Biewer & Parti-Yorkie---difference?

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Oh but there is a set standard for the Parti Yorkshire terrier, It is a Yorkshire terrier and goes by that standard except for color.
The original Biewer standard was also using the same standard as the yorkie except for color.
For the life of me I still cannot understand how you get a whole different breed when the foundation of it is years and years of Yorkshire terrier, nothing but yorkies.
Fru and Darling were Yorkshire terriers that thru a parti colored pup, The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding”.So he set out to find someone who would register them as a separate breed, He called them the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon
He got them registered with the ACH.
Even he knew they were yorkshire terriers, Just a different color. Had they been allowed registry into the VDH they would have been parti colored yorkshire terriers.

and that is the best way Ive seen in explained yet. no genetics talk, just plain and simple..thank you...

[Perrella]

Thanks to all, this is very good info. So, if I want to get a companion for Zhoie, I could get a parti yorkie, simply because I love the coloring. She is a year old the 25th and I would be looking for one that is anticipated to be about that size...I'm really excited now. If I can only find a good breeder in my area, wish me luck!

[SassyAnn101]

After reading all that I still dont know the difference except for the Biewer has a tail, the Parti does not Either way they are Beautiful

[kpstoybox]

QUOTE=Breezeaway;2961714]Oh but there is a set standard for the Parti Yorkshire terrier, It is a Yorkshire terrier and goes by that standard except for color.
The original Biewer standard was also using the same standard as the yorkie except for color.
For the life of me I still cannot understand how you get a whole different breed when the foundation of it is years and years of Yorkshire terrier, nothing but yorkies.
Fru and Darling were Yorkshire terriers that thru a parti colored pup, The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding”.So he set out to find someone who would register them as a separate breed, He called them the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon
He got them registered with the ACH.
Even he knew they were yorkshire terriers, Just a different color. Had they been allowed registry into the VDH they would have been parti colored yorkshire terriers.[/QUOTE]

Exactomundo!! We have a winner!!

This is it folks...plain and simple!! Thanks Deb!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

The parti yorkies standard with the exception of color, is the same as any AKC Yorkshire Terrier.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Oh but there is a set standard for the Parti Yorkshire terrier, It is a Yorkshire terrier and goes by that standard except for color.

According to who? It's not recognized by the YTCA or AKC?

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there is no standard for the Parti Yorkie. If you feel I am incorrect in that statement, then please point out where ont eh AKC or YTC website it can be looked up. I realize that most Parti breeders follow the standard for the YT, with the exception of color, but currently there is no recognized standard set for this variation of the breed. The only standard for Yorkie currently only includes the blue/gold combo...no others.

Not meaning to step on toes here, but it can be a bit misleading to someone just learning about Partis to be told there is a standard for them when there really isn't, other than what Parti breeders have elected to follow.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

According to who? It's not recognized by the YTCA or AKC?

Apparently it is recgonized by the AKC otherwise they wouldn't allow the color to be registered? YTCA writes the standards and AKC just lists the breed clubs written standards on their site.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I understand the point you are trying to make, but there is no standard for the Parti Yorkie. If you feel I am incorrect in that statement, then please point out where ont eh AKC or YTC website it can be looked up. I realize that most Parti breeders follow the standard for the YT, with the exception of color, but currently there is no recognized standard set for this variation of the breed. The only standard for Yorkie currently only includes the blue/gold combo...no others.

Not meaning to step on toes here, but it can be a bit misleading to someone just learning about Partis to be told there is a standard for them when there really isn't, other than what Parti breeders have elected to follow.

Not stepping on any toes - we're good

Maybe you could tell us where the written standards are for the color variations of black and gold, light silver and tan, blue and red, blue and tan with intermingled dark hairs ... well, basically about 80% of the yorkie population that doesn't meet the dark steel blue and tan standards ... if there is a written standard for those other off colors, than I guess parti would fall into their written standards?

Bottom line is that AKC registered parti colored yorkshire terrier ARE Yorkshire terriers, and they are just as off colored as a black and gold according to the YTCA's standards for color.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Apparently it is recgonized by the AKC otherwise they wouldn't allow the color to be registered? YTCA writes the standards and AKC just lists the breed clubs written standards on their site.

I wasn't stating that the color variation wasn't recognized by them. Of course it is or they wouldn't be registerable. I was pointing out that a standard for partis isn't recognized by them. And it's not. I stand by what I stated...there is no set and recognized standard for parti Yorkies.

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Maybe you could tell us where the written standards are for the color variations of black and gold, light silver and tan, blue and red, blue and tan with intermingled dark hairs ... well, basically about 80% of the yorkie population that doesn't meet the dark steel blue and tan standards ... if there is a written standard for thoseother off colors, than I guess parti would fall into their written standards?

Just as I always state, I agree that a large majority of Yorkies do not fit every single aspect called for by the standard. No argument there. I believe most are aware than lots of dogs are produced that don't meet the standard. I even already stated that the other colors you mentioned did not have a standard as well...which is the truth.
However, that was not the point of my post. My point was to correct the mistatement that there is a standard for Partis, when in fact there isn't.

Sometimes statements that people make are just that...statements of fact...not challenges. Why they are always treated as such is still a mystery to me. Stating that there is no standard for Partis is just that...a statment of fact.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

variation of the breed.

Misty~

I get what you are trying to say, but the parti is not a variation of the breed. It is a COLOR variation within the breed. The parti is still a Yorkshire Terrier, just tri-colred.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I stand by what I stated...there is no set and recognized standard for parti Yorkie. My point was to correct the mistatement that there is a standard for Partis, when in fact there isn't. P

You are completely missing the point when it is stated that there is a standard for the parti. We are saying that there is NOT a seperate standard because the parti is still a purebred Yorkshire Terrier...so the 'standard' is the same as it is for any other color Yorkie.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

so the 'standard' is the same as it is for any other color Yorkie.

No, I'm not missing the point. The "standard" you refer to is just what you gals have elected to follow when breeding, not 'standard' actually recognized by the AKC or any other organization. Again, I stand by my statement, which is really farily simple and factual unless one is just looking for arguemnt: There is NO SET and RECOGNIZED standard for a Parti Yorkie. If there was, it would be on AKC's site. So you state there is a standard, again I ask the question: According to who?

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Misty~

I get what you are trying to say, but the parti is not a variation of the breed. It is a COLOR variation within the breed. The parti is still a Yorkshire Terrier, just tri-colred.

I am glad that you understood what I was trying to say.

Being corrected for saying "a varation OF the breed" instead of a "variation WITHIN the breed..."
Seriously? A bit ridiculous and far fetched. I don't see where ANYONE, myself or anyone else every made any suggestion at all that Partis were anything BUT Yorkshire Terrier without the typical standard coloring. So why was that even neccessary? Potato, Pa-tah-toe. There is no difference in the two phrases.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't see where ANYONE, myself or anyone else every made any suggestion at all that Partis were anything BUT Yorkshire Terrier without the typical standard coloring. So why was that even neccessary? Potato, Pa-tah-toe. There is no difference in the two phrases.

Actually, if you are saying that we, parti breeders, do not have a standard to follow than you are indeed saying that the parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier. You can't have it both ways...you say that we don't have a standard, but then you turn around and say that you do believe the parti to be a Yorkie. Then tell me, why in the world do you think that the parti breeders should follow a seperate standard than any other color of Yorkie??

[Breezeaway]

The standard for the Parti yorkie is the Yorkshire Terrier Standard, the Parti is not a breed by itself so therefore it does not have a standard separate from the Yorkshire terrier standard. If it had a separate standard than the yorkshire terrier then it wouldn't be a yorkshire terrier.
The parti yorkie is a just a color variation of the yorkie not a breed. You cant have 2 breed standards for colors, the cocker spaniel doesnt have separate standards for their variation of colors

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Actually, if you are saying that we, parti breeders, do not have a standard to follow than you are indeed saying that the parti is not a Yorkshire Terrier. You can't have it both ways...you say that we don't have a standard, but then you turn around and say that you do believe the parti to be a Yorkie. Then tell me, why in the world do you think that the parti breeders should follow a seperate standard than any other color of Yorkie??

That's just it...you are NOT breeding to the set YT standard--you are following a standard with modifications. There is no set standard for YTs that includes parti coloring.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The standard for the Parti yorkie is the Yorkshire Terrier Standard....

....WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COLOR. So therefore, the YT standard is NOT the standard for Partis, even if only in that aspect.

It really IS a pretty simple concept. The YT standard calls for blue/gold, nothing else. Partis do not meet that aspect of the standard. So it cannot be said that the YT standard is the standard for Partis. There is no recognized standard that allows for parti coloring.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

That's just it...you are NOT breeding to the set YT standard--you are following a standard with modifications. There is no set standard for YTs that includes parti coloring.

They are AKC registered as Parti colored Yorkshire Terriers, so there is your standard.