Warning biewer owners/buyers!!!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by csagan001

Ihope it's just a sales pitch, because then, those breedere--from that club would KNOW that they are telling lies.

What really scares me is when people are so ill-informed that they don't even know that they are telling lies. It is this type of person that is truly dangerous.
That does not mean that telling lies is ok--I just think it is better to be a liar and know that you're a liar, than to be stupid.

Lol, my thoughts exactly!

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

I think this is a very important topic. Gee litter mates are called two different things: Biewers or Biewer Terriers....depending on who is selling puppies. I don't think the Mars Test is accurate. I met several animal genetists on the K-9 cruise all of whom were in agreement that the Mars test was not developed to distinguish a new breed much less determine purebreeds.

The MARS test is not accurate for purebreds or for mixed breeds. See the posting on that HERE

The DNA testing for disease is even less accurate. It is even less accurate than "less accurate" if it is used for dogs that are not in the primary groups. Tests developed for weimaraners (spelling) are not valid for beagles etc.

Anyone who relies on the MARS test to prove that their dog is unique, a new breed, or anything else, is blowing smoke. They simply do not have a clue what they are talking about (or they are liars.)

Similarly anyone who relies on DNA for disease testing to prove that their dog is healthy or their breeding lines are healthy is blowing smoke--albeit of a different variety. These people also do not have a clue what they are talking about (or they are liars.)

The facts about DNA are stunning: as scientists we actually know far less about DNA than the general public thinks we do. The only organism for which we really understand the DNA is the pea--the garden pea--the one you eat at dinner. We understand the pea very well. The rest we do not understand.

Sure, we have mapped the genome. That tells us where specific proteins are found. We know what a very few of those do. We do not know how they work together. Our knowledge of human DNA is VERY limited. ...and we have lots of money to research human DNA. Our knowledge of dog DNA is even more limited--there is very little research money available for dog DNA. Anyone who claims that they understand dog DNA is either a fool or a liar.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by csagan001

Ihope it's just a sales pitch, because then, those breedere--from that club would KNOW that they are telling lies.

What really scares me is when people are so ill-informed that they don't even know that they are telling lies. It is this type of person that is truly dangerous.

That does not mean that telling lies is ok--I just think it is better to be a liar and know that you're a liar, than to be stupid.

The big question....are those people bright enough to know they are stupid???

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The big question....are those people bright enough to know they are stupid???

I think not.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The big question....are those people bright enough to know they are stupid???

Nothing like laying it on the line.

[IRMaxine]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The big question....are those people bright enough to know they are stupid???

OH. they are bright enough- Remember they are using "state of the art" testing procedures, plus they have stepped into this "new scientific realm" to produce a superior dog that will live to a ripe old age and be FREE from long term health issues.Anyone with this much "intelligence" knows exactly what they are doing-Now if you are believing all of this I ask one thing of you--Take this whole thread and show it to your veterinerian- Not your neighbor or your friend or your club- Your veterinerian!!!! And explain you have a BIEWER!!!!

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Nothing like laying it on the line.

Yeah, especially when their leader posts that she holds a doctorate degree when she has no education after junior college--in an apparent fraudulent attempt to get people or companies to provide her with special considerations.

--Just left the RAW out of PhD....P H D ++ R A W = PHRAWD

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by csagan001

Yeah, especially when their leader posts that she holds a doctorate degree when she has no education after junior college--in an apparent fraudulent attempt to get people or companies to provide her with special considerations.

--Just left the RAW out of PhD....P H D ++ R A W = PHRAWD

Well another one attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting public. There are a couple of members on YT that attempt to do the same...vet school, or this or that. If one would just present themselves as who they are and base their oppinions on their own experiences, I think they'd gain more respect and people would listen.

[drafting]

I am shocked at the responses of some of you old time breeders. You are agreeing with statements made by newbies as though they are speaking the gospel truth. What an embarrassment to the creditability of older, more experienced breeders. Has anyone researched these statements to see what are fact and what are fiction? Looks to me like someone's feeling got hurt, so they are lashing out like little school kids, calling names. Where are the adults here?

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by drafting

I am shocked at the responses of some of you old time breeders. You are agreeing with statements made by newbies as though they are speaking the gospel truth. What an embarrassment to the creditability of older, more experienced breeders. Has anyone researched these statements to see what are fact and what are fiction? Looks to me like someone's feeling got hurt, so they are lashing out like little school kids, calling names. Where are the adults here?

I'm afraid you just don't have the history of dealing with some of those people in a business and personal sense. If you had that experience, you would be upset too.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by drafting

I am shocked at the responses of some of you old time breeders. You are agreeing with statements made by newbies as though they are speaking the gospel truth. What an embarrassment to the creditability of older, more experienced breeders. Has anyone researched these statements to see what are fact and what are fiction? Looks to me like someone's feeling got hurt, so they are lashing out like little school kids, calling names. Where are the adults here?

And just how would you know these people are newbie's? Since you only have 5 posts...could it be that you were a member on here before?

The old time breeders are reputable breeders that understand marketing 101..Dr.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

And just how would you know these people are newbie's? Since you only have 5 posts...could it be that you were a member on here before?

The old time breeders are reputable breeders that understand marketing 101..Dr.

You never cease to amaze me every time i read your post.lol...

[drafting]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

And just how would you know these people are newbie's? Since you only have 5 posts...could it be that you were a member on here before?

The old time breeders are reputable breeders that understand marketing 101..Dr.

I don't know if you read or not, but I have read through a lot of the posts on this forum and in case you are not aware of it, the number of posts a person makes is next to their name.

What are you talking about marketing 101 Dr? I know a lot of old time breeders and marketing is not their priority. Any reputable breeder would agree.
Judy

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by drafting

I don't know if you read or not, but I have read through a lot of the posts on this forum and in case you are not aware of it, the number of posts a person makes is next to their name.

What are you talking about marketing 101 Dr? I know a lot of old time breeders and marketing is not their priority. Any reputable breeder would agree.
Judy

Why is everyone arguing about the lack of knowledge and the vanity that people have --whice manifests in their being unable to be honest?

[csagan001]

Originally Posted by drafting

I don't know if you read or not, but I have read through a lot of the posts on this forum and in case you are not aware of it, the number of posts a person makes is next to their name.

Are the number of posts relevant in ascertaining someone's level of knowledge?