Vet dilema....what would you do?

[Miss Behavin]

my vet is also fantastic. He sits Indian-style down on the floor w/my pups. W/Pippi, he'll lift her up, and kiss and blow a raspberry (I think this is the word) on her belly. He's great, and seems to truly love dogs. My old dog, Casey, would begin trembling in fear as soon as we entered the office, oftentimes peeing on the floor. She also had to wear a muzzle, not b/c she 'sensed evil' (LOL), but b/c she didn't like it. Fear, oftentimes, manifests itself into aggression.
When I bring Pippi, my , to the vet or groomer, she snuggles up tight and is pretty staunch in her refusal to go. She's never displayed aggression, however . Only dismay.

I only wish Pippi sensed evil. If she had, I would have avoided a terrible relationship w/a guy who was a complete DB. I'm going to start going w/the opposite of men she likes

[Miss Behavin]

Originally Posted by BellaBlue82

Well no, you asked my age because you were trying to be insulting, that's a give in. I too am here to just give my opinion, and gain knowledge about this wonderful breed. You don't need to be on here saying that my argument is "simplistic," as this just indicates, as I stated before, you are here to pick fights (at least on this thread

No, BB. I asked b/c if you were a teenager, it would have made sense. But you take that as a "give in" (whatever this means) given, perhaps ). You were comparing apples to oranges, thus invalidating the entire premise of your original argument . This is not an insult. It is Making Sense 101

[KimberlySRN]

Originally Posted by Miss Behavin

No, BB. I asked b/c if you were a teenager, it would have made sense. But you take that as a "give in" (whatever this means) given, perhaps ). You were comparing apples to oranges, thus invalidating the entire premise of your original argument . This is not an insult. It is Making Sense 101

There are young posters on YT that are very mature for their age... More mature then some of the posters that are older. So I must say, age has nothing to do with it.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by KelMchel

Wow, I never imagined I would get the responses I have on this post.....lets see, Im trying to remember some of the posts......as for the "smack" he didnt use 2 fingers, it was more like 4 fingers and he "popped" Rylie on the nose, enough for Ryile to sorta cower a little? I guess you could say. As for someone saying that I would have spoken up if it had been hard, in all honesty, I guess you would have to know my personality, Im a bit shy, or as my grandfather used to say "backwards". I did not know what to say? And as we are standing there, he laughs and says, thats why they pay me the big bucks, to get barked at.....I guess Im one of the people I used to think was silly for loving their baby so much, this little boy is a part of my family and if I over reacted, oh well I guess I did, but I just felt it was a little inappropriate, I thought that spanking or smacking a dog left the wrong impression on an animal? I dont know Rylie to ever be afraid of me....so I would smack him......anyway, thanks so much for the replies

I do not know how big your dog is, but I'd be hard pressed with my 9 pound girl to be able to smack her nose with more than 3 fingers. As for a puppy their noses are so little 1 or 2 fingers at the most.

Did the dog "cower" afterwards, or did he just shrink back for a second and then get curious. Which would have been the expected response.

The puppy was showing disrespect to a human. That is never allowed, unless they are protecting me.

He's a professional, he saw a situastion that needed to be corrected and he corrected it. I believe to make anything more out of it is over reacting.

Just curious, did the puppy settle down afterwards?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

Your vet was out of line. Period.
A professional would have told you (his owner) that that was unacceptable behavior and to get your dog under control. The vet could have refused to treat, examine, etc, your dog until you had him under control, or he could have asked you to leave. He did not have to hit him. Because it is your job and responsibility to teach your dog manners, not the vets.

I would get another vet. Doesn't matter whether the tap was a light tap or not, he should not have tried to discipline unless he was in fear for him self, which doesn't seem to be the case.

bottom line, it is your choice where you take your furbaby for care. But it is also your responsibility to train, socialize and raise him to be a good canine citizen

I disagree. I think his behavior was professional. The dog was being disrespectful to him and he handled it. This is not a child that you can explain bad behavior to. This is a dog, and the correction has to be done instantiously, or the point is lost.

I doubt very much if he injured the dog in any way.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by KelMchel

I always ask myself "Kelly, are you SURE you want to post this on this forum" and again I said yes this time, surely I see now I shouldnt have....I see why so many are run off of this forum, you come here LOOKING for advice and you get torn apart. Thank you for your words of advice on Rylies behavior, first of all, I dont tolerate this behavior, it is the FIRST time ever he has done this, I believe that someone on here said perhaps it was the fact of WHERE he was and perhaps even he remembered that last time he was there, he got poked in the back with a very sharp thing that left him hurting several days....I for one believe that animals are very smart and that they can and do remember things. I want to thank those of you that felt that vet was a bit harsh.....I also want to say that this might be my last post, I dont come on this forum to have my feelings hurt, or have people say ugly things, true, your opinion is your opinion but sometimes that opinion shouldnt be spoken......

You came on here asking for opinions. And asking if you were over reacting.

You got opinions. Did you think everyone was going to agree?

When you ask for opinons and you get them, and then you argue with them, then you really did not want opinions, you wanted people to freak out over the "abuse" that your vet gave your puppy.

I don't see it as anything more than a correction. And to me it would not have been a big deal. He tapped your dog on his nose to distract him, and I am guessing it worked very well.

[Sashabear0430]

IF he tapped him with his finger then stay with him. He was just disciplining the dog for acting up.

[Ringo1]

I don't think my Vet would do this. My Westie was fairly hard to handle when he was a puppy and my vet never found this necessary.

He gives them a treat after very shot, etc and now both Ringo and Lucy are fine when they go there.

I don't think I would personally care for it either; though it wouldn't have infuriated me or anything. It might possibly make me think about trying out someone new. If you really like this vet, other than the one incident, perhaps you should discuss it with him.

Like any other business, you can always take your pet and money elsewhere if it absolutely made you uncomfortable.

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not know how big your dog is, but I'd be hard pressed with my 9 pound girl to be able to smack her nose with more than 3 fingers. As for a puppy their noses are so little 1 or 2 fingers at the most.

Did the dog "cower" afterwards, or did he just shrink back for a second and then get curious. Which would have been the expected response.

The puppy was showing disrespect to a human. That is never allowed, unless they are protecting me.

He's a professional, he saw a situastion that needed to be corrected and he corrected it. I believe to make anything more out of it is over reacting.

Just curious, did the puppy settle down afterwards?

Rylie is 4 months but 6 1/2 pounds, so he isnt tiny...I disagree with you on the disrespect thing, he was AFRAID, I know this, I could tell. And no, he didnt bounce and back and become curious after the pop, he cowered........ but thank you for your advice

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You came on here asking for opinions. And asking if you were over reacting.

You got opinions. Did you think everyone was going to agree?

When you ask for opinons and you get them, and then you argue with them, then you really did not want opinions, you wanted people to freak out over the "abuse" that your vet gave your puppy.

I don't see it as anything more than a correction. And to me it would not have been a big deal. He tapped your dog on his nose to distract him, and I am guessing it worked very well.

I beg your pardon Jeanie, I am NOT arguing with anyone, as a matter of fact, I believe it is the rest of the forum that has begun a war over my post. YES, I wanted opinions, Im 42 years old and know that NOT EVERY ONE will agree with me always. FURTHERMORE, your "abuse" CRAP, I never said.......I have seen people come on this forum and post some of the SILLIEST stuff I have ever heard of in my entire life but instead of come on here and be nasty, as I feel you are being right now with me, is uncalled for and not worth it for me, so I simply keep my mouth SHUT......but AGAIN, thanks for your opinion and advice or wait, did I read any advice from you? Ive read SO MUCH on this post Ive gotten sort of lost

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I disagree. I think his behavior was professional. The dog was being disrespectful to him and he handled it. This is not a child that you can explain bad behavior to. This is a dog, and the correction has to be done instantiously, or the point is lost.

I doubt very much if he injured the dog in any way.

Oh wait Jeanie, I stand corrected, you did advice me....thanks

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

I don't think my Vet would do this. My Westie was fairly hard to handle when he was a puppy and my vet never found this necessary.

He gives them a treat after very shot, etc and now both Ringo and Lucy are fine when they go there.

I don't think I would personally care for it either; though it wouldn't have infuriated me or anything. It might possibly make me think about trying out someone new. If you really like this vet, other than the one incident, perhaps you should discuss it with him.

Like any other business, you can always take your pet and money elsewhere if it absolutely made you uncomfortable.

Hi Ringo, I dont feel that I was infuriated, but more shocked that he did this, I had never seen a vet "pop" one before, which is why I came here to see maybe if anyone else had also had the experience....

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by Tessa Arnold

Find a new vet for sure, but let him know why you are changing. Some people should not be around animals.

I agree! Let them know!! That guy should not be able to smack another owners' dog...and find a new vet

[KelMchel]

Originally Posted by Miss Behavin

my vet is also fantastic. He sits Indian-style down on the floor w/my pups. W/Pippi, he'll lift her up, and kiss and blow a raspberry (I think this is the word) on her belly. He's great, and seems to truly love dogs. My old dog, Casey, would begin trembling in fear as soon as we entered the office, oftentimes peeing on the floor. She also had to wear a muzzle, not b/c she 'sensed evil' (LOL), but b/c she didn't like it. Fear, oftentimes, manifests itself into aggression.
When I bring Pippi, my , to the vet or groomer, she snuggles up tight and is pretty staunch in her refusal to go. She's never displayed aggression, however . Only dismay.

I only wish Pippi sensed evil. If she had, I would have avoided a terrible relationship w/a guy who was a complete DB. I'm going to start going w/the opposite of men she likes

I think your vet sounds wonderful.....so glad you have him

[Rootbeer]

Yes I totally agree, he should have asked you to control your dog or refuse to treat him.