"Parti Yorkies" What's your opinion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley has both Streamglen and Wildweir ancestors

That is interesting. It has never been brought up before. then it seems to methat it would have had to have been in the Wildweir line also. If so, then where did theirs come from?

Where are you locating this information?

[Breezeaway]

I have Rolls royce ashley's 4 generation akc pedigree

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have Rolls royce ashley's 4 generation akc pedigree

I think I need to get that. So do the Nikko dogs trace back to Streamglen or do the wildweir ones? Or have you not gone back that far?

[3FurryFaces]

breezeaway, I have been trying to read the parti histiory on your site, but, the right side of the screen is not visible, even though I have tried it on 2 different computers and there is no slider bar to scroll left to right. Does the info appear elsewhere?

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces

breezeaway, I have been trying to read the parti histiory on your site, but, the right side of the screen is not visible, even though I have tried it on 2 different computers and there is no slider bar to scroll left to right. Does the info appear elsewhere?

Your browser may need updating....and here's the source of the info.

History - Pine Haven Yorkies

[Breezeaway]

the topside goes back to streamglen and the bottom goes to wildweir, From there it goes back to Murose Storm on both top and bottom lines. Im still reseaching for as far back as I can go. Nikkos Fire Goddess was out of Ch Wildweir None so Fair

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I guess you'll get lots of different opinions on this, my view is that Partis and Biewers are different, and I'm personally opposed to people breeding the two together, and selling them for whatever they can market them for. Biewers may (or may not) have started out Parti's, but Mr. Biewer took it a step further, and began interbreeding these dogs, he has a purpose and a goal in mind, and seemed to have a real vision for what he thought was a new breed. Another thing, many people have noted is that the personalities of the Biewers seem much different than the traditional yorkie, and many people say that the Biewer is a much mellower type of dog. I think many people don't understand that scientists have not cracked the genetic code yet, it's a very painstaking process, just the fact that a single dog has billions of bases, building blocks of the genome, and these DNA labs only look at a few hundred makes me think it will be several years before we have any real understanding of breed differences.

The Biewer was the result of two "supposed" purebred Yorkies that carried the pie-bald gene. Same can be said concerning the Parti Yorkie. In fact...they supposedly came from the same kennel in England.

The Biewer has from the beginning...and is still to this day...bred to the yorkie in it's home country. It wasn't until American breeders got a hold of it that it is now considered (depending on which U.S. club you talk too) a mixed breed or something that evolved from the Biewer Yorkshire in that last 6 years.

Mr Biewer considered his dogs to be tri colored yorkies. Hense the name he gave them...Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom-Pon.

When my Biewer yorkie girl came into season last July...I had a choice between a few Biewer yorkie studs in my area or use my parti stud. Not one of the Biewer studs had any health testing, nor had, IMO...the qualities my Parti male has.
My Parti male has a normal bile acid test, OFA patella's, good scissors bite, cerf tested, gorgeous coat, nice size, good conformation, and he is stunning! And since my club and registry (IBC) has not closed the stud book and still allows the Biewer to be bred back to the yorkie...I have every right to breed my Parti to my Biewer female and still call them Biewers. At least this way...I bypassed the splitter stage...and I have a nice outcross litter of Biewers in my 1st generation of a new Biewer line.

And I can assure you...my two Parti sired Biewer pups will not be sold on the market for "whatever I can get". If either are not breeding and show quality...they will be placed at reasonable prices to good pet homes.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I have not studied Crownridge Partis, nor did I mean to imply they are not Yorkies, I have no idea what caused the effect, but I believe in breeding to standard, whatever standard you are following. I'm not even sure how AKC determines a new breed, scientists estimate that virtually all domesticated breeds are 99.9% similar on the DNA level. I do agree with you on the matter that Mrs. Biewer didn't seemed that involved with her husbands work/hobby. I was just offering my opinion that the Parti and the Biewer seem like different dogs, and I don't think they should be breed together, I believe this is a shortcut some breeders are taking.

Why is it a shortcut, when my German breed club still believes it is the same dog, still allows the breedings and still registers the resulting puppies?

[Breezeaway]

I bet they are just beautiful puppies.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

All I know is in my research the partis and the biewers both go back to Streamglen and because most yorkies have Wildweir in their lines because they were a famous line you see it in the partis and Biewers.

Thank you...I have said this for a long time.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Why is it a shortcut, when my German breed club still believes it is the same dog, still allows the breedings and still registers the resulting puppies?

I agree and because I believe they are the same dog then I don't see a problem what so ever. The only problem I see is that I like the tail on the Biewer and would prefer it on the dogs...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Nancy, I Agree that they shouod not be bred together, because the Biewer is not AKC.

Not sure what you mean by it being a shortcut. BC if you bred a parti to a Biewer they would not be registered in any registry, would they? Wouldn't they be consisdered a mixed breed? Or excuse me, a "designer" dog.

What has the registry got to do with this if they are the same dog.

And you are incorrect there are registrys that will register these dogs. Just because someone has a European Yorkie and they breed it to an American Yorkie does not mean they are designer Yorkies.

[3FurryFaces]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

What has the registry got to do with this if they are the same dog.

And you are incorrect there are registrys that will register these dogs. Just because someone has a European Yorkie and they breed it to an American Yorkie does not mean they are designer Yorkies.

From what I read so far, the AKC recognizes the partis as yokies but not the Biewers,
; the Biwers Clubs don't recognize the partis as the same dog since they don't trace back to the original line of Biewers... right?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

What has the registry got to do with this if they are the same dog.

And you are incorrect there are registrys that will register these dogs. Just because someone has a European Yorkie and they breed it to an American Yorkie does not mean they are designer Yorkies.

OK I did not know that you could register AKC dogs in other registries.

For my own purposes, I, Myself would not breed the two together because I want to stick swith the AKC registry.. Some where along the line, in the future, I might change my mind on that. i do like the Biewers,

Kpstoybox. I would love to see pictures of your biewer/parti puppies.

I have a question about the colors on the biewers. I have heard that on some of the Biewers, the color on their head is not changing to tan. Is this true? If so what is your theory on that.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Nancy, I Agree that they shouod not be bred together, because the Biewer is not AKC.

Not sure what you mean by it being a shortcut. BC if you bred a parti to a Biewer they would not be registered in any registry, would they? Wouldn't they be consisdered a mixed breed? Or excuse me, a "designer" dog.

No...they would not be a mix or a designer breed. Since they are the same dog...they produce the same puppies when bred. The German clubs and some American clubs do in fact register the puppies of a Biewer X Yorkie breeding. The resulting pups are Biewers and are registered as such.