"Parti Yorkies" What's your opinion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm sure your little girl is priceless to you, but I think it's misleading to say that they are "rare." They are only "rare" because most breeders choose not to breed them, and believe that breeding to standard is important. Two Parti yorkies, can only produce parti yorkies, so how's that "rare"? Two parti yorkies cannot produce a standard yorkie. Many people believe that having a great example of the breed, and one that meets standard is really what's "rare." Furthermore, I hope people don't buy any dog for the "rareness" factor, dogs are living, breathing things that need so much time and attention, and once the novelty wears off, the dog still needs plenty of attention, unlike a coin you can keep in the drawer and show off to visitors occasionally.

I don't think they are rare any longer and the price is coming down. But on the other hand if someone spends $4000 on pet, they are not likely to abuse or neglect that pet.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't think they are rare any longer and the price is coming down. But on the other hand if someone spends $4000 on pet, they are not likely to abuse or neglect that pet.

If thats true what about MicheaL Vick? I dont agree with that but I think it is an excuse some breeders use to charge really high amounts

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I believe in breeding to standard, BUT think it's ok to have whatever dog you like, you implied, I didn't think that was ok. I'm bothered by the breeding of Partis because I consider them to be "one trait" breeders, unlike with Biewers who some of the breeders are actually breeding to their club's standard. I'm a not in favor of any breeder, no matter what they are breeding, to breed willy-nilly just to sell puppies, they should have a goal and purpose in mind besides marketing puppies.

Nancy, I really believe that you truely believe that it is the money, that drives the parti breeders. But I can tell you that, it is not the case with most of the breeders that I know.

Health and temperament come first. Yes we are breeding for the color, but so are show breeders breeding for the blue and tan.

And the same can be said of many show breeders, the only thing that matters to some show breeders is to get that ribbon. They don't care what is going on, on the inside, as long as they meet the standards on the outside.

My goal is to breed healthy, good tempered partis under 7 pounds with a nice coat.

To this day I have gotten 1 golden parti and I certainly did not get rich off of him.

Most of us parti breeders are just getting started so we have not had the time to even get our programs established.

The standard that the YTCA has set, is for the purpose of judging, so the judges have something to go by. That does not mean that any dog that does not meet that standard is not worthy of reproducing. It just means they do not meet the standards set for judging.

We parti breeders are just as passionate about the yorkies as the show breeders. We just do not believe that a natural part of the YT makeup should be bred out of them as long as it does not interfere with the health of the dog.

The YTCA did not create the yorkie, they just set the standard for their club, just as any club sets their own rules, it is their club, they can do what they want.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by chachi

If thats true what about MicheaL Vick? I dont agree with that but I think it is an excuse some breeders use to charge really high amounts

No it is not an excuse that any breeder that I know uses. I have no idea what Michael Vick paid for his dogs. I have no idea how that even fits into this nice friendly discussion about Biewers and Partis, their difference and their origins.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

No it is not an excuse that any breeder that I know uses. I have no idea what Michael Vick paid for his dogs. I have no idea how that even fits into this nice friendly discussion about Biewers and Partis, their difference and their origins.

Your the one that brought it into the discussion when you said that people who pay $4000 are less likely to abuse the dog which I dont agree with. That implies the more money you make the better owner you are which I also dont agree with

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by chachi

Your the one that brought it into the discussion when you said that people who pay $4000 are less likely to abuse the dog which I dont agree with. That implies the more money you make the better owner you are which I also dont agree with

It implies nothing of the sort. It implies that people who spend $4000 on a dog are not likely to neglect or abuse the dog. Period. It says nothing about the seller, only the buyer.

Now let use allow this nice friendly discussion about the Biewers and Partis, their differences and their origins to continues in a nice friendly manner.

[scrapindee]

This has been a very interesting discussion.

I believe the information about the genetics seminar will be posted shortly. I am looking forward to attending it too.

[Delightyorkies]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Mrs. Biewer is an older lady and from any of the research we have done it was Mr. Biewer who was the breeder and who showed the dogs. There is not one picture of her in the ring. Somewhere I read where she said she washed the dogs.

After his death she got rid of all the dogs which makes a big statement to me. If this was her passion she would not have done this. Also how many breeders have both the husband and the wife involved. In fact that would be a good poll question here on YT but I have read enough breeders here say, their spouse will help but they are not the breeder.

The BTCA does a great job in marketing their breed of dog and fooling the public but just because Mrs. Biewer belongs to their club doesn't mean a thing.

Cindy maybe you can explain how the BTCA is fooling the public.You have never had any contact with Mrs. Biewer and yet you feel that you are entitled to judge her involvement in this breed.I find that extremely amusing coming from somebody, that for years now, is posting all the wisdom about Biewer breeding even so you never bothered to breed one yourself.Not only is Mrs. Biewer a member of the BTCA ,she has shared with the BTCA all the original documentation of past breeding,studbooks ,dogs involved and the direction Mr. Biewer was going to take.None of which you and yours will ever have a glimpse of.To degrade one of the founders of this Breed to a dogwasher really shows the disrespect all of us had to endure from people like you .Why don't you tell people the truth about the personal vendetta you been fueling for years and the misleading direction of the clubs you are supporting.

[Breezeaway]

Ahh come on now , Lets all play nice. I have a question, Who had the DNA testing done on the Parti's? Was it Gloria or someone else? How long did it take? Anyone?

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

Cindy maybe you can explain how the BTCA is fooling the public.You have never had any contact with Mrs. Biewer and yet you feel that you are entitled to judge her involvement in this breed.I find that extremely amusing coming from somebody, that for years now, is posting all the wisdom about Biewer breeding even so you never bothered to breed one yourself.Not only is Mrs. Biewer a member of the BTCA ,she has shared with the BTCA all the original documentation of past breeding,studbooks ,dogs involved and the direction Mr. Biewer was going to take.None of which you and yours will ever have a glimpse of.To degrade one of the founders of this Breed to a dogwasher really shows the disrespect all of us had to endure from people like you .Why don't you tell people the truth about the personal vendetta you been fueling for years and the misleading direction of the clubs you are supporting.

HaHa...I don't breed so I can't have an opinion even if I sit on a Biewer Board...what kind of idiot logic is that. You may breed but how many times have you been in a showring the last 6 years. You were breeding dogs and not one judge had looked at the quality of dogs you had...but you sure had an opinion on what was a show quality dogs. I have the right to my opinion on the Biewers and frankly my dear I really don't care what you have since all you care about is your rush to AKC even if it kills dogs. You say the Biewers protected these dogs...Who then bred all these different dogs that you say make up the Biewer Terrier? Was it done in Germany or here in the U.S.? I will give you guys credit because you do a great job of marketing...but putting the real facts out there...haven't seen it yet.

Oh and I think you just made a big mistake..."she has shared with the BTCA all the original documentation of past breeding,studbooks ,dogs involved and the direction Mr. Biewer was going to take. Since it was his direction and not her's then this tells me she was not the breeder either.

For the record I will always have a problem with breeders that keep their dogs outside in coops, I will always have a problem with someone who bred mixed breed dogs and now is an expert on Biewers, I will always have a problem with someone that says they are rescue when they were not. I will always have a problem when clubs have puppymill members.

Oh and one more thing ... you earn respect by your actions...not your words.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

If the word "rare" bothers some people. Would it be more appropriate to say.."hard to find?" or "very few". Or how about "not too many campared to the traditional yorkie?"

Bottom line...there are not a lot of them...compared to the traditional yorkie. That makes them rare or harder to find whether we like it or not. We who have the parti's best interest at heart cannot be continuoulsly faulted for those who claim the parti is rare. That would be like blaming the responsible breeder's for the tea cup term.
I will admit to the fact...I did not buy my parti's because I considered them rare. I purchased them because I LOVE the tri yorkie...be it yorkie or Biewer.

Exactly

[Britster]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It implies nothing of the sort. It implies that people who spend $4000 on a dog are not likely to neglect or abuse the dog. Period. It says nothing about the seller, only the buyer.

Now let use allow this nice friendly discussion about the Biewers and Partis, their differences and their origins to continues in a nice friendly manner.

I have to say, I don't agree with this. Just because someone is willing to shell out $4000 on a dog doesn't mean the dog will be happy or live a good life. Sure, the dog may be pampered, dressed up and toted around like an accessory if you're paying that kind of money for a dog. But that is NOT a dog's life and the dog will not be fulfilled. The typical pet owners who cannot afford to shell out over $1000 typically make the BEST pet owners in my opinion. My uncle is rich, he will buy his kids anything they want. They asked for a dog, he got a "Bernepoodle" (Bernese mountain dog/poodle) that was REALLY expensive. The dog is totally under exercised, misbehaved, doesn't get to live a "good" life from his perspective even though he's living in 12,000 sq. foot house with an elevator, 3 kids and all of the above. My uncle can easily afford a $4000 dog, but that does NOT make him a "good" dog owner, even though the dog is not technically being neglected or abused. I personally don't think I would ever spend over $800 on a dog.

On the topic at hand, I think Parti's and Biewers are beautiful and I'd love to own a Biewer one day. I think there is nothing wrong with the breed and every dog breed starts somewhere!

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Ahh come on now , Lets all play nice. I have a question, Who had the DNA testing done on the Parti's? Was it Gloria or someone else? How long did it take? Anyone?

Deb, it's my understanding that all of the legwork with DNAing the partis was done by Loryn and Alex. I can double-check this with Loryn, though. But I do not believe that Gloria was not involved in this aspect of it...but I will ask.

Tammy

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Deb, it's my understanding that all of the legwork with DNAing the partis was done by Loryn and Alex. I can double-check this with Loryn, though. But I do not believe that Gloria was not involved in this aspect of it...but I will ask.

Tammy

Tammy can you also ask the actual date time frame? Thanks..

It would also be interesting on her take about the Parti's and the Biewers being the same dog...

[Breezeaway]

I have posted my findings on the webpage. You can see it here