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TLC · 10-12-2009, 10:49 AM

I really do not see any type of chastizing or lecturing, just the plain old truth and facts.

If the person that owns the female is already a "breeder" and wants to get into breeding Yorkies bc there aren't any good Yorkie breeders in your area, then she better start to learn and research her butt off regarding it, bc the fact that she was going to breed her 6 lb female to a 12 lb male is pretty darn irresponsible and IMO puts her right into the category that she is obviously trying to stay out of.

Best Wishes...

BamaFan121s · 10-12-2009, 10:54 AM

Simply put, yes, he is too big--for both the female you are using, and to be bred at all.

maggiesmom_2007 · 10-12-2009, 11:02 AM

I just want to add that It's not just the small Yorkies with health problems. If you look there are many posts with people that have sick dogs in all shapes and sizes. Personally I wouldn't use a 12 lb male on a female 1/2 his size. She could get seriously hurt. I think that although it may seem to you that others are jumping on you, they really aren't they are just trying to answer your question and give you advice. Sometimes we tend to read more into how the post is worded than the actual advice.

yorkie mad · 10-12-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not see any chastising or lectureing. Just people giving you honest answers. Is that NOT what you wanted?

If you did not want opinions, then you should not have asked for them. You should have said "I am goling to breed my 12 pound male and I don't want your opinions, I just want you all to tell me it is a good idea.

If your friend wants to start a line in your area, then she should look for a stud that is within the standards size range.

She will have a hard time selling the puppies if they have a 12 pound father.

There is nothing wrong with the bigger yorkies, except that MOST people want them in the standard size range. And if they buy a puppy expecting it to get to be 6 pounds, they are not happy if it ends up at 12 pounds.

Hollee · 10-12-2009, 01:06 PM

he is too big. She could get hurt, and plus, the babies may be too big for her and she could die or have serious problems while giving birth. I think that the males should always be smaller than the females, for this reason.

BIGBOYTRAVIS · 10-12-2009, 01:51 PM

YES that is way to big! I have a 16+ lb. boy and a 61/2 lb girl and when I first got her we took her to the vet to get shots and all the info. about getting her spayed and trust me the vet told us NOT to let him get a whole to her when she did go in heat because that can hurt her, it also can make her pregnacy very hard and of course labor to and last but not least the pups will probably be very big so you may not wanna do that.

Bad Idea

Blessed · 10-12-2009, 02:09 PM

Rachel,
Yes, he is too big. When my Maltese slipped under the fence duing a heat and came in 4 hours later all glassy eyed, I of course took her to the vet and he said "if the dog is too much bigger than her as the babies grow inside her they can actually split her open and kill her if they get too big. Now if she was bigger than you're boy, it would be fine and no worries.
Also, to register AKC Yorkshire Terriers, they need to fit inot the ACK standard of max weight of 7 pounds.

livingdustmops · 10-12-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rachel717

WOW! you guys really jump on someone when you do not know all the facts. 1- yes we had both dogs checked, both are dual registered and mine has a 4 generation pedigree including 3 AKC members in his line. 2- the area we live in does not have any good breeders, I traveled 6 hours to a registered breeder for my dog and the female is from a breeder in Germany 3- we are not breeding just to breed she runs a kennel and is trying to start a yorkie line in this area since there are none 4- I posted my question out of concern for both animals, if I wasn't concerned I would have held the female down and forced the breeding 5- I know that he is larger than the standard but he is exceptionally healthy other than his weight he meets every standard for AKC and he has a wonderful personality especially with kids. I would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people. I expected responses like yes he is probably too big or something similar- I was not prepared to be chastized and lectured for trying to do the right thing.

Your additional information is even more confusing to me.

Why did your friend get the female from Germany? Is this a Biewer or a Yorkie? Do you know that almost all kennels in Germany have Herpes...it is out of control in Europe.

Your friend wants to add another line..how many different breeds is she breeding? Are you stating the Yorkies would be raised in a kennel?

While Missouri is known as the puppy mill of America I do not see you and your friend doing any thing different if you want to put these two dogs together and then raise them in a kennel.

Having a healthy dog is just part of the equation but the size is a hugh problem in breeding for the betterment of the breed.

Doing the right thing is doing your homework and breeding for the betterment of the breed and staying within standard.

Sorry if all of this sounds tough but most of us here care very deeply for this breed and breeding responsibly is part of doing the right thing.

JeanieK · 10-12-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blessed

Rachel,
Yes, he is too big. When my Maltese slipped under the fence duing a heat and came in 4 hours later all glassy eyed, I of course took her to the vet and he said "if the dog is too much bigger than her as the babies grow inside her they can actually split her open and kill her if they get too big. Now if she was bigger than you're boy, it would be fine and no worries.
Also, to register AKC Yorkshire Terriers, they need to fit inot the ACK standard of max weight of 7 pounds.

Sorry but you are mistaken on this. They have to be within the YTCA standard to show. But any dog with 2 registered parents of the same breed, can be registered.

Amazing Yorkies · 10-12-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rachel717

WOW! you guys really jump on someone when you do not know all the facts. 1- yes we had both dogs checked, both are dual registered and mine has a 4 generation pedigree including 3 AKC members in his line. 2- the area we live in does not have any good breeders, I traveled 6 hours to a registered breeder for my dog and the female is from a breeder in Germany 3- we are not breeding just to breed she runs a kennel and is trying to start a yorkie line in this area since there are none 4- I posted my question out of concern for both animals, if I wasn't concerned I would have held the female down and forced the breeding 5- I know that he is larger than the standard but he is exceptionally healthy other than his weight he meets every standard for AKC and he has a wonderful personality especially with kids. I would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people. I expected responses like yes he is probably too big or something similar- I was not prepared to be chastized and lectured for trying to do the right thing.

I'm hoping you don't take this as chastizing or lecturing, but you hit a nerve when I saw where you were from. You didn't look too hard for good breeders in your area. I can't believe you drove 6 hours away when you're just 50 miles from Kansas City and some great YTCA Show Breeders, and I live 60 miles from you and there are 3 Show Breeders, including myself within that 60 miles, and 2 Breeders that I know with healthy, beautiful puppies right in your city. They don't Show, but are breeding to Standard.
Now, if you're like some of the calls I get, looking for full registration for $400.00, just in case you may want to have puppies for your relatives, or have your kids experience birth.. you may have to drive 6 hours for that.
The obvious problem of breeding your male to her female and the size difference aside... What birth weight background does your male have??? I would be concerned about what birthweight a bigger male might throw that would be very dangerous for the female.
It scares me that your friend wants to start a kennel for Yorkies, so that there are "good" Yorkies in your area, when she's starting out with a 12 lb male for stud. We should only use the best for our breeding, not just put a male and female together for puppies.. that's not becoming a good breeder, just adding to Missouri's problem.

CouversMom · 10-12-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

We should only use the best for our breeding, not just put a male and female together for puppies.. that's not becoming a good breeder, just adding to Missouri's problem.

Great post!!

capt_noonie · 10-12-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rachel717

WOW! you guys really jump on someone when you do not know all the facts. 1- yes we had both dogs checked, both are dual registered and mine has a 4 generation pedigree including 3 AKC members in his line. 2- the area we live in does not have any good breeders, I traveled 6 hours to a registered breeder for my dog and the female is from a breeder in Germany 3- we are not breeding just to breed she runs a kennel and is trying to start a yorkie line in this area since there are none 4- I posted my question out of concern for both animals, if I wasn't concerned I would have held the female down and forced the breeding 5- I know that he is larger than the standard but he is exceptionally healthy other than his weight he meets every standard for AKC and he has a wonderful personality especially with kids. I would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people. I expected responses like yes he is probably too big or something similar- I was not prepared to be chastized and lectured for trying to do the right thing.

How can a "perfect" dog be an "unhealthy, unhappy" dog? You have much learning and reading to do. And don't take that as an attack, that is a fact.

capt_noonie · 10-12-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not see any chastising or lectureing. Just people giving you honest answers. Is that NOT what you wanted?

If you did not want opinions, then you should not have asked for them. You should have said "I am goling to breed my 12 pound male and I don't want your opinions, I just want you all to tell me it is a good idea.

If your friend wants to start a line in your area, then she should look for a stud that is within the standards size range.

She will have a hard time selling the puppies if they have a 12 pound father.

There is nothing wrong with the bigger yorkies, except that MOST people want them in the standard size range. And if they buy a puppy expecting it to get to be 6 pounds, they are not happy if it ends up at 12 pounds.

This is sooo right. I don't know how many times I have heard people say "Well he was SUPPOSED to be a teacup!" The fact they even say teacup tells me they have NO IDEA! Poor things...

capt_noonie · 10-12-2009, 08:52 PM

And also she is just 3 posts in, so who knows???

Priscilla80 · 10-12-2009, 11:36 PM

Yes to big for her..
I have had myself a puppy and the guys said it was a small/standard size yorkie, but after a few weeks he was already way to heavy.. he is a beautifull dog and i love his personality.. but i wanted a standard size at that time and its pretty frustrating f the dog turns out way to big.. cause i couldnt travel with him .. or take him with me easily.. because he was to heavy ...

Also i think its very dangerous for the female..
the female is small compare to the male.. so you can imagine its getting pretty hard for her when it comes down to labor..

Sorry to say and i dont want to attack.. but i think its pretty dom to ask the question anyways..

And i think its also strange to say : "would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people."

Very weird thoughts..

But good luck anyways with finding another guy..
maybe you should see and post here to find a nice male who fits perfectly.

regards, Priscilla

10-12-2009, 10:49 AM	#16
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I really do not see any type of chastizing or lecturing, just the plain old truth and facts. If the person that owns the female is already a "breeder" and wants to get into breeding Yorkies bc there aren't any good Yorkie breeders in your area, then she better start to learn and research her butt off regarding it, bc the fact that she was going to breed her 6 lb female to a 12 lb male is pretty darn irresponsible and IMO puts her right into the category that she is obviously trying to stay out of. Best Wishes... __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

10-12-2009, 11:02 AM	#18
maggiesmom_2007 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,991 Blog Entries: 13	I just want to add that It's not just the small Yorkies with health problems. If you look there are many posts with people that have sick dogs in all shapes and sizes. Personally I wouldn't use a 12 lb male on a female 1/2 his size. She could get seriously hurt. I think that although it may seem to you that others are jumping on you, they really aren't they are just trying to answer your question and give you advice. Sometimes we tend to read more into how the post is worded than the actual advice. __________________ Lori, Friday, Olivia, Miranda , Chanel and Casey

10-12-2009, 01:06 PM	#20
Hollee ♥ Ella Belle ♥ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NM, United States Posts: 851	he is too big. She could get hurt, and plus, the babies may be too big for her and she could die or have serious problems while giving birth. I think that the males should always be smaller than the females, for this reason. __________________ Just me and Ella B

10-12-2009, 01:51 PM	#21
BIGBOYTRAVIS Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: virginia Posts: 39	YES that is way to big! I have a 16+ lb. boy and a 61/2 lb girl and when I first got her we took her to the vet to get shots and all the info. about getting her spayed and trust me the vet told us NOT to let him get a whole to her when she did go in heat because that can hurt her, it also can make her pregnacy very hard and of course labor to and last but not least the pups will probably be very big so you may not wanna do that. Bad Idea __________________ TWO YORKIES AND POODLE MOM!

10-12-2009, 02:09 PM	#22
Blessed Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 136	Rachel, Yes, he is too big. When my Maltese slipped under the fence duing a heat and came in 4 hours later all glassy eyed, I of course took her to the vet and he said "if the dog is too much bigger than her as the babies grow inside her they can actually split her open and kill her if they get too big. Now if she was bigger than you're boy, it would be fine and no worries. Also, to register AKC Yorkshire Terriers, they need to fit inot the ACK standard of max weight of 7 pounds. __________________ Happy Thanksgiving Cathleen, Shy'la & GiGi

10-12-2009, 10:54 AM	#17
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Simply put, yes, he is too big--for both the female you are using, and to be bred at all.

10-12-2009, 08:52 PM	#29
capt_noonie www.yorkierescue.com Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas & Orange County Posts: 17,408	And also she is just 3 posts in, so who knows??? __________________ The T.U.B. Pack! Toto, Uni, & Bindi RIP Lord Scrappington Montgomery McLimpybottom aka El Lenguo the Handicapped Ninja 10-12-12

10-12-2009, 11:36 PM	#30
Priscilla80 BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Hague(Den Haag)The Netherlands Posts: 370	Yes to big for her.. I have had myself a puppy and the guys said it was a small/standard size yorkie, but after a few weeks he was already way to heavy.. he is a beautifull dog and i love his personality.. but i wanted a standard size at that time and its pretty frustrating f the dog turns out way to big.. cause i couldnt travel with him .. or take him with me easily.. because he was to heavy ... Also i think its very dangerous for the female.. the female is small compare to the male.. so you can imagine its getting pretty hard for her when it comes down to labor.. Sorry to say and i dont want to attack.. but i think its pretty dom to ask the question anyways.. And i think its also strange to say : "would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people." Very weird thoughts.. But good luck anyways with finding another guy.. maybe you should see and post here to find a nice male who fits perfectly. regards, Priscilla