Vet dilema....what would you do?

[BellaBlue82]

Originally Posted by Miss Behavin

I don't know how old you are, but this is called a false argument, and just wrong on so many levels. You are comparing apples to oranges. Dogs are not children (do your kids urinate on paper, in the lawn, or the corner of your living room?). Dogs do not learn, ration, or reason as children.
Of course you wouldn't take a kid, no matter how bratty, back to a Dr that abuses them! This is not the same situation.
I have not been here (on the forums) very long. But, it seems far too many people tolerate, accept, or encourage bad behavior simply b/c of size. What's cute to "mommy" is not cute to others.

Well I'm not sure what age has to do with anything (I'm 27 if it helps you at all), but I can see that you are on here just to start fights. And actually, my four year old pees all over the bathroom floor all of the time because he won't lift the seat and gets distracted easily... and it's called an accident! No one said the dog was abused, I think we can all agree (well, almost all of us) that it was just innapropriate behavior. I'm not comparing dogs to children, but the point is that in either situation, it's the owner/parent's responsibility to discipline, not anyone else. Hope you have a wonderful day though!

[Bianca]

Originally Posted by KelMchel

I always ask myself "Kelly, are you SURE you want to post this on this forum" and again I said yes this time, surely I see now I shouldnt have....I see why so many are run off of this forum, you come here LOOKING for advice and you get torn apart. Thank you for your words of advice on Rylies behavior, first of all, I dont tolerate this behavior, it is the FIRST time ever he has done this, I believe that someone on here said perhaps it was the fact of WHERE he was and perhaps even he remembered that last time he was there, he got poked in the back with a very sharp thing that left him hurting several days....I for one believe that animals are very smart and that they can and do remember things. I want to thank those of you that felt that vet was a bit harsh.....I also want to say that this might be my last post, I dont come on this forum to have my feelings hurt, or have people say ugly things, true, your opinion is your opinion but sometimes that opinion shouldnt be spoken......

HUH? I just wanted you to clarify the bop he gave your baby on the nose, that is all. If you say it was for sure a smack and not a tap I believe you. I don't think people just asking you for clarification means you should get offended. If you don't want opinions that don't ask for them
Sorry if I offended you in any way..

[MaddiesMommie]

OP, if I felt uncomfortable with the actions of my vet, I would seek another vet. Ultimatly, it is what YOU feel comfortable with.
My vet always has a tech in the room with him to help correctly hold the animals on the exam table.

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by Miss Behavin

Wait - let me understand this: OP came here seeking opinions. We should only express opinions that are in accordance, or say nothing at all? If OP already knew the answer, why did she create a post that sought differing opinions?

Just trying to learn the rules So, dissent is wrong, mean, and hurts feelings . Well, OP, keep laughing at vicious behavior, and see how many vetrinarians you go through, not to mention the general public

First of all..I didnt come here knowing the answers....secondly, I never imagined that my question would start this big of a problem, so for that I apologize. As for my laughing about Rylies vicious behavior, maybe VICIOUS wasnt the right word to have used......so again I apologize for that. He was yapping (barking) and appeared to be afraid IMO. I have truly learned lessons both at the vet, and on the forum, I APPRECIATE all opinions NOT just the ones that did not think I was over reacting. Im shocked at how nasty some can be in their opinions, my mom always taught me that there is a time and a place and a WAY to handle all situations, so I try to use just that. Im sorry if I offended anyone in my original post, it wasnt my intention.......

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by BellaBlue82

I agree with the disciplining thing, but not if it's not your dog to discipline. Like I said before, it's the same thing with children. I would never allow someone else to smack my kids, it's not appropriate. If the dog was making that much of a fuss, I'm sure that Kel could have taken care of it herself if she felt that her baby was out of order.

BUT there will come a time when she may need to take that dog to the vets and drop it off for surgery or whatever and she wont be there to "control" her dog. I dont think the vet was out of line, if it was just a "bop" on the nose. He was telling the dog that he was the boss and that was it.. Im going to assume after the "bop" that the dog stop his growling?? Your dog was showing signs of aggression towards another person, this isnt funny nor acceptable. The next time he shows aggression may be the time he decides to strike and hurt someone. If the vet truly "smacked" the dog then yes he was out of line, I would of said something, walked out the door and be hunting for a new vet.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally Posted by BellaBlue82

Well I'm not sure what age has to do with anything (I'm 27 if it helps you at all), but I can see that you are on here just to start fights. And actually, my four year old pees all over the bathroom floor all of the time because he won't lift the seat and gets distracted easily... and it's called an accident! No one said the dog was abused, I think we can all agree (well, almost all of us) that it was just innapropriate behavior. I'm not comparing dogs to children, but the point is that in either situation, it's the owner/parent's responsibility to discipline, not anyone else. Hope you have a wonderful day though!

you are absolutely wrong. I am here to gain information, as well as to dispense information that I have learned with my yorkie girl. If to you, this translates to I am here simply to 'start fights', so be it.
The reason I asked your age was b/c your argument was so simplistic and it did seem to me that you were, indeed, comparing dogs to children ("if your child's doctor hit them, would you go back?"). It's rainy, dark, and cold in SoFL, but other than this, my day is great, thanks
You have a great day, too!

Gisela & Pippita

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by Bianca

HUH? I just wanted you to clarify the bop he gave your baby on the nose, that is all. If you say it was for sure a smack and not a tap I believe you. I don't think people just asking you for clarification means you should get offended. If you don't want opinions that don't ask for them
Sorry if I offended you in any way..

Thanks

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

BUT there will come a time when she may need to take that dog to the vets and drop it off for surgery or whatever and she wont be there to "control" her dog. I dont think the vet was out of line, if it was just a "bop" on the nose. He was telling the dog that he was the boss and that was it.. Im going to assume after the "bop" that the dog stop his growling?? Your dog was showing signs of aggression towards another person, this isnt funny nor acceptable. The next time he shows aggression may be the time he decides to strike and hurt someone. If the vet truly "smacked" the dog then yes he was out of line, I would of said something, walked out the door and be hunting for a new vet.

No, Rylie did not stop his growling and began shaking after the "bop"......now Im off to dinner with my children....and husband, wishing you all a good night

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by KelMchel

No, Rylie did not stop his growling and began shaking after the "bop"......now Im off to dinner with my children....and husband, wishing you all a good night

Well, then you need to be finding a new vet.. Its obvious that Rylie wasnt happy being there. Have a great night..

[Miss Behavin]

Originally Posted by KelMchel

First of all..I didnt come here knowing the answers....secondly, I never imagined that my question would start this big of a problem, so for that I apologize. As for my laughing about Rylies vicious behavior, maybe VICIOUS wasnt the right word to have used......so again I apologize for that. He was yapping (barking) and appeared to be afraid IMO. I have truly learned lessons both at the vet, and on the forum, I APPRECIATE all opinions NOT just the ones that did not think I was over reacting. Im shocked at how nasty some can be in their opinions, my mom always taught me that there is a time and a place and a WAY to handle all situations, so I try to use just that. Im sorry if I offended anyone in my original post, it wasnt my intention.......

But, in all fairness, it was the word you used, followed by 'lol, it was so funny or cute [IIRC]. So, that's all we, as posters, had to go by.
Sincere apologies if I offended you. This was not my intent. I see and hear things like what you said (about your dog's behavior being cute & funny) many times, when it is anything but. I also disagreed that your vet was out of line by tapping him on his nose. There will be times (whether at the vet, the groomer, whatever the case may be), where the pup will be alone. That is why it's so important to regulate his temperament at a young age . That's the gist of what I was trying to say.

Best wishes & sincerest apologies for offending you (Seriously )

[LilMissy]

I don't know if this will be helpful for Rylie or not, but I always take the hands on approach with my dogs when they are at the vets. They don't need a vet tech in the room because *I* assist them. I think it puts my girls more at ease, and I feel better knowing that they won't jump or fall off the table. I always keep my hands on or around their head and shoulder area. That way they would have to get through me to get at the vet. They never try though, my girls love their vet. They even kiss her, and the vet kisses them back

[Princes mom]

Originally Posted by chachi

Dont leave. Sometimes you have to have a thick skin on here. I dont care if your vet thought he was disciplining your dog he didnt have a right or good reason to do what he did. Its not the vets job to discipline your dog.

[danyellm]

The vet should never have disciplined a dog unless asked by the owner or in fear for injury.
The vet should have used the situation as an opportunity to teach and instruct on examples of how to discpline bad behavior
.Dogs absolutely are the best judges of character ...find a new vet the trust has been broken.

[tarczely]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I think you are over reacting.

I'm sure it was not a smack hard enough to hurt him, most likely more of a tap with one or two fingers, just enough to let him know this is not acceptable behavior.

I propbably would have done the same thing if I were trying to give one of mine a shot and they were barking and growling.

It's called discipline, and highly recommended, because if you ignore the behavior, it will only get worse.

I agree, mine has tried to bite me and not calm down and I too have tapped him on the nose (did you take this for more then what it really was?) just courious...hope you get it worked out I personally love my vet and had he done that to mine I would have said thankyou, you don't want to teach your dog that this behavour is ok.

[BellaBlue82]

Originally Posted by Miss Behavin

you are absolutely wrong. I am here to gain information, as well as to dispense information that I have learned with my yorkie girl. If to you, this translates to I am here simply to 'start fights', so be it.
The reason I asked your age was b/c your argument was so simplistic and it did seem to me that you were, indeed, comparing dogs to children ("if your child's doctor hit them, would you go back?"). It's rainy, dark, and cold in SoFL, but other than this, my day is great, thanks
You have a great day, too!

Gisela & Pippita

Well no, you asked my age because you were trying to be insulting, that's a give in. I too am here to just give my opinion, and gain knowledge about this wonderful breed. You don't need to be on here saying that my argument is "simplistic," as this just indicates, as I stated before, you are here to pick fights (at least on this thread).

Anyway, OP, don't go anywhere! Just take in everyone's points whether you agree with them or not, and ultimiately do what's in your heart.