No Longer Jealous...Now Too Friendly!

[CobysMom]

Hi Yorkie Family,

About a couple of weeks ago, I purchased a female yorkie as a new buddy for my male yorkie. He was unhappy to say the least. I am now happy to say that he started playing with her and loving on her! My husband and I were happy that they started getting along so well. I got a lot of helpful info from you guys to help him with his jealousy and I am hoping that you guys can help us with our new issues.

Now, my boy yorkie is SUPER over protective of our girl yorkie to the point that he is now biting those that try to come close to her. He has never had a problem with biting people or other dogs but now he does. He tried to bite my husband, my daughter, and one of my customers (he goes to the office with me). After he did it, he came around them with his head down like he was trying to apologize. Now I have to bring his cage and I hate putting him in there because he is used to having freedom. He is typically so well behaved. I know he is only trying to make sure she isn't hurt and I have tried showing him that they aren't going to hurt her.

Next, he loves playing with her and she loves playing with him but now he is trying to hump her. He hasn't been neutered because eventually I would like to breed. I tell him to stop when he starts to do that and he listens but I think when they start playing again it gets him in the mood

What can I do about both? We have crossed the hump of him being mean now he's a little too friendly to her and not so friendly to everyone else....

Help Please......Thanks

[Britster]

The humping is never going to stop if you don't get him neutered. In my opinion, by not neutering him, you're never going to get your "little boy" or your old pet back. Once they reach sexual maturity and have an unspayed female near them... that's ALL they will care about and he will be completely focused on that. Basically, everything you described, will probably not change without being neutered. There are millions of dogs being euthanized every single year... and thousands upon thousands in shelters across the US. Do you really want to contribute to pet overpopulation simply to breed? Why do you want to breed? Do you have their health backgrounds? Did you run testing on both dogs to be sure of no genetic defects? Do you know their lineage and pedigree?
I say get them both fixed and enjoy your pets as pets

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by Britster

The humping is never going to stop if you don't get him neutered. In my opinion, by not neutering him, you're never going to get your "little boy" or your old pet back. Once they reach sexual maturity and have an unspayed female near them... that's ALL they will care about and he will be completely focused on that. Basically, everything you described, will probably not change without being neutered. There are millions of dogs being euthanized every single year... and thousands upon thousands in shelters across the US. Do you really want to contribute to pet overpopulation simply to breed? Why do you want to breed? Do you have their health backgrounds? Did you run testing on both dogs to be sure of no genetic defects? Do you know their lineage and pedigree?
I say get them both fixed and enjoy your pets as pets

Very well said.

[CobysMom]

Originally Posted by Britster

The humping is never going to stop if you don't get him neutered. In my opinion, by not neutering him, you're never going to get your "little boy" or your old pet back. Once they reach sexual maturity and have an unspayed female near them... that's ALL they will care about and he will be completely focused on that. Basically, everything you described, will probably not change without being neutered. There are millions of dogs being euthanized every single year... and thousands upon thousands in shelters across the US. Do you really want to contribute to pet overpopulation simply to breed? Why do you want to breed? Do you have their health backgrounds? Did you run testing on both dogs to be sure of no genetic defects? Do you know their lineage and pedigree?
I say get them both fixed and enjoy your pets as pets

Thanks for your post but I can't help but feel a little offended. First, every breeder has started at this point with a desire to breed. I do enjoy both of my yorkies as my children not just my pets. We have done our research on what we need to know and we aren't endangering them in any way. My question to you is, are you questioning all breeders in this manner? I am just another yorkie lover that wants to be able to provide other loving families with a companion that we have been blessed to have. I am not in any way going to be contributing to "overpopulation". The fact of me wanting to become a breeder was not the issue that I needed help with. Thanks for your post; however, it was not helpful to our situation.

[yorkiejunkie]

Originally Posted by CobysMom

Thanks for your post but I can't help but feel a little offended. First, every breeder has started at this point with a desire to breed. I do enjoy both of my yorkies as my children not just my pets. We have done our research on what we need to know and we aren't endangering them in any way. My question to you is, are you questioning all breeders in this manner? I am just another yorkie lover that wants to be able to provide other loving families with a companion that we have been blessed to have. I am not in any way going to be contributing to "overpopulation". The fact of me wanting to become a breeder was not the issue that I needed help with. Thanks for your post; however, it was not helpful to our situation.

Your problem's are BOTH dominance based.

He is protecting her, because he does not believe you are. Step up, and be the pack leader. You must control there feeding, sleeping, and breeding. Period.

I have 3 unaltered males, and 4 unaltered females. I am the boss! There is no random humping (when the girls are in heat... the boys are separated, from the girls, and each other) But if your female is not in heat, control your males behaviour. Say "NO" and give a touch or a tug, at the shoulder.

I am curious about why you would like to breed, as well. Yes, every breeder started at some point! Do you have a breeding mentor?

Good luck

[remus]

I understand both sides of this argument.
My Rocky is not neutered either. He is fine the way he is and we do not have any problems with him, he doesn;t hump or mark his territory inside the house. He is also fine outside.
I also wanted to get a little girl later on so she could keep Rocky company, we can have pups, but the pups we will have I want to share with my parents, sister and closest of friends.
Also, I don't see my pup as a pet but as my little kid, a friend, part of me. Pet is someone you leave in the car, tie to a hydrant, play when only good for you. I think a dog is a lot more than that. Not trying to offend anyone, just my outlook on that note.

In your situation, I would see if spaying the female, or neutering the male would benefit them both and you. And yes, you have to put you foot down and let them know who's the boss. I think tapping the nose gently and saying NO might work a bit.

Good luck and I hope it all works out.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by CobysMom

Thanks for your post but I can't help but feel a little offended. First, every breeder has started at this point with a desire to breed. I do enjoy both of my yorkies as my children not just my pets. We have done our research on what we need to know and we aren't endangering them in any way. My question to you is, are you questioning all breeders in this manner? I am just another yorkie lover that wants to be able to provide other loving families with a companion that we have been blessed to have. I am not in any way going to be contributing to "overpopulation". The fact of me wanting to become a breeder was not the issue that I needed help with. Thanks for your post; however, it was not helpful to our situation.

Sorry if I came across as rude, I didn't mean to. It just saddens me sooo much to see *so* many animals needing help in shelters yet people continue to breed their dogs. Yeah, every breeder starts somewhere but I think we have plenty of reputable Yorkie breeders in the US and really don't need anymore. You actually will be contributing to the pet over population so I don't know why you say you're not. Any time you bring puppies into the world, that's what happens... you're adding to the already overpopulated species, of whom about 5 million are put down already each year, a lot end up being euthanized from "breeders" who wanted to have puppies for the pure joy of it. There's always family members that want a puppy or friends... over half of the time, once the pups are here, they don't want them anymore. Then what will you do?

I'm generally not so outspoken but this issue is something that really bothers me and I feel strongly about. I only recently became aware of the huge problem and have done extensive research on shelters and puppy mills across America and realize what a huge dog overpopulation we have.... it's simply not necessary to add to it when you can find other already established reputable breeders out there, or go to your local shelter and find great dogs (yes, puppies, too!) I'm glad that you've done your research and like I said, I'm sorry if I offended you. I just feel it's something that needs to be put out there in the open and spread awareness about.

I, too, look at my yorkie like my child. I gave you my advice for your behavior issues and in my humble opinion, I do believe those issues will not stop without being spayed/neutered or having major control over them. Me personally... would never want to live with 2 dogs like that all the time. I'd rather have them as loving family members/pets and not worried all the time about mating. But I do agree with the 2 posters above about dominance issues, as well.

[remus]

As a side note.
Why not spay and neuter humans?? 6 billion is a big number, and we could shed a billion or two, cannt we?? Sure there are plenty of kids to adopt and we can all do with less competition. There are way too many unwanted kids, and unwanted people in this world.
Green house gases would go down, gas prices, prices for real estate, all of that would head down.
Why not stop reproduction of a human race for a change?

[CouversMom]

Originally Posted by remus

As a side note.
Why not spay and neuter humans?? 6 billion is a big number, and we could shed a billion or two, cannt we?? Sure there are plenty of kids to adopt and we can all do with less competition. There are way too many unwanted kids, and unwanted people in this world.
Green house gases would go down, gas prices, prices for real estate, all of that would head down.
Why not stop reproduction of a human race for a change?

This is not even an argument. WE domesticated animals, and we are the ones who caused the overpopulation of dogs for our benefit. We are the ones who need to make the change to keep dogs from being euthanized in shelters because there is no room for them. It is a problem we created, so we need to be the ones to fix it.

It is the mentality of the people who say "I just want my dog to have puppies for my close family members", "I just want my children to experience the miracle of childbirth" that are contributing to the death of millions of animals annually. Think about this before you try to compare dogs to people!

[CouversMom]

Originally Posted by remus

Also, I don't see my pup as a pet but as my little kid, a friend, part of me. Pet is someone you leave in the car, tie to a hydrant, play when only good for you. I think a dog is a lot more than that. Not trying to offend anyone, just my outlook on that note.

So are you saying that responsible pet owners do not value their pets?? Couver is my child, and I am offended that you are inferring that I do not love him as much as you simply because I chose to have him neutered.

I see this from a different angle; I would never want my dog to have to go through the painful and uncomfortable process of birthing puppies, so I choose to spay and neuter. I do not see my animals as breeding machines, so I get them fixed.

I am truly offended by this statement

[Britster]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

This is not even an argument. WE domesticated animals, and we are the ones who caused the overpopulation of dogs for our benefit. We are the ones who need to make the change to keep dogs from being euthanized in shelters because there is no room for them. It is a problem we created, so we need to be the ones to fix it.

It is the mentality of the people who say "I just want my dog to have puppies for my close family members", "I just want my children to experience the miracle of childbirth" that are contributing to the death of millions of animals annually. Think about this before you try to compare dogs to people!

Originally Posted by CouversMom

So are you saying that responsible pet owners do not value their pets?? Couver is my child, and I am offended that you are inferring that I do not love him as much as you simply because I chose to have him neutered.

I see this from a different angle; I would never want my dog to have to go through the painful and uncomfortable process of birthing puppies, so I choose to spay and neuter. I do not see my animals as breeding machines, so I get them fixed.

I am truly offended by this statement

[Dame]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

So are you saying that responsible pet owners do not value their pets?? Couver is my child, and I am offended that you are inferring that I do not love him as much as you simply because I chose to have him neutered.

I see this from a different angle; I would never want my dog to have to go through the painful and uncomfortable process of birthing puppies, so I choose to spay and neuter. I do not see my animals as breeding machines, so I get them fixed.

I am truly offended by this statement

This. Winston is neutered because I grew up with my parents fostering greyhounds, greyhounds who normally would have been euthanized. I've volunteered at animal shelters, I've seen hundreds of poor animals. I can't tell you how many purebred dogs I've seen be surrendered. MANY with AKC pedigrees and other things. Those dogs your two may father? You can't control what happens to them when they leave. Unless you keep them until they're old enough to be fixed - you can't prevent them from fathering more dogs. In six years, just ONE of those puppies can in the grand scheme of things create of 60 THOUSAND dogs when you figure in how many other dogs their puppies will potentially create. People's lives change, those loving puppies can end up on the street, be abused, become breeding machines. You never know - because you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Spaying or neutering your pet has NOTHING to do with how much you care. If anything - you can say its the opposite, because you can say "I care enough about you to make sure that no other dog has to unwilling live a short or cruel life by breeding you simply for my short benefit."

[CouversMom]

Originally Posted by Dame

"I care enough about you to make sure that no other dog has to unwilling live a short or cruel life by breeding you simply for my short benefit."

I couldn't agree with you any more!!

I wish more people realized this

[Dame]

Originally Posted by CobysMom

Hi Yorkie Family,

About a couple of weeks ago, I purchased a female yorkie as a new buddy for my male yorkie. He was unhappy to say the least. I am now happy to say that he started playing with her and loving on her! My husband and I were happy that they started getting along so well. I got a lot of helpful info from you guys to help him with his jealousy and I am hoping that you guys can help us with our new issues.

Now, my boy yorkie is SUPER over protective of our girl yorkie to the point that he is now biting those that try to come close to her. He has never had a problem with biting people or other dogs but now he does. He tried to bite my husband, my daughter, and one of my customers (he goes to the office with me). After he did it, he came around them with his head down like he was trying to apologize. Now I have to bring his cage and I hate putting him in there because he is used to having freedom. He is typically so well behaved. I know he is only trying to make sure she isn't hurt and I have tried showing him that they aren't going to hurt her.

Next, he loves playing with her and she loves playing with him but now he is trying to hump her. He hasn't been neutered because eventually I would like to breed. I tell him to stop when he starts to do that and he listens but I think when they start playing again it gets him in the mood

What can I do about both? We have crossed the hump of him being mean now he's a little too friendly to her and not so friendly to everyone else....

Help Please......Thanks

Honestly, I think this has a lot to do with you having two intact dogs. You have two options, you can either work of seriously training him and making him realize you are the pack and that your female isn't for him to be sexually interested in or you can neuter him which may easily stop both behavior problems. He is telling everyone that "she is MINE and you cannot touch." Neutering IMO would be your best option since the decrease in testosterone would lessen his aggression towards others and his humping behavior. (Another thing that if you don't quell now may continue in other circumstances for the rest of his life - neuter or not years from now.)

You do really need to stop and work on this now because the longer you let this go the more ingrained it will be and the harder it will be to stop. You may also need to realize that unless you handle this correctly (and realize that you may need to hire a professional trainer to assist you) it will continue to become more and more of a problem. Please reconsider his (or both dogs) attendance for you at work, because if he were to bite one of your co-workers that would be a very very serious incident. Not only could it mean a possible and probable lawsuit with you, but it can greatly impact his life depending on where you live (such as him having to be muzzled at all times when out of the house, being put down or undergoing training courses.)

As an aside, I understand your offended with the stance taken on your choice of breeding... but you have to understand this - we like you care a lotabout our animals and the breed. With the thousands of yorkie's that get put to sleep every year, it is often hard for us to hear of more and more yorkie's that get produced each year and adding to the 5-7 million dogs that get put to sleep each year (many many of them purebred.) We see the back yard breeders, the puppy millers who post adds all across the web. Even if you browse some of the listings here... its not necessarily unusual to see older puppies hanging around... all because there just aren't enough good homes to go around with the millions of dogs out there. Its hard seeing more and more dogs added to that list who really don't need to be - all when the reasoning is "I want to breed." You may have all of the best intentions but at the heart of the matter its just more dogs adding to the ever growing number of dogs without homes.

[capt_noonie]

Also, don't forget that spay/neuter cuts down on the chance of your dog getting different types of cancers.