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FlDebra 09-10-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2795569)
The Me in Me wants to just simply say: I am 100% against any and all breed legislation. If we open the door to prejudice against any breed, we open it against ALL breeds.

Best Friends Society
has some great reading on BSL (breed specific legislation) and LOTS of info about Pitbulls (they are the charity that took in Michael Vick's Pitbulls and rehabilitated them w/ lots of TLC). :)

I used to think the same, and stuck up for the pits. It only took seeing the still ragged and horribly colored wounds of a child to change my mind. I have seen the wounds of a shark attack too and they looked a lot less sickening.

I don't envision there ever being a time when someone would want to spay and neuter all dogs. It is difficult enough to get legislature to spay and neuter known dangerous breeds that were started for the pure pleasure of watching them kill. But I am thankful there are some communities making it happen.

Wow -- I think this is the first time I have disagreed with you, Ann. But only respectfully so.

FlDebra 09-10-2009 07:52 PM

Here are a couple of facts that support the idea behind spay and neutering dangerous pit bull type dogs:

90% of fatal dog attacks are by dogs that have not been spayed/neutered: There is not a single case of a fatal dog attack by a spayed/neutered pit bull type dog (National Canine Research Council);

81% of dogs involved in bite incidents were not spayed/neutered (Texas 2002 Severe Animal Attack and Bite Surveillance Summary)

Just seems like it would be good common sense.

kalina82 09-11-2009 03:25 AM

You all know that i Love pits and don't want to see them banned. i'm for the breed 100%

It would be great if some sort of spay/neuter rule can be enforced on Pits and other potentially dangerous large breed dogs (Presas, Corsos and Filos to name a few - you wanna see scary, check these out:eek: they walk into a room and people actually run out sometimes). Unfortunately even if you get the "Pit Bull" breed to follow this rule what about all the Pit mixes. The one i posted a picture of is like a Pit/american bull/something mix. big pit looking dog that was probably just a giant whoops in the making. i rescued her as a tiny puppy from the shelter i worked at for my friend. Then there was a litter or 9 pups that came from a jack russle/beagle looking dog. 8 of them turned out to look like pits and i'm talking 50lbs and over (only 2 looked like beagles). i guess what i'm trying to say is that it would be impossible to spay/neuter all pits because of the mix factor.

BLowry 09-11-2009 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2795188)
To be totally honest I am afraid of them. They are a very powerful dog. I dont feel the need to have that powerful of a dog or have MY yorkies around one

I agree!

BLowry 09-11-2009 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2795439)
Yes, just as I suspected.....the OP is getting what they wanted. They came on, made the 2 posts here on 9/08, asking for a fight, got everything stirred up and now are probably safely watching with a smile, maybe even behind another member name. They haven't posted anything since.

It's okay. We have the Pitt Bull debate every few months anyway. But let's not get angry with each other and delight the originator. Let's just agree that there are two sides to the subject and we are okay to disagree.

My thoughts exactly!

megansmomma 09-11-2009 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2795439)
Yes, just as I suspected.....the OP is getting what they wanted. They came on, made the 2 posts here on 9/08, asking for a fight, got everything stirred up and now are probably safely watching with a smile, maybe even behind another member name. They haven't posted anything since.

It's okay. We have the Pitt Bull debate every few months anyway. But let's not get angry with each other and delight the originator. Let's just agree that there are two sides to the subject and we are okay to disagree.

I thought that too when not only did I see this but also the post by another "new" member 9/6 posted in this thread *post #7:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...s-graphic.html

Now take a look under the name of post #7 :banned: Makes me think that someone was trying to heat up the boards. :cool:

Dara311 09-11-2009 05:16 AM

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Here is Fiona and Honey- Honey is a lab/pit mix they get along great!
and also, Honey and Louie, the cat!

Princes mom 09-11-2009 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2795394)
that was a bit rude don't you think. it is a known fact that Pits ARE great with children. If you take a step back from your judgements and actually research the breed itself and not the opinions you will find that they are in fact great family pets. they are gentle with children and were once even known as Nanny Dogs.

a few facts:
-pits are great therapy dogs, search and rescue dogs, and bomb dogs. they are eager to please people and will do anything for them
-Petey from The little rascals was a pit
-the dog on little house on the prairie was a pit
-Helen Keller owned a pit
-The Pit Bull was America's mascot in both WWI and WWII
-There was a pit named Sgt. Stubby who became a war hero by saving his entire platoon and capturing a german spy while being wounded in action twice.
-Pit Bulls scored an 83.4% passing rate on the american temperament test. yorkies score an 82.1% (ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - ATTS Breed Statistics - page 1)

Here is a nice article on pitties. America's Nanny Dog - Times-Standard Online

No, actually, I don't feel I was rude. I have read several articles about pits being good family pets, and thousands of articles about them mauling or killing a family member or someone outside of their family.
Yes, pits were great dogs before people started being careless with breeding to acquire certain characteristics. The cases you stated were valid, but, most occured a long time ago.
Times have changed. People have changed. Years ago, pits were bred according to their standard; now, there is so much "back yard" breeding going on that you really don't know what you are getting. Very sad.

It is clearly not the dogs fault!!

I have had a very horrific experience with one of my former neighbor's family dog, and will never forget it. I do not judge all pits by that experience, but, that experience plus all of the weekly news reports about pits snapping, reminds me that the potential is always there. (Any dog can snap, understandably, but since this thread is about pits, I'm refering to pits).

Ok, this has brought back too many memories.

browniesmom622 09-11-2009 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Princes mom (Post 2796297)
No, actually, I don't feel I was rude. I have read several articles about pits being good family pets, and thousands of articles about them mauling or killing a family member or someone outside of their family.
Yes, pits were great dogs before people started being careless with breeding to acquire certain characteristics. The cases you stated were valid, but, most occured a long time ago.
Times have changed. People have changed. Years ago, pits were bred according to their standard; now, there is so much "back yard" breeding going on that you really don't know what you are getting. Very sad.

It is clearly not the dogs fault!!

I have had a very horrific experience with one of my former neighbor's family dog, and will never forget it. I do not judge all pits by that experience, but, that experience plus all of the weekly news reports about pits snapping, reminds me that the potential is always there. (Any dog can snap, understandably, but since this thread is about pits, I'm refering to pits).

Ok, this has brought back too many memories.

I have to agree with kalina82 You were rude.

Princes mom 09-11-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by browniesmom622 (Post 2796329)
I have to agree with kalina82 You were rude.

That's your opinion. So be it! You are entitled, and so am I.

FlDebra 09-11-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2796070)
You all know that i Love pits and don't want to see them banned. i'm for the breed 100%

It would be great if some sort of spay/neuter rule can be enforced on Pits and other potentially dangerous large breed dogs (Presas, Corsos and Filos to name a few - you wanna see scary, check these out:eek: they walk into a room and people actually run out sometimes). Unfortunately even if you get the "Pit Bull" breed to follow this rule what about all the Pit mixes. The one i posted a picture of is like a Pit/american bull/something mix. big pit looking dog that was probably just a giant whoops in the making. i rescued her as a tiny puppy from the shelter i worked at for my friend. Then there was a litter or 9 pups that came from a jack russle/beagle looking dog. 8 of them turned out to look like pits and i'm talking 50lbs and over (only 2 looked like beagles). i guess what i'm trying to say is that it would be impossible to spay/neuter all pits because of the mix factor.

It would not be an overnight fix. But if we could spay and neuter all of the pits, then pretty soon there would be no mixes either. It would be a multi-generational solution. Sure the mixes would still be around, but little by little they would be diluting the "kill factor" as no more pits would be available to breed back to them. Of course, you know I am always for spay and neutering ALL mixes anyway. There is no reason to allow mixes to continue to breed indiscriminately.

kalina82 09-11-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2796401)
It would not be an overnight fix. But if we could spay and neuter all of the pits, then pretty soon there would be no mixes either. It would be a multi-generational solution. Sure the mixes would still be around, but little by little they would be diluting the "kill factor" as no more pits would be available to breed back to them. Of course, you know I am always for spay and neutering ALL mixes anyway. There is no reason to allow mixes to continue to breed indiscriminately.

yeah it would take a long time to do but it is a good idea. Soon another breed will come along and be exploited like the pits. Before the pit bull, the bull terrier was the popular dog in the fighting ring. so i think eventually the pit will be replaced by something else which will be unfortunate for whatever breed that is. There are more powerful dogs out there then the pit just not as popular yet.

EverythingMiley 09-11-2009 02:56 PM

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I have the meanest baddest dog in town..weighting in at a whoppin 4.4lb...hereeeeesssss BISKIT....Yes folks..he has been known to drop several dogs that outweight him by 40 to 60 lb..We are taking names if any ofyou think your dog is bad enough to take this beast :D

annamalyssa 09-11-2009 03:44 PM

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I just have to say something...

I have been raised around the pit bull/am staff breed my entire life, with that being said... you start to gain an eye for the ones that are unstable. There are many warning signs that tell you when a dog should be put down or used for something other than a pet (protection training etc) The dog could be the best pet.. and very loyal BUT THERE WILL STILL BE WARNING SIGNS. It is up to the owner to RECOGNIZE those behaviors and do what is right for your family and for the dog.

We had a beloved family dog that was excellent with all of us, however, he was very protective when it came to other people in or around or home. We Finally made the decision when he was 1 yr. old to give him up to World Class K-9 where they trained him in protection and he became their #1 dog. He outdid all the old dogs that had been #1 for years in their care. I couldn't bare to put him down, but even the trainer said that if training failed he would put him down himself ( I am grateful it NEVER came to that) It broke out hearts to let him go, but we were so happy to see what he accomplished.

Anyhow my point is, most times the warning signs are ignored as people do not understand the damage a pit bull can do. They attribute it to their dog acting "naughty" or unruley. Until the day comes that the dog, that should never have been made a pet to begin with due to an unstable tempermant, does something that can never be reversed.

Also it is a MYTH that Pit Bulls have lock-jaw. It has been proven many times by experts and can easily be accessed on the internet if searched. There is no dog that has lock jaw. Pit Bulls just have very strong jaw muscles very simular to other mastiff type breeds and a will to keep holding on.

I love the APBT breed and will continue to love and raise them for as long as I live. However, THE BREED IS NOT FOR EVERYONE! and dog with unstable tempermants in their bloodline or unstable themselves should be put down.

APBT owners and Breeders NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE! and that is the bottom line.

I think people need to think before they speak, just like we all love our yorkies... us pit bull owners LOVE our Pit Bulls the same. I doubt any of you would be happy if we came here speaking of our yorkies like that.

Mikaella 10-05-2009 02:45 PM

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I hope I posted the pictures correctly...Daisy loves her 75 lb Pit Gambit...I feel that Daisy tends to get along with older dogs...at the end of the day it really depends on the dogs, and how they are introduced and take to eachother...Daisy is a pain in the bum, and harasses poor gambit all day...but at the end of the day, he misses her when she's not around...Horror Stories are real, but they are not the case for all...goodluck!!:p


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