HELP!! Need to breed my babies!!

[luvmyyorkie22]

Mardalin... Thank you for your input. I understand what your saying. I hope I didn't offend anyone when I said "I dont want to breed them to sell them, I could never give my babies off to a stranger". I got my dogs from breeders, who are very good people. I just could never do that. I want to have one litter to keep them whether its one or 4. I understand the risks, and everything that's involved. They are both virgins. I watched them carefully and noticed he is hitting his target, he is not getting in. Now, whether she isn't letting him in or not, I don't know. I can tell you he is non-stop on her. He will rest for about 10 minutes, then he's on again. It seems she is allowing it, since she moves her tail to the side. If this doesn't work, maybe i'll get them fixed and just go buy another dog. I just really wanted to have their offspring since they are such good dogs with health and everything else. Thanks again though.

[HERBS]

Good luck... It sounds as though you are trying to educate yourself on how what when where and why. That is a good thing in my book. I do suggest seeking out a breeder and if they have a litter about to be born, ask if you can watch the process. Typed words will never give you enough education without hands on experience.

[EverythingMiley]

Oh boy.....

[luvmyyorkie22]

Thanks Herbs. I have seen a few births with dogs, although not yorkies. I know it can be scary, I know my female's life could be at risk. It's funny bc I heard that dogs can get pregnant w/out being tied, Sugar did ejaculate, her rear end fur was all soaked (sorry so graphic). So, I guess theres that 0000.1% it could happen. I feel like some people on here are so mean, and they act as If i'm stupid and ignorant for doing this. I have a very reputable vet, as a matter of fact he goes on our local TV station here to take your questions. Plus he is a Vet to Hollywood in alot of movies, he gave me alot of good input and gave me the green light. I don't know maybe its just me, but some people on here seem stuck up and a know it all. Thanks again Herbs for being nice

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by luvmyyorkie22

Thanks Herbs. I have seen a few births with dogs, although not yorkies. I know it can be scary, I know my female's life could be at risk. It's funny bc I heard that dogs can get pregnant w/out being tied, Sugar did ejaculate, her rear end fur was all soaked (sorry so graphic). So, I guess theres that 0000.1% it could happen. I feel like some people on here are so mean, and they act as If i'm stupid and ignorant for doing this. I have a very reputable vet, as a matter of fact he goes on our local TV station here to take your questions. Plus he is a Vet to Hollywood in alot of movies, he gave me alot of good input and gave me the green light. I don't know maybe its just me, but some people on here seem stuck up and a know it all. Thanks again Herbs for being nice

I think you have it a bit twisted. Sure some seem "rude" but they are looking in the best interest of the dogs. You have not had experience because and yes you are learning which is great! But you can't just pick two dogs to have babies just because you feel like it. Alot of the breeders here go through alot of research, study and screening to breed pups. They don't do it because they just feel like having some dogs, they do it to improve the breed, show their dogs and so on. Not everybody will agree and I may not agree either but I do believe in educating yourself, doing health testing and learning BEFORE trying. I say if you want to do something do it RIGHT the first time or don't do it at all! Theres lots of homeless yorkies if your looking to add.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by luvmyyorkie22

Thanks Herbs. I have seen a few births with dogs, although not yorkies. I know it can be scary, I know my female's life could be at risk. It's funny bc I heard that dogs can get pregnant w/out being tied, Sugar did ejaculate, her rear end fur was all soaked (sorry so graphic). So, I guess theres that 0000.1% it could happen. I feel like some people on here are so mean, and they act as If i'm stupid and ignorant for doing this. I have a very reputable vet, as a matter of fact he goes on our local TV station here to take your questions. Plus he is a Vet to Hollywood in alot of movies, he gave me alot of good input and gave me the green light. I don't know maybe its just me, but some people on here seem stuck up and a know it all. Thanks again Herbs for being nice

I think that was a RUDE post. You even resorted to name calling. I can assure you that some that posted had to hold back a lot when typing to you. You asked for advice and people are trying to give it to you the best they can. Breeding "just to be doing it" is not recommended or wise.

Vets will give an okay for any two dogs to breed, they do not care or even know all of the different breed standards to see if two dogs are really right for each other. Just because a vet gets on the radio, and is vet to Hollywood (really all the way from MD??) does not make him an expert on which dogs should breed. It is good for the vet to run all of the blood tests that need to be done, check the female for physical ability to carry and deliver a litter, etc... but you should have two seasoned, experienced Yorkie breeders evaluate the dam and sire to see if they meet standard and compliment each other.

Just as others have said, it takes a LOT of research and study to be prepared to breed Yorkies. They are more complicated than many breeds due to their size and some of the health concerns. During the heat cycle is not really the time to start learning. Better to take a couple of years and really know what you are in for. It is a matter of doing the best service to your dogs as well as the breed itself.

For people to tell you these things does not make them stuck up, or know-it-alls -- just concerned -- more about the breed overall than about you making some babies for keeping. No one is saying you are stupid or ignorant, but I think many feel you are not making the best decision. Maybe from not being well-informed. Believe me, I was not well-informed either before I started my quest and I still have tons to learn. I hope to never stop learning!

Before I bred mine, I took a couple of years to study and learn. Thought I was well-prepared. I did understand, just as you have said, that I could lose my girl. She was a good healthy size too (6-6.5 lbs)and never a health problem. I had her and my sire evaluated and tested by the vet, had 2 breeders give their input and "thumbs up" to their mating. So, I thought I was covered. I really never thought it would happen to me. But on the third day after giving me a wonderful litter of 5, my girl died. I miss her so very much. I felt so guilty. She would be here with me now, if I had not wanted to be a breeder. So, be very sure, you are prepared to lose your girl. It really can and does happen.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I think that was a RUDE post. You even resorted to name calling. I can assure you that some that posted had to hold back a lot when typing to you. You asked for advice and people are trying to give it to you the best they can. Breeding "just to be doing it" is not recommended or wise.

Vets will give an okay for any two dogs to breed, they do not care or even know all of the different breed standards to see if two dogs are really right for each other. Just because a vet gets on the radio, and is vet to Hollywood (really all the way from MD??) does not make him an expert on which dogs should breed. It is good for the vet to run all of the blood tests that need to be done, check the female for physical ability to carry and deliver a litter, etc... but you should have two seasoned, experienced Yorkie breeders evaluate the dam and sire to see if they meet standard and compliment each other.

Just as others have said, it takes a LOT of research and study to be prepared to breed Yorkies. They are more complicated than many breeds due to their size and some of the health concerns. During the heat cycle is not really the time to start learning. Better to take a couple of years and really know what you are in for. It is a matter of doing the best service to your dogs as well as the breed itself.

For people to tell you these things does not make them stuck up, or know-it-alls -- just concerned -- more about the breed overall than about you making some babies for keeping. No one is saying you are stupid or ignorant, but I think many feel you are not making the best decision. Maybe from not being well-informed. Believe me, I was not well-informed either before I started my quest and I still have tons to learn. I hope to never stop learning!

Before I bred mine, I took a couple of years to study and learn. Thought I was well-prepared. I did understand, just as you have said, that I could lose my girl. She was a good healthy size too (6-6.5 lbs)and never a health problem. I had her and my sire evaluated and tested by the vet, had 2 breeders give their input and "thumbs up" to their mating. So, I thought I was covered. I really never thought it would happen to me. But on the third day after giving me a wonderful litter of 5, my girl died. I miss her so very much. I felt so guilty. She would be here with me now, if I had not wanted to be a breeder. So, be very sure, you are prepared to lose your girl. It really can and does happen.

Great post I'm going to step back now and let all of the YT breeders finish up here.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I think that was a RUDE post. You even resorted to name calling. I can assure you that some that posted had to hold back a lot when typing to you. You asked for advice and people are trying to give it to you the best they can. Breeding "just to be doing it" is not recommended or wise.

Vets will give an okay for any two dogs to breed, they do not care or even know all of the different breed standards to see if two dogs are really right for each other. Just because a vet gets on the radio, and is vet to Hollywood (really all the way from MD??) does not make him an expert on which dogs should breed. It is good for the vet to run all of the blood tests that need to be done, check the female for physical ability to carry and deliver a litter, etc... but you should have two seasoned, experienced Yorkie breeders evaluate the dam and sire to see if they meet standard and compliment each other.

Just as others have said, it takes a LOT of research and study to be prepared to breed Yorkies. They are more complicated than many breeds due to their size and some of the health concerns. During the heat cycle is not really the time to start learning. Better to take a couple of years and really know what you are in for. It is a matter of doing the best service to your dogs as well as the breed itself.

For people to tell you these things does not make them stuck up, or know-it-alls -- just concerned -- more about the breed overall than about you making some babies for keeping. No one is saying you are stupid or ignorant, but I think many feel you are not making the best decision. Maybe from not being well-informed. Believe me, I was not well-informed either before I started my quest and I still have tons to learn. I hope to never stop learning!

Before I bred mine, I took a couple of years to study and learn. Thought I was well-prepared. I did understand, just as you have said, that I could lose my girl. She was a good healthy size too (6-6.5 lbs)and never a health problem. I had her and my sire evaluated and tested by the vet, had 2 breeders give their input and "thumbs up" to their mating. So, I thought I was covered. I really never thought it would happen to me. But on the third day after giving me a wonderful litter of 5, my girl died. I miss her so very much. I felt so guilty. She would be here with me now, if I had not wanted to be a breeder. So, be very sure, you are prepared to lose your girl. It really can and does happen.

Once again you amaze me and how you've grown.......The school of hard knocks does it to you. There are several sayings that really fit you "Walk A Mile In My Shoes" and you did.....and "For The Grace Of God Go I"

I recently lost two puppies, and I never had, They were born premature; 1 within 24 hours the other at a week......Talk about heart wrenching...I did everything.....and when I couldn't save them...my breeder said to me....Mary, better now.....what if something was terribly wrong and it was discovered at 3, 4 or 6 months of age......

[red98vett]

No offense - but I'm sure what I'm saying will be taken that way ...but no one should be adding to the dog population just 'because'. There is no NEED to breed dogs - you should have said I WANT to breed.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by luvmyyorkie22

Thanks Herbs. I have seen a few births with dogs, although not yorkies. I know it can be scary, I know my female's life could be at risk. It's funny bc I heard that dogs can get pregnant w/out being tied, Sugar did ejaculate, her rear end fur was all soaked (sorry so graphic). So, I guess theres that 0000.1% it could happen. I feel like some people on here are so mean, and they act as If i'm stupid and ignorant for doing this. I have a very reputable vet, as a matter of fact he goes on our local TV station here to take your questions. Plus he is a Vet to Hollywood in alot of movies, he gave me alot of good input and gave me the green light. I don't know maybe its just me, but some people on here seem stuck up and a know it all. Thanks again Herbs for being nice

I know I was blunt in my last post and normally don't talk like that ....but you came here asking questions ...admit you have no idea how to go about your 'need to breed' and then jump on people who responded to you. I didn't see anyone being rude to you but your post in return was.

but thanks for the laugh about the 'hollywood' vet - you made me think of Michael Jackson and all his 'hollywood' doctors.

Everyone loves puppies and I'm sure we all at one time entertained the notion to breed our yorkies - that doesn't mean we should. It wouldn't hurt to listen to the people who actually have experience breeding....like Mardelin

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by red98vett

No offense - but I'm sure what I'm saying will be taken that way ...but no one should be adding to the dog population just 'because'. There is no NEED to breed dogs - you should have said I WANT to breed.

I have to agree with you on this one..There are way too many dogs in the world as it is..i wish we could focus on that for a bit..
I love reading your posts you r one of the few on here that disagrees with tact..educates without condeming..good job..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I know I was blunt in my last post and normally don't talk like that ....but you came here asking questions ...admit you have no idea how to go about your 'need to breed' and then jump on people who responded to you. I didn't see anyone being rude to you but your post in return was.

but thanks for the laugh about the 'hollywood' vet - you made me think of Michael Jackson and all his 'hollywood' doctors.

Everyone loves puppies and I'm sure we all at one time entertained the notion to breed our yorkies - that doesn't mean we should. It wouldn't hurt to listen to the people who actually have experience breeding....like Mardelin

Villette,

You go girl.....you've been absent for awhile....but, you've come back with a vengence....

Your hollywood vet statement is priceless......if one lived out here, they'd understand the hollywood types....

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I know I was blunt in my last post and normally don't talk like that ....but you came here asking questions ...admit you have no idea how to go about your 'need to breed' and then jump on people who responded to you. I didn't see anyone being rude to you but your post in return was.

but thanks for the laugh about the 'hollywood' vet - you made me think of Michael Jackson and all his 'hollywood' doctors.

Everyone loves puppies and I'm sure we all at one time entertained the notion to breed our yorkies - that doesn't mean we should. It wouldn't hurt to listen to the people who actually have experience breeding....like Mardelin

exactly what I thought of. and yes some people have held back when posting to this thread. I know I did. I posted a little but wanted to say oh so much more. i get so tired of coming on here and reading that people want to put two dogs together "just because".

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

but thanks for the laugh about the 'hollywood' vet - you made me think of Michael Jackson and all his 'hollywood' doctors.

And look at all the celebrities who go to pet stores for their puppies!

I don't think "Hollywood" is too educated about what constitutes a reputable breeder!

[kjcmsw]

I think (which means, like all posts here, in my opinion) once someone has made a decision to breed their dog, then that is their decision and their decision only. If they come on here and ask for advice regarding a particular aspect of breeding, either give the advice on that particular aspect of breeding or don’t. Going on and on with your opinion regarding whether they should adopt a dog from a rescue is nothing more than your opinion and does nothing to answer the request. Not everyone wants a “rescued” dog for a lot of different reasons, but reasons of their own. If you had a bad experience breeding your dog, after answering their particular question ask them if they’d like to hear your story. If they respond they would, then whatever benefit you hope your story will give them, then it might be perceived as well intentioned and taken into consideration.

I do think it’s appropriate when responding to the poster’s question to mention that genetic testing is important, but it is not appropriate to tell them, by way of assuming you are in a position to tell them, they should not breed their dog and advise them to get a dog from a rescue or other dog agency. Sadly, there are many abandoned dogs available, but that doesn’t mean that’s an option or even the desire for that particular person. If you want to get your dog from a rescue then do so, but don’t insist everyone does so. Choosing to breed your own healthy dog is just as noble as any “rescue”.

Many people have healthy, genetically sound dogs and would like to breed them to another healthy, genetically sound dog, and many of those people would like to breed their dog for no other reason than they want to. If their dog(s) are healthy and genetically sound then they have every right to breed their dog for their own personal reasons. Your reasons for not breeding your dog is your reason, and your decision alone, but that doesn’t necessarily apply to them.

Just like not everyone wanting a “rescue” dog, not everyone wants a “show dog”, as we all know “best in show” does not equate to “best in health”, particularly when once the show dog has served its purpose and is disposed of by selling off long before it’s been around long enough to see if some of those later-developing genetic disorders crop up. The fact that one or both of the dogs may not have an ancestor that ever placed in a show does not mean it is not of breeder quality and should not be breed. I have heard of people with healthy and genetically sound dogs (not Yorkies) being turned down by the owners of “show” studs because the female had no championships in her background. Those are the breeders, along with people that claim to “care about the betterment of the breed” end up doing the breed a disservice, as those intent on breeding then find the next available stud, which may not have been as genetically sound as the one they first wanted. I would suppose if a breeder has such a “great” dog, great in health, they’d want share it and actually contribute to the overall health of the breed.

For people that insist they care about the future health of the breed, once finding someone who would like to breed their healthy dog should encourage them to do so, as that is the only way to contribute to the breed’s overall health. All the trophies and ribbons in the world mean nothing compared to the health of the dog.

In my (humble) opinion, the best way to contribute to the overall health of the breed is to help those that are going to (not “if” or “maybe”) breed their dog by answering their question(s) and leave out the personal fodder for other posts. Let your expertise show by thoroughly answering the actual question asked.
KC