"Parti Yorkies" What's your opinion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have found that the parti never showed up in the Nikkos line until 2 certain dogs were bred together that resulted in the parti color, and that is because they both carried the streamglen line. It never showed until they bred those 2 dogs. Once they were mated together and they carried that same gene , they got Parti's. Isn't research fascinating.

Yes it is

Good Job.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have found that the parti never showed up in the Nikkos line until 2 certain dogs were bred together that resulted in the parti color, and that is because they both carried the streamglen line. It never showed until they bred those 2 dogs. Once they were mated together and they carried that same gene , they got Parti's. Isn't research fascinating.

Great research info and thanks so much for the Ped.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have found that the parti never showed up in the Nikkos line until 2 certain dogs were bred together that resulted in the parti color, and that is because they both carried the streamglen line. It never showed until they bred those 2 dogs. Once they were mated together and they carried that same gene , they got Parti's. Isn't research fascinating.

Great job, Deb!!

[vreyes]

Originally Posted by JennyLeroux http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
the prices are based on demand

This post reminds me of my experience with rare coins. In 1912 the US Mint commissioned a new design for the 1913 nickel. A Mint employee minted 5 1913 nickels with the old 1912 design. The five nickels were declared illegal tender and therefore illegal to own. Decades later three of the five coins had been documented as pieces in coin collections around the world, which left two unaccounted. Soon after the statute of limitations had expired, an unknown seller sold number four of the original five for over 1 million dollars. Two years later the fifth and final 1913 V Nickel sold for over 3 million dollars.

My point is that most people are intrigued by rarities, no matter the cost. Parti and Chocolate Parti Yorkies are rare, which in turn drives the price up. If an individual is willing to spend 3 million dollars on a nickel, then there are many who would spend four thousand plus on a "rare" breed of Yorkshire Terriers.

Because our Sophie comes from a line of Parti and Chocolate Parti Yorkies (and carries genes for both), I may be a little defensive. Our only hope was to adopt a YORKIE and make her a member of the family. Because she carries these genes does not make her any more valuable, to us she is PRICELESS!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by vreyes

Originally Posted by JennyLeroux http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
the prices are based on demand

This post reminds me of my experience with rare coins. In 1912 the US Mint commissioned a new design for the 1913 nickel. A Mint employee minted 5 1913 nickels with the old 1912 design. The five nickels were declared illegal tender and therefore illegal to own. Decades later three of the five coins had been documented as pieces in coin collections around the world, which left two unaccounted. Soon after the statute of limitations had expired, an unknown seller sold number four of the original five for over 1 million dollars. Two years later the fifth and final 1913 V Nickel sold for over 3 million dollars.

My point is that most people are intrigued by rarities, no matter the cost. Parti and Chocolate Parti Yorkies are rare, which in turn drives the price up. If an individual is willing to spend 3 million dollars on a nickel, then there are many who would spend four thousand plus on a "rare" breed of Yorkshire Terriers.

Because our Sophie comes from a line of Parti and Chocolate Parti Yorkies (and carries genes for both), I may be a little defensive. Our only hope was to adopt a YORKIE and make her a member of the family. Because she carries these genes does not make her any more valuable, to us she is PRICELESS!

I'm sure your little girl is priceless to you, but I think it's misleading to say that they are "rare." They are only "rare" because most breeders choose not to breed them, and believe that breeding to standard is important. Two Parti yorkies, can only produce parti yorkies, so how's that "rare"? Two parti yorkies cannot produce a standard yorkie. Many people believe that having a great example of the breed, and one that meets standard is really what's "rare." Furthermore, I hope people don't buy any dog for the "rareness" factor, dogs are living, breathing things that need so much time and attention, and once the novelty wears off, the dog still needs plenty of attention, unlike a coin you can keep in the drawer and show off to visitors occasionally.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm sure your little girl is priceless to you, but I think it's misleading to say that they are "rare." They are only "rare" because most breeders choose not to breed them, and believe that breeding to standard is important. Two Parti yorkies, can only produce parti yorkies, so how's that "rare"? Two parti yorkies cannot produce a standard yorkie. Many people believe that having a great example of the breed, and one that meets standard is really what's "rare." Furthermore, I hope people don't buy any dog for the "rareness" factor, dogs are living, breathing things that need so much time and attention, and once the novelty wears off, the dog still needs plenty of attention, unlike a coin you can keep in the drawer and show off to visitors occasionally.

If the word "rare" bothers some people. Would it be more appropriate to say.."hard to find?" or "very few". Or how about "not too many campared to the traditional yorkie?"

Bottom line...there are not a lot of them...compared to the traditional yorkie. That makes them rare or harder to find whether we like it or not. We who have the parti's best interest at heart cannot be continuoulsly faulted for those who claim the parti is rare. That would be like blaming the responsible breeder's for the tea cup term.
I will admit to the fact...I did not buy my parti's because I considered them rare. I purchased them because I LOVE the tri yorkie...be it yorkie or Biewer.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by KaylaB

I read earlier post about Mrs. Biewer. I just came across a website Biewer Terriers from Pruett's Puppy Paradise that states that Mrs. Biewer is an honorary member of the BTCA. I guess that she would have had to be involved in the breeding program after her husbands death. She may have just downsized?

Mrs. Biewer is an older lady and from any of the research we have done it was Mr. Biewer who was the breeder and who showed the dogs. There is not one picture of her in the ring. Somewhere I read where she said she washed the dogs.

After his death she got rid of all the dogs which makes a big statement to me. If this was her passion she would not have done this. Also how many breeders have both the husband and the wife involved. In fact that would be a good poll question here on YT but I have read enough breeders here say, their spouse will help but they are not the breeder.

The BTCA does a great job in marketing their breed of dog and fooling the public but just because Mrs. Biewer belongs to their club doesn't mean a thing.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

They are only "rare" because most breeders choose not to breed them, and believe that breeding to standard is important.

Sorry but I don't believe this statement. I think you do have a very small group of Yorkie breeders who do believe in breeding to the standard but I am guessing a very high percentile will breed just about anything and the Parti's were to expensive for them.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Parti's are not allowed to be shown in confirmation.

Biewers are shown as a bred of their own in the toy class. In group they compete against other toy breeds....such as a standard yorkie.

I guess I didn't answer the registry question. Three generation pedigrees must be provided to register a biewer with any of the American Biewer Registries and I know BBIR will not register a parti yorkie.

Parti's can be shown with IABCA. Raymond Antonucci showed his Parti at a show I was attending and he was in the ring with Yorkies.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces

On the subject of open vs closed stud books, , there are Dalmatian breeders who want to reopen the stud book to allow Dalmatians who were crossbred generations (1970's) back to a pointer. This was done to eliminate certain Dal health problems - the controversy being breed purity vs. health concerns. I can see where widening the gene pool is necessary and it is a fine line between too narrow and wide enough...

I think it is a sad day in he$$ when we take confirmation over health. I know in England they are looking at opening some of the stud books as some believe you need 99 generations before you close a stud book. I am guessing you have also read all the articles out of Crufts and what happened over there.

The problem with the Biewers as I see it is that when you are only breeding Biewer to Biewer you are saying the studbook is closed...we don't have enough generations IMHO to do this. It will slowly kill off the dog when you don't have a large enough gene pool. We don't even know the COE on these dogs. Besides the problem with inbreeding/linebreeding and the results with health issues (LS and auto-immune) eventually the litters will keep getting smaller and smaller until the dogs cannot produce anymore.

[vreyes]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm sure your little girl is priceless to you, but I think it's misleading to say that they are "rare." They are only "rare" because most breeders choose not to breed them, and believe that breeding to standard is important. Two Parti yorkies, can only produce parti yorkies, so how's that "rare"? Two parti yorkies cannot produce a standard yorkie. Many people believe that having a great example of the breed, and one that meets standard is really what's "rare." Furthermore, I hope people don't buy any dog for the "rareness" factor, dogs are living, breathing things that need so much time and attention, and once the novelty wears off, the dog still needs plenty of attention, unlike a coin you can keep in the drawer and show off to visitors occasionally.

Wow, I didn't expect to be chastised. Just so that everyone is clear. I did not even know of the Yorkshire Terrier until Sep 2008. While staying with a family during hurricane evacuation, we also had the pleasure of keeping company with 3 Yorkies. I've never had a canine family member. My daughter fell in love and I was extremely impressed with the little furballs. I started to research the Yorkie and our choices of where we could adopt, ruling out Puppy Mills, Pet Stores and Backyard Breeders. By word of mouth I was introduced to someone who has six Yorkies, all of whom are her family and extremely loved. Two years ago one of her girls had a white puppy in her litter of 3. The vet suggested that the puppy be put down because it would likely be deaf and blind. She was determined to help the pup along. She researched and found that her two Yorkies that mated carry the Parti and Chocolate genes, which is how she has this little white Yorkshire Terrier. I was not in the market for a "rare" breed of Yorkie. I just wanted to bring one home that was healthy, well cared for, happy and most of all I wanted to make sure that I was not contributing to unreputable breeders. I believe that I achieved those goals and now we are blessed with this little spunky, furry wad of love that has enriched our home and lives.

I know nothing about breeding nor do I plan to even delve into the subject. My post was simply to point out that the cost of something will decided on the demand. I also simply wanted to join in the discussion with others who were familiar with the Parti gene just as I would join in a discussion about training, grooming, etc. However, in the future, I think I may avoid the "hot button topics".

Oh and I doubt seriously if someone who can spend THREE MILLION DOLLARS on one coin has it stowed away in a drawer. My guess would be that it is displayed with the rest of his collection in a beautifully secured, climate controlled case in the Library of his home.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by vreyes

Wow, I didn't expect to be chastised. Just so that everyone is clear. I did not even know of the Yorkshire Terrier until Sep 2008. While staying with a family during hurricane evacuation, we also had the pleasure of keeping company with 3 Yorkies. I've never had a canine family member. My daughter fell in love and I was extremely impressed with the little furballs. I started to research the Yorkie and our choices of where we could adopt, ruling out Puppy Mills, Pet Stores and Backyard Breeders. By word of mouth I was introduced to someone who has six Yorkies, all of whom are her family and extremely loved. Two years ago one of her girls had a white puppy in her litter of 3. The vet suggested that the puppy be put down because it would likely be deaf and blind. She was determined to help the pup along. She researched and found that her two Yorkies that mated carry the Parti and Chocolate genes, which is how she has this little white Yorkshire Terrier. I was not in the market for a "rare" breed of Yorkie. I just wanted to bring one home that was healthy, well cared for, happy and most of all I wanted to make sure that I was not contributing to unreputable breeders. I believe that I achieved those goals and now we are blessed with this little spunky, furry wad of love that has enriched our home and lives.

I know nothing about breeding nor do I plan to even delve into the subject. My post was simply to point out that the cost of something will decided on the demand. I also simply wanted to join in the discussion with others who were familiar with the Parti gene just as I would join in a discussion about training, grooming, etc. However, in the future, I think I may avoid the "hot button topics".

Oh and I doubt seriously if someone who can spend THREE MILLION DOLLARS on one coin has it stowed away in a drawer. My guess would be that it is displayed with the rest of his collection in a beautifully secured, climate controlled case in the Library of his home.

It is okay and Nancy is not picking on you. She believes very deeply in a standard Yorkie while others of us believe it is okay to have Parti's and Biewers. This debate has been going on for a long time and I know for the Biewers since 2003.

You will see any one of us involved in rescue get passionate about this issue and then the breeders get upset because it would appear we don't like breeders.

It is hard on the internet to make statements without hurting feelings when really people are not trying to do that but state their opinions.

Please enjoy your little one and understand it is so much better that people really do care about these wonderful dogs....and seriously I am the only one right...hahaha..

[MI Yorkielover]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Please enjoy your little one and understand it is so much better that people really do care about these wonderful dogs....and seriously I am the only one right...hahaha..

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

It is okay and Nancy is not picking on you. She believes very deeply in a standard Yorkie while others of us believe it is okay to have Parti's and Biewers. This debate has been going on for a long time and I know for the Biewers since 2003.

You will see any one of us involved in rescue get passionate about this issue and then the breeders get upset because it would appear we don't like breeders.

It is hard on the internet to make statements without hurting feelings when really people are not trying to do that but state their opinions.

Please enjoy your little one and understand it is so much better that people really do care about these wonderful dogs....and seriously I am the only one right...hahaha..

I believe in breeding to standard, BUT think it's ok to have whatever dog you like, you implied, I didn't think that was ok. I'm bothered by the breeding of Partis because I consider them to be "one trait" breeders, unlike with Biewers who some of the breeders are actually breeding to their club's standard. I'm a not in favor of any breeder, no matter what they are breeding, to breed willy-nilly just to sell puppies, they should have a goal and purpose in mind besides marketing puppies.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I believe in breeding to standard, BUT think it's ok to have whatever dog you like, you implied, I didn't think that was ok. I'm bothered by the breeding of Partis because I consider them to be "one trait" breeders, unlike with Biewers who some of the breeders are actually breeding to their club's standard. I'm a not in favor of any breeder, no matter what they are breeding, to breed willy-nilly just to sell puppies, they should have a goal and purpose in mind besides marketing puppies.

I don't see where I said that at all? You hurt this person by your comments and I was just trying to make her understand about your passion about the standard. I think she can understand your feelings on the puppies.

One trait breeders....What does this mean? Don't be fooled by the breeding to standard of the Biewers. Which standard? Sure they strive for size, topline, teeth etc but some end up with 3 color head and some with 2 color head and many don't have any idea how this happens. There are breeders breeding to the "standard" who's dogs still have hugh ears because they don't understand how to bring the ears down in size. The majority of the breeders are just looking at two dogs and hoping they will have pretty babies. In the Biewer world I think it is very important to show your dogs so that judges can help educate breeders to confimation and for Biewer breeders to get toether to touch each others dogs. This is a new variation and we are just now seeing the stamp of some of the top Biewers (Homer as am example and you should see his son Huey) in their puppies.

IMHO no one should be breeding period unless it is for the health of the dog.