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[Rerun201]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I really don't mean this to be snarky, but to me - if a person supports the APRI, they may as well put a bumper sticker on their car that says I SUPPORT PUPPY MILLS. Ya know?

But, you have to do what you feel is right - and if the APRI feels right for you, then no one will be able to persuade you otherwise. But at least folks here have taken the time to be informative.

"When you know better, you do better"

If you know better and still don't do better, you become the problem.

[FlDebra]

Quote from Ladymom's post: "America's Pet Registry, Inc. was begun as insurance for the pet industry and for the world of pet lovers.
(1) The professional pet industry is dependant on a registration service for the purebred animals it raises.
(2) Proposals are constantly introduced before the major registry services that would restrict the pet industry.
(3)Therefore, it is imperative that the pet industry have a registry service available -- a service that represents the basic interests of pet owners and the pet industry, and one that offers economical and friendly services to all."

In other words --
(1) commercial puppymills need to get more money for their pets and creating "papers" will dupe customers into paying more.
(2)The AKC is constantly creating restrictions for the safety, health, and wellbeing of pets. Commercial breeders find health concerns cut into their profit margin too much. They do not want to limit breeding, keep detailed records of who the real sire and dam of each litter are, worry about daily exercise, vet care or sanitary conditions, etc!
(3)So, they started this registry again to dupe customers into thinking they are getting pets with "papers" that mean something without having to comply with any rules or regulations.

PLEASE DO NOT SEND APRI ANY MONEY! When we unwittingly buy a puppy from a pet store or a mill, it is one thing. But once we KNOW where these puppies come from and what the puppymill registries are about and STILL support them -- then WE ARE PART OF THE CRUELTY! You support it, you are just as guilty as the one that swings that cage door closed on that poor breeding female who has never set foot on grass, been groomed, played with a toy, or known a loving touch. Really think before anyone sends money to these offshoot registries!

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I really don't mean this to be snarky, but to me - if a person supports the APRI, they may as well put a bumper sticker on their car that says I SUPPORT PUPPY MILLS. Ya know?

But, you have to do what you feel is right - and if the APRI feels right for you, then no one will be able to persuade you otherwise. But at least folks here have taken the time to be informative.

"When you know better, you do better"

Originally Posted by Rerun201

If you know better and still don't do better, you become the problem.

We were all thinking along the very same lines at the same time. Once I finally hit post, I read your two and thought -- all 3 of us were all on the same page at the same time! I hope at least some are reading, absorbing, and really making the decision NOT to support APRI, commercial breeders, puppymills, and animal cruelty -- which all are lumped into one!

[RachelandSadie]

I never actually said i was for sure going to register her, this thread wasn't even about the registry anyways it was about the name and rather than get comments about "oh how cute" and nice her name is i get this AGAIN.

you know i've been really nice and i've stuck it out on this forum, i've supported your comments to others even when you are quite contrary and sometimes YES quite RUDE. I've tried to fit in here and thought i was doing a pretty good job of it, but for some reason you just can't let it rest can you. you cannot read a thread and see the good and positive side of it. you cannot be happy for a new pet owner or just be glad that one more yorkie found a good loving home.

you simply feel that you must post a negative comment on every single thread despite the fact that the thread was never meant to be about the topic you decided to argue about. i don't understand why some of you don't have anything better to do than to go looking for things to nag people about.

I don't support puppy mills or bad breeders, where on earth you all got that into your heads i have no clue. i'm AGREE with you about protecting the poor dogs that get put into places like that. now why you continually bother me about puppy mills i cannot for the life of me figure out. my puppy was not from one, and i don't support pet stores or puppy mills. i never said i support APRI, but i can say that i do support the little guy. there is no reason that someone can't breed dogs because they like puppies and they enjoy the feeling they get when they have new little lives and they make people happy by providing these cute wiggly things to them. i do support the small town puppy breeders that have very nice, clean facilities and take great pride and care into the dogs that they breed. i don't think you have to register AKC to be a "responsible" breeder because i don't think the registry matters one bit in the health and well being of the puppy. i wish you all would realize that no one on this forum SUPPORTS puppy mills. so by constantly commenting on every little thing posted that you somehow link back to this topic, you are actually making people very angry and causing them to leave this forum forever. i'm glad i have a little backbone and have learned to just deal with you and pretty much ignore you, but you still constantly are the fly in my soup here.

i just want to say that i'm glad you feel strongly about supporting the cause for stopping puppy mills. that is wonderful and great. but it's just like religion people, if you shove it down people's throats all the time, they get sick and tired of hearing it and they reject you and usually rebel in the other direction. is that what you want??? do you really want people to come on here and get fingers pointed at them and their threads constantly starting a huge fight over "puppy mills" and then they completely turn their backs on helping support the cause and they leave this forum and they loose interest in helping shut down puppy mills altogether. because this is EXACTLY what is happening. no one with any heart supports puppy mills, but by repeating the same things OVER AND OVER to every single person on every single thread, you are doing a lot less good for your cause and causing people to turn off to listening to you anymore...you are like a leaky faucet, constantly dripping this annoying thing over and over and driving people away from the very thing you support so much.

so please, stop this madness, let it go already, if you truly love the cause you support, then please don't continually annoy people with your over dramatic posts and turn them away from what you are really trying to do here.

i hope this post is taken well and understood. if you want someone to believe in something that you are passionate about you have to come at them with love, grace, and mercy. you have to lead them to the truth by kindness and friendship, they must trust you before they will really listen and learn...how can someone trust you when you are so harsh and come across too strong? try to refrain from posting on every thread and only on a few that truly do seem to need to hear it. try to learn tactful typing and try not to make such a great big stink about this every time you feel like it, and i bet you might actually find more people that agree with you that given the chance will impress you very much, but having seen an over zealous thread wouldn't have given you the time of day otherwise

please learn from this post, please save the drama for your mama LOL and let some of this anger and frustration you have pent up go towards the puppy mills themselves, not every single innocent victim on YT that you go after.

Thanks and have a better day

[cheryl19]

"so please, stop this madness, let it go already, if you truly love the cause you support, then please don't continually annoy people with your over dramatic posts and turn them away from what you are really trying to do here."



The one thing people on this form are NOT is, "over dramatic" I don't think you get it at all!! You need to take your own advice about "over zealous thread" and just stop it!

[Rerun201]

Originally Posted by cheryl19

"so please, stop this madness, let it go already, if you truly love the cause you support, then please don't continually annoy people with your over dramatic posts and turn them away from what you are really trying to do here."



The one thing people on this form are NOT is, "over dramatic" I don't think you get it at all!! You need to take your own advice about "over zealous thread" and just stop it!

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

...you know i've been really nice and i've stuck it out on this forum, i've supported your comments to others even when you are quite contrary and sometimes YES quite RUDE.
...I don't support puppy mills or bad breeders, .... i never said i support APRI, but i can say that i do support the little guy. there is no reason that someone can't breed dogs because they like puppies and they enjoy the feeling they get when they have new little lives and they make people happy by providing these cute wiggly things to them. ..... i don't think you have to register AKC to be a "responsible" breeder because i don't think the registry matters one bit in the health and well being of the puppy. i wish you all would realize that no one on this forum SUPPORTS puppy mills. so by constantly commenting on every little thing posted that you somehow link back to this topic, you are actually making people very angry and causing them to leave this forum forever. i'm glad i have a little backbone and have learned to just deal with you and pretty much ignore you, but you still constantly are the fly in my soup here......

..

Rachel, the last post I made to you was very positive so you cannot think I am only giving you negative feedback. When you type a post, it may be read my thousands over the years. I do not want to see APRI supported and I feel if someone is talking about sending them money, I should speak up. They are an organization started by puppymills! If you are against puppymills you don't send them money, PERIOD. That is why I commented.

I feel many posts made to you are not really absorbed. You read them, determine them rude & then don't understand the content or the intent. You say NO ONE here supports puppymills. That is really not true. If a person knowingly buys from a puppymill, doesn't bother to check where they come from, or sends money to the APRI, then they are supporting puppymills.

Several have tried to show you the tie in with APRI and puppymills. Puppymills needed the APRI to stay in business and compete with the registered dogs when the AKC banned most of them for cruel conditions or horrid record keeping. So, they all got together and formed the APRI. That is the point everyone is trying to make.

Now you make a comment that you think anyone that wants to breed puppies, should. Now how is that to be taken in a good light? Do you really believe that? Breed every animal without regard to their parentage, health histories, genetic anomalies? Breed even without being educated on proper breeding, whelping, and raising of healthy dogs? Why do you think our shelters, pounds, and rescues are so full? It is that same mentality. You are not supporting the "little guy" as you put it -- you are supporting poor breeding practices and worse. That is bound to stir emotions!

Life is not a one-ended equation. Every action has a reaction. Support this and you wind up also supporting something else. So, you have to really delve into the issue before you support something. I can compare it to the jewlery shops that were closed in many of the malls across the US. Money made at these kiosks was being funneled directly and indirectly into terrorist accounts. People who shopped at these places were indirectly supporting the terrorists! How awful to not know! But now people know and they have been shut down. Innocent people are not having their hard earned dollars turned into terrorists bombs. Now, we have a lot of innocent people who unknowingly support puppymills, pet stores, and the offshoot registries that keep the puppymills in business. It is important to get the word out so that people know and HOPEFULLY once they know, they will not want their money funneled to the same bank accounts that support the puppymills. See? I know you think your puppy did not come from a puppymill. But if you never see where they come from in person, it is difficult to ever be sure of that. I feel strongly that responsible breeders do NOT deal with APRI! Many tried to warn you away from the breeder.

Maybe try easing into the forum. Don't try to win over or run over the whole membership at once. When you do post, expect that everyone may not agree and that sometimes you may broach on a subject that someone wants to comment on. You cannot control every post made to a thread just because you start it. Try keeping an open mind about the posts. Do not assume someone says what they do to be rude to you. To turn the tables on what you wrote, I think everyone has been very nice to you and stuck it out with you through some very questionable posts. Several of us posted that it was good to see you come a long way in a short time, felt you changed, and were happy to accept friend requests. I think that was an open arms policy. But you continue to be the "fly in the soup" -- as you put it --to those who tried very hard to offer good sound advice and information. Just sit back and relax, learn, and you may be amazed at what a great site this really is!

[red98vett]

i can register Sadie with APRI, at first i though why bother, but now i might just simply for the heck of it.

Hi there - I've been a member a long time here and don't post like I used to but felt I should say something here. Take it as you will - I have good intentions.

I read this whole thread and as you can see above - you did say you want to do this for the 'heck' of if. I have a feeling that's why you're getting replies you don't want to hear. Giving money to a registry that supports puppy mills is not something to do for the 'heck' of it.

Nancys post was very well said. Not mean - just honest.

There are people here that can educate those who really don't know certain things, such as puppy mills - different registries etc. In some cases, replies/opinions MAY come accross as harsh when it's really just their own style of speaking. It all can't be sugar-coated out of fear someone will get their nose out of joint.

There are many people here that really DO know what they are talking about. The site is so big that it hurts nothing to talk about puppy mills every chance we get because of what a huge problem it is.

If I were in your shoes - I'd listen and maybe try not to push so many buttons. I don't think you do it on purpose.... but when people reply to you and you don't like what they say, you consider it an attack.

Try to remember - people are trying to HELP and offering advise they know to be true and accurate. This site is read by many many people (lurkers, non members, etc) so it isn't just you that's reading replies. It's the whole internet....which makes it even more important that good information is posted.

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I never actually said i was for sure going to register her, this thread wasn't even about the registry anyways it was about the name and rather than get comments about "oh how cute" and nice her name is i get this AGAIN.

you know i've been really nice and i've stuck it out on this forum, i've supported your comments to others even when you are quite contrary and sometimes YES quite RUDE. I've tried to fit in here and thought i was doing a pretty good job of it, but for some reason you just can't let it rest can you. you cannot read a thread and see the good and positive side of it. you cannot be happy for a new pet owner or just be glad that one more yorkie found a good loving home.

you simply feel that you must post a negative comment on every single thread despite the fact that the thread was never meant to be about the topic you decided to argue about. i don't understand why some of you don't have anything better to do than to go looking for things to nag people about.

I don't support puppy mills or bad breeders, where on earth you all got that into your heads i have no clue. i'm AGREE with you about protecting the poor dogs that get put into places like that. now why you continually bother me about puppy mills i cannot for the life of me figure out. my puppy was not from one, and i don't support pet stores or puppy mills. i never said i support APRI, but i can say that i do support the little guy. there is no reason that someone can't breed dogs because they like puppies and they enjoy the feeling they get when they have new little lives and they make people happy by providing these cute wiggly things to them. i do support the small town puppy breeders that have very nice, clean facilities and take great pride and care into the dogs that they breed. i don't think you have to register AKC to be a "responsible" breeder because i don't think the registry matters one bit in the health and well being of the puppy. i wish you all would realize that no one on this forum SUPPORTS puppy mills. so by constantly commenting on every little thing posted that you somehow link back to this topic, you are actually making people very angry and causing them to leave this forum forever. i'm glad i have a little backbone and have learned to just deal with you and pretty much ignore you, but you still constantly are the fly in my soup here.

i just want to say that i'm glad you feel strongly about supporting the cause for stopping puppy mills. that is wonderful and great. but it's just like religion people, if you shove it down people's throats all the time, they get sick and tired of hearing it and they reject you and usually rebel in the other direction. is that what you want??? do you really want people to come on here and get fingers pointed at them and their threads constantly starting a huge fight over "puppy mills" and then they completely turn their backs on helping support the cause and they leave this forum and they loose interest in helping shut down puppy mills altogether. because this is EXACTLY what is happening. no one with any heart supports puppy mills, but by repeating the same things OVER AND OVER to every single person on every single thread, you are doing a lot less good for your cause and causing people to turn off to listening to you anymore...you are like a leaky faucet, constantly dripping this annoying thing over and over and driving people away from the very thing you support so much.

so please, stop this madness, let it go already, if you truly love the cause you support, then please don't continually annoy people with your over dramatic posts and turn them away from what you are really trying to do here.

i hope this post is taken well and understood. if you want someone to believe in something that you are passionate about you have to come at them with love, grace, and mercy. you have to lead them to the truth by kindness and friendship, they must trust you before they will really listen and learn...how can someone trust you when you are so harsh and come across too strong? try to refrain from posting on every thread and only on a few that truly do seem to need to hear it. try to learn tactful typing and try not to make such a great big stink about this every time you feel like it, and i bet you might actually find more people that agree with you that given the chance will impress you very much, but having seen an over zealous thread wouldn't have given you the time of day otherwise

please learn from this post, please save the drama for your mama LOL and let some of this anger and frustration you have pent up go towards the puppy mills themselves, not every single innocent victim on YT that you go after.

Thanks and have a better day

Ignorant, ignorant post. As it seems that you only post for drama, I hate to contribute to this thread, and give you what you want, but I cannot ignore certain comments you made above.

You know what? If someone want to "rebel" and go running off to purchase a Yorkie from a puppymill, good for them. Hope they get what they deserve. And breeding just to get puppies is disgusting and again, ignorant.

No more comments from me, I left the drama back in high school.

[cheryl19]

To FlDebra

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by cheryl19

To FlDebra

I agree with this. Debra - that was very well said too

[RachelandSadie]

i never said this wasn't a great site, i love YT, but i have to admit there are some people that take things too far. you can't deny it either, there really are some people that don't let "sleeping dogs lie" and go looking for a way in which to stir the pot.

i was never trying to stir up something with this thread, i was just excited to have given my pup a new full name that i was proud of. instead of getting the positive words of congrats and that's a cute name, i got yet another forum that will probably have to be closed because yet again people got carried away and went too far and created a fight over nothing.

now some of you make think i'm the immature one because i'm young and a bit niave, but tell me, am i really the one starting all these wars here? i try hard to post nice things with positive words of encouragement and my threads are never ever intended to open a huge can of worms and start these big arguements. i think the immaturity lies in those that don't have enough self control to stop posting about a topic that wasn't even the key point of the original thread.

and it really does feel like some people are lying in wait for their next victim to slip up slightly in a thread so that they can be pounced on and "taught a lesson about not supporting puppy mills" well i can't speak for everyone i guess, but i'm not in support of those people. and when i talk about the little guy and the small town breeders, i'm not talking about the breeder Sadie came from, i didn't know him that well and i admit that, and no i didn't have a chance to see her home, i trusted him at his word, stupid, probably, but i got a healthy dog that is a blessing to my family and i'm proud of her and thankful to Marvin for his influence in creating her.

as for the small town breeders i'm talking about here, i know people up home personally who do incredible jobs with their puppies, they take care of all of them and the parents and are kind and loving to their entire kennel of dogs. they don't breed for show, they don't breed for breeder dogs, they are the heart and soul of the true "pet industry" which IMO is not the same thing as a puppy mill. i've commented on this subject before, not every single breeder with multiple dog breeds or more than a couple litters of puppies a year is running the horrifying puppy mills that you see on TV and commercials. in fact lots of those types of kennels are AKC registered and still have many puppies sold throughout a year. a kennel or breeder should honestly be judged on an individual basis. i agree with Nancy1999 on a previous post somewhere that ALL breeders everywhere should be checked out before purchasing a pup, you should go to the home of the puppy and see the conditions it was raised in. i also agree that AKC has higher standards than other registries, but according the breeder i got Sadie from, and yes this could be a big fat lie or excuse...(but i don't think he'd lie because he has no reason to really with as cheap as Sadie was he wasn't making a profit anyways) anyways, he stated that the only reason he switched from registering AKC to APRI was that several times someone forgot to sign something somewhere that was a simple fix and AKC wouldn't help solve the problem. and another time he bought an AKC dog and was lied to about the dog and found out it was pregnant at the time of purchase. AKC wouldn't register the puppies, but he found that APRI would. he chose APRI because they were friendly and they helped him out when a situation beyond his control popped up. i don't condone APRI and i never actually said i would for sure send them money, and now i won't be, but i do want to make note that if AKC would make those simple misunderstandings and HUMAN ERROR little mistakes a bit easier to find a solution, than maybe breeders would stick with AKC as the registry of choice and not have to find another more user friendly service to register with.

just some food for thought, like i said, i'm not supporting APRI, and i wont' be sending them money not because of the comments on here, but because i just don't feel like registering Sadie anywhere anymore, it's all a bunch of bull IMO anyways.

my final comment on this matter: just don't go looking for a thread to comment on about your puppy mill drama please, it's really not helping change anyone's hearts or minds, it just makes yet another thread turn into a big debacle and causes more rifts between members of YT. we all have yorkies from where ever they came from so lets once again not let a silly thread that got out of hand and was hijacked and completely subject changed make us all nuts and hate each other

sound like a plan??? i sure hope so

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Sweetlips6

Does she know that? I did not. I generally admire the advice you give here, but this was a little on the strong side to me. -Thanks for the info though.
YT is a place for learning and sharing, but sometimes we newbies get slammed or lectured instead of instruction. It makes us not want to ask or share.
I think the OP was excited about her baby's new formal name, and now she is getting her bubble burst.

WOW...I was thinking the same thing.

[red98vett]

No offense....talking about puppy mills is nothing close to drama posting. It's a horrible problem and not enough people know what they are.

I can't tell you how many people I've talked to thru the years had no idea what a puppy mill is until they joined sites like this. Even me.

I found out 15 years ago only because I read it on a forum and found out that my 1st dog Tessa (cocker spaniel) was actually a puppy mill puppy. I learned my lesson and read everything I could about them ...and to this day - support ANYONE who speaks out against them. It can't be said enough.

Even on my website I have a page dedicated to abuse of animals with links to sites that are really hard to see but harsh reality. Puppy Mills need to be stopped. The same with pet stores that sell puppies - i.e. PETLAND. Many people have no idea Petland is the biggest customer of puppy mills.

Registries such as the one you're speaking about are only about making money any way they can.... which includes registering puppy mill dogs. I know lots of people have APRI registered dogs but I highly doubt they intended to support puppy mills. You have a chance to make a choice knowing this in advance.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sweetlips6

YT is a place for learning and sharing, but sometimes we newbies get slammed or lectured instead of instruction. It makes us not want to ask or share.

It happens both ways; Newbies asking questions and don't like the answers they get from all, even if the answer is offered softly. They will come back and rip apart the person offering the help. It's happend within the last few days.

However, to the OP, how wonderful that you have offered your services to those that want a registered name. But, it was mentioned that Registers are a means for breeders to research pedigrees. Therefore, a breeders Kennel name should be listed upfront and the name you have chosen for the pup. Usually the name you've chosen for the pup references a breeders certain, line....then a call name is given, completely different from the registered name.