010 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2964227)
I am not completely sure that this is there arguement...."they aren't Yorkies". My understanding is that it is because of the tri-color is not the standard.
That's not the way I read the statment on the YTCA website. It seemed pretty clear that the opinion is that they are not Yorkies.



"Yorkies do not have white markings…never have" and etc read to me as though there is no possibility that a pure Yorkshire terrier can have white markings on the saddle.

That's why I thought the 'seperate breed' route would be a better battle.

BamaFan121s 01-20-2010 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2964154)
Oh it can always be reversed. All it would take is someone to get on the board with a desire and some money.
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2964179)
Unless they had a lot to offer. :D
LOL...so in otherwords, you think the YTCA's acceptance of them could be bought if someone paid them enough? LOL...maybe if the Parti breeders of the world who charge 5-6K for their dogs simply because "they can to meet the demand" pooled their resources together, they could pull that off. :p

Breezeaway 01-20-2010 07:52 AM
It does not state that they are not yorkies............. and they only print the history parts that suits them. There were white yorkies in the 1800's

WalnutHill 01-20-2010 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2964266)
It does not state that they are not yorkies............. and they only print the history parts that suits them. There were white yorkies in the 1800's
So, in any given population of yorkies, there should be this color "variation?"


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