Cesar M. has a yorkie!!

[Elegance]

Originally Posted by Britster

It’s a golden summer morning in California, and the dogs are getting restless. I can hear the kids giggling in the yard, and a symphony of swallows outside the kitchen window. Like every other day for the past 15 years, I am making Daddy’s breakfast.

He watches as I knead the gloppy mixture with my hands: warm chopped beef from the farm down the road, a handful of fresh herbs from the garden, and some boiled green beans, sliced into thirds. It takes me a while, but it’s a ritual I try not to rush.Knead the beef, add the greens, sprinkle in the herbs—knead, knead, knead. Make it soft, make it easy for him to eat.

Daddy is an old, old man now. He can’t do stairs anymore, and he’ll pretty much only eat his food if I prepare it. When his breakfast is ready, I take it over to him on the floor where he’s been eyeing me. I do my “come and get it” dance, whisper the words only he and I know, and place the bowl in front of him. He raises his head slightly, sniffs the air, and thumps his tail a few times, but otherwise stays put. Clearly, he wants more dancing. But it only takes a few moves before he’s on his feet, slopping away.

I have never had a dog like Daddy. During our decade and a half on this earth together, I’ve been astounded by his intuition, consoled by his affection, and awed by his silent empathy. Somewhere along the way, he helped my sons learn to walk.

I know there’ll be a morning sometime soon when I run through all my familiar routines, except one.

But it won’t be today. For now, the sun is shining, the kids are laughing, the swallows are singing, and Daddy is watching over us all.

-Cesar Millan


(Just thought it was a really sweet article. Pits are peoples pets, too, just like our Yorkies. And I think we should respect that.)

I really enjoyed reading this... And i also like Mr.Millan

[Sarahleigh112]

(Just thought it was a really sweet article. Pits are peoples pets, too, just like our Yorkies. And I think we should respect that.)

We had a very very aggressive Bichon that we had for 2 years before we had to give him away. I have many scars from him but never will I label any Bichon as a bad pet or call it an aggressive breed. It all depends very much on the dog itself and how it was raised & I don't think its fair to assume all pitts aren't fit to be pets because of others agression.

[PamBellaJagShy]

Originally Posted by Britster

It’s a golden summer morning in California, and the dogs are getting restless. I can hear the kids giggling in the yard, and a symphony of swallows outside the kitchen window. Like every other day for the past 15 years, I am making Daddy’s breakfast.

He watches as I knead the gloppy mixture with my hands: warm chopped beef from the farm down the road, a handful of fresh herbs from the garden, and some boiled green beans, sliced into thirds. It takes me a while, but it’s a ritual I try not to rush.Knead the beef, add the greens, sprinkle in the herbs—knead, knead, knead. Make it soft, make it easy for him to eat.

Daddy is an old, old man now. He can’t do stairs anymore, and he’ll pretty much only eat his food if I prepare it. When his breakfast is ready, I take it over to him on the floor where he’s been eyeing me. I do my “come and get it” dance, whisper the words only he and I know, and place the bowl in front of him. He raises his head slightly, sniffs the air, and thumps his tail a few times, but otherwise stays put. Clearly, he wants more dancing. But it only takes a few moves before he’s on his feet, slopping away.

I have never had a dog like Daddy. During our decade and a half on this earth together, I’ve been astounded by his intuition, consoled by his affection, and awed by his silent empathy. Somewhere along the way, he helped my sons learn to walk.

I know there’ll be a morning sometime soon when I run through all my familiar routines, except one.

But it won’t be today. For now, the sun is shining, the kids are laughing, the swallows are singing, and Daddy is watching over us all.

-Cesar Millan


(Just thought it was a really sweet article. Pits are peoples pets, too, just like our Yorkies. And I think we should respect that.)

Very nice article on Cesar. I like his methods and feel his knowledge of the innate behavior in dogs is amazing. I have watched him for years and believe he walks the walk when it come to caring for all animals.

I have also spent and equal amount of time watching Victoria on "It's Me or The Dog". She too is very knowledgable in the training of dogs. I feel she truly has the best interest of the dog in mind when attempting to help people in their training efforts. Even if it means that the person she is trying to help should give up the dog in order to provide a better situation for all involved.

With all that said, I really think many of you may not understand the most significant difference between these two people. Cesar's main focus is dealing with dogs with severe psychological and aggression issues. He clearly states that he is not a dog trainer. He seeks out dogs that have some of the most severe mental instability. His work is structured around the "Pack animal" mentality. He has studied the behaviors on a very different level than a typical animal trainer. I find it interesting and intriguing to see him manipulate unwanted behaviors with the assertion of dominance and pack leadership.

On the other hand Victoria's method's seem to focus on helping people learn to train their dog. Training methods based on reward and praise. She is very successful in these methods and her focus on positive re-enforcement works in most cases. These methods are highly successful in the training of the average dog. I have never watched her in a situation where she was dealing with severe aggression or extreme mental instability.

I have been on both sides of these issues. I raised and trained German Shepherd in schutzhund and tracking for years. Asserting dominance with these young, strong and powerful dogs are an absolute necessity and in the absence of strict and structured training they can be extremely out of control. This is when physical and mental dominance is used when a young dog may challenge you or others in your pack for dominance. Abuse is never acceptable under any circumstances. But strong leadership is a must.

On the other hand I now have 5 yorkies. There is no way those same methods can be used on my 5lb babies. I train the boys for the ring and the girls...well they have me trained.LOL My experience with these little darling's is that positive re-enforcement is much more effective. They love attention and treats and respond well with that method of training. The methods I used with my Shepherd would never work with my Yorkies. I think they would laugh at me if I tried. (Well if they could laugh).

My point in all of this is that the methods of these two highly trained professional are appropriate in each individual case. In the training of police canines the very first objective is to find what motivates your dog. Some dogs are food driven and others are toy or affection driven. But from the beginning a dog is never allowed to challenge a trainer without being reprimanded ( not by hitting but by asserting dominance by putting a dog on his back and have them submit). In this training both methods are used to achieve a highly trained canine that responds immediately and consistently to commands.

Having dealt with these two very different breeds I understand the necessity for both methods. Cesar and Victoria both contribute greatly to help our canine friends and educated the public. I really don't feel the criticism of either of them is warranted. Don't bite the hands of people who work so hard to make life better for any of our canine friends.

Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year YT friends, Pam

[Britster]

Originally Posted by C101Yorkie

Oh. My. Gosh. You guys did NOT just go there!!

First of all, I've met Cesar and his family. I met him in LA, and he invited me to NYC for his book launch party for "How To Raise The Perfect Dog". When I was in LA, they were filming and episode that I was supposed to watch. The dog was too dangerous and had to be taken to his center. Does that fix the problem in 30 minutes? I don't think so. Also, Baby Girl, one that was on an episode, stayed with Cesar for OVER 70 days! Yeah, problem fixed in half an hour, huh?

His yorkie, Georgia Peaches, was a rescue. I applaud rescuing ANY breed. And having a yorkie and a pit makes him an untrustworthy person? What about the members on here that have one of each? Are they bad as well??

And with his kid? He's trained his dogs to be gentle, with any person, dog, cat, what have you. And he's taught his kids how to act around dogs. Having a kid with your dog is NOT a bad thing! He has a pit with his kids, who are 15 and 11 now by the way. Are you going to get upset with someone who has kids and a rottie? Doberman? What about a german shepherd?? No. Pits get a bad rap. Ever heard of "Punish the deed not the breed"? A person shot and killed someone before. Are we all bad just because we are all human? No. Just because one individual in the species does something wrong, doesn't mean they all will.

His methods are just fine. If you were to have some dogs together, they would do the same to each other, if not worse. What he does is completely natural for the dog, and easier for the dog to understand what's going on. Yelling at the dog scares the dog. He/she doesn't know what's going on. When you "bite" them, they understand perfectly what you mean, "stop that right now."

He needs to have studied dogs his whole life and not just jumped in because of a TV show?? He has studied dogs since he was born! He lived with his grandfather on his ranch and studied what the dogs did EVERY DAY. Also, he had been working with dogs, how you see on TV, for about 20 years BEFORE the TV show.

Self-rightious? Uhh, no, I don't think so. He thinks of others BEFORE himself. He wants to HELP people, not just have a TV show to be famous. He's using the TV show to help people understand what to do, and what's wrong. Maybe they can help their dog themselves.

So you think people that like Cesar have never had a problem dog themselves? Well, my yorkie Sapphire decided that SHE was gonna be the boss of me. She had a rawhide one day and growled if I came near her. Took about 30 minutes of working with her when she finally walked away, and I was the pack leader again. She is great now. She doesn't grow when I want the bone back. And for walks? She's perfect! She walks right beside me. And the other dogs that bark and lunge at her? She never even looks at them. Simply ignore and walk away. I don't have an aggressive dog that tries to attack every dog back on walks BECAUSE I followed what Cesar says to do.

I think I'm done for now.

Ever hear, "don't judge a book by its cover"? He has a TV show. OMG he's self-centered and all he cares about is the money and publicity and being famous! No.

This is a touchy subject for me, and unless you know who he REALLY is, don't judge.

:thum bup:

[ARCHIE]

I didn't know that, I knew I loved this man!
I think he's the best and has a heart for animals.
I won't get into a debate about him, did that once and
that was enough. You either like him or you don't either
way you just have to respect this man for what he has
done for homeless animals.
Thanks for telling me this news.
Lucky little Yorkie. He'll be trained well and have lot's of
chums around him daily.

[Sharly4]

Originally Posted by Britster

It’s a golden summer morning in California, and the dogs are getting restless. I can hear the kids giggling in the yard, and a symphony of swallows outside the kitchen window. Like every other day for the past 15 years, I am making Daddy’s breakfast.

He watches as I knead the gloppy mixture with my hands: warm chopped beef from the farm down the road, a handful of fresh herbs from the garden, and some boiled green beans, sliced into thirds. It takes me a while, but it’s a ritual I try not to rush.Knead the beef, add the greens, sprinkle in the herbs—knead, knead, knead. Make it soft, make it easy for him to eat.

Daddy is an old, old man now. He can’t do stairs anymore, and he’ll pretty much only eat his food if I prepare it. When his breakfast is ready, I take it over to him on the floor where he’s been eyeing me. I do my “come and get it” dance, whisper the words only he and I know, and place the bowl in front of him. He raises his head slightly, sniffs the air, and thumps his tail a few times, but otherwise stays put. Clearly, he wants more dancing. But it only takes a few moves before he’s on his feet, slopping away.

I have never had a dog like Daddy. During our decade and a half on this earth together, I’ve been astounded by his intuition, consoled by his affection, and awed by his silent empathy. Somewhere along the way, he helped my sons learn to walk.

I know there’ll be a morning sometime soon when I run through all my familiar routines, except one.

But it won’t be today. For now, the sun is shining, the kids are laughing, the swallows are singing, and Daddy is watching over us all.

-Cesar Millan


(Just thought it was a really sweet article. Pits are peoples pets, too, just like our Yorkies. And I think we should respect that.)

That is the sweetest! A man with sutch love towards his dog! I wish there were more men out there who weren't afraid to express their love for their dogs! I wish I didn't dislike pits so much. I admire them and their owners from afar but never up close to touch. I know it makes me close minded but being that I was bit by the sweetest pit I choose to not be around them. If I see them at the petsmart I leave. But Daddy is a gorgeous pit.

[Sharly4]

Originally Posted by PamBellaJagShy

Very nice article on Cesar. I like his methods and feel his knowledge of the innate behavior in dogs is amazing. I have watched him for years and believe he walks the walk when it come to caring for all animals.

I have also spent and equal amount of time watching Victoria on "It's Me or The Dog". She too is very knowledgable in the training of dogs. I feel she truly has the best interest of the dog in mind when attempting to help people in their training efforts. Even if it means that the person she is trying to help should give up the dog in order to provide a better situation for all involved.

With all that said, I really think many of you may not understand the most significant difference between these two people. Cesar's main focus is dealing with dogs with severe psychological and aggression issues. He clearly states that he is not a dog trainer. He seeks out dogs that have some of the most severe mental instability. His work is structured around the "Pack animal" mentality. He has studied the behaviors on a very different level than a typical animal trainer. I find it interesting and intriguing to see him manipulate unwanted behaviors with the assertion of dominance and pack leadership.

On the other hand Victoria's method's seem to focus on helping people learn to train their dog. Training methods based on reward and praise. She is very successful in these methods and her focus on positive re-enforcement works in most cases. These methods are highly successful in the training of the average dog. I have never watched her in a situation where she was dealing with severe aggression or extreme mental instability.

I have been on both sides of these issues. I raised and trained German Shepherd in schutzhund and tracking for years. Asserting dominance with these young, strong and powerful dogs are an absolute necessity and in the absence of strict and structured training they can be extremely out of control. This is when physical and mental dominance is used when a young dog may challenge you or others in your pack for dominance. Abuse is never acceptable under any circumstances. But strong leadership is a must.

On the other hand I now have 5 yorkies. There is no way those same methods can be used on my 5lb babies. I train the boys for the ring and the girls...well they have me trained.LOL My experience with these little darling's is that positive re-enforcement is much more effective. They love attention and treats and respond well with that method of training. The methods I used with my Shepherd would never work with my Yorkies. I think they would laugh at me if I tried. (Well if they could laugh).

My point in all of this is that the methods of these two highly trained professional are appropriate in each individual case. In the training of police canines the very first objective is to find what motivates your dog. Some dogs are food driven and others are toy or affection driven. But from the beginning a dog is never allowed to challenge a trainer without being reprimanded ( not by hitting but by asserting dominance by putting a dog on his back and have them submit). In this training both methods are used to achieve a highly trained canine that responds immediately and consistently to commands.

Having dealt with these two very different breeds I understand the necessity for both methods. Cesar and Victoria both contribute greatly to help our canine friends and educated the public. I really don't feel the criticism of either of them is warranted. Don't bite the hands of people who work so hard to make life better for any of our canine friends.

Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year YT friends, Pam

Excellent post!! I totally agree and see your point there is a complete difference! I had a teacher once that said they had to take their Mastiff to a trainer b/c of them being naturally bull headed. She said you had to start young as soon as possible so it didn't get any bad habbits. She had to show her pup they were the dominant ones. This was back in the 80's I was in the 4th grade. So the two different methods are needed!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I dont know really anything about him. My mom loves him but I looked at a family picture of him and his family and pets and he has a pitbull and I'm sorry no matter how good or a trainer you are I dont think you should have a young child and a pitbull. I think its just asking for trouble.

Cesar has a lot of pit bulls as part of his back. His pitt bull "Daddy" has helped to train a lot of other dogs.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I give it a in short because I have strong opinions regarding dog training and some of Millan's methods have been criticized as outmoded and even harmful by numerous dog training and animal professionals including both the American Human Association as well as Dr. Dodman (head of animal behavior and training at Tufts University Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine).

If you do a quick google you will see all the criticism - it's been going on for years. I like Victoria Stillwell (It's me or the dog") and I give her a big

Cesar does not "train" dogs, he trains the people. If a dog has agression issues he rehabilitatates them.

Vistorias methods are all treat based. Try offering a treat to and attacking dog. It's not going to work.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Vets are not trained in behavior issues but they are trained in medical issues. I would go to a vet for medical reasons and I would go to a Board Certified Behaviorists for severe issues with a dog. Many of these PHD's are very involved with dogs just not on TV.

I had many Yorkies come through rescue that had issues...Cesars methods would have sent them over the bend and I would have been bitten many times. I have watched his shows and he fixes dogs in 30 minutes? I don't believe so. Working with animals that have been abused or have serious issues is never a quick fix.

I think one of the biggest things that turned me off was in his first book and it was towards they end where it talked about excercising his dogs - all his pittbulls and I finally figured out he was running his dogs about 6 hours a day....I believe excercise is good but not in that amount for a yorkie and I am not even sure for a pittbull.

I find most people who like him have never had a problem dog nor understand what some of his methods could do to a dog that has issues.

Any show that I have seen where the people are having issues with a rescue dog, Cesar trains the people, not the dog. He tells them to stop coddling the dog over what has happened to them in the past.

It is the coddling that is causeing the big problem. It is reinforcing their unstable behavior.

He tells the people to be calm and assertive so the dog knows that it is in a stable pack and most of the issues will go away.

For the ones that are acting out, he takes them to his center to be around calm submissive dogs.

Cesar has changed a lot from his early shows, and he admits that he too has learned along the way. A teacher that thinks he knows everything cannot learn. Cesar realizes that he is still learning.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Yes I watched his shows and I have his CD's....I have everyone of his books. I came to my decision based on researching everything. I did not do this lightly. Do not tell me what I think as I am fully aware of his old methods and I do not believe in them. Again, most of the trained behavorist and humane organization do not believe in his methods and they believe they are outdated. He uses methods that were used in my fathers time...and my father if he was still alive would be 85. I think times have changed from then.
Many people believe in his methods and try them even though it states they should not. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE ALPHA ROLL and he does.

Times have changed, but dogs have not. They still have the same basic needs just like children.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I just want to know how he is making out on housebreaking. Wish he had a leg hiker....although some girls also do that, so maybe.

I had a female leg hiker.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Your sadly mistaken to think I am malinformed. Just because someone dislikes a breed and for the saftey of there dog that is there life and would just die if something happened to there dog keeps them away from certain breed due to knowing one bite could kill there dog is wrong. You can be VERY informed and still dislike and feel its unsafe to be around a certain breed of dog.

It might surprise you to know that some people feel the same way about their pitt bulls.

And how do you know that he ever leaves them alone together. One can own two dogs and only leave them together only when supervised.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It might surprise you to know that some people feel the same way about their pitt bulls.

And how do you know that he ever leaves them alone together. One can own two dogs and only leave them together only when supervised.

Yes but there is very few dogs that could take on a pitt and win. Maybe he dosent even leave them alone together I dont know never said he did but even if your there and a pitt or other dog with like jaws decideds to go for your dog one bite could kill them weather your there or not.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Yes but there is very few dogs that could take on a pitt and win. Maybe he dosent even leave them alone together I dont know never said he did but even if your there and a pitt or other dog with like jaws decideds to go for your dog one bite could kill them weather your there or not.

I think you have to know your pitt bull. and know that he wil not react violently no matter what.

Not all can be trusted, but not all "can't be trusted either.

I know or an incident where one yorkie killed another. they got into a fight the owner was gone and they fought to the death.

Imagine how horrible, to come home to that.