first litter and have already lost one...

[zorrolinchen]

When a person like Megansmomma work in the rescue over years and see permanently abused, mistreated and abandoned dogs is it her right not to congratulate to accidents like this - two "unwanted" pregnancys from a dog which is not a breeder dog because of her illness.

To the OP: I don´t want to be harsh to you but have you ever seen the pictures and videos from the dog cruelty from some private owners and in the puppymill? Do you want that one of your babys come in such persons hands? In USA every hour will be killed 900 pets in reason for the overpopulation. Please let your dogs spay and neuter and give them a long happy life without the risk of pregnancys. Please do it.

[linda44]

to the op, Im sorry this happened, but good luck in keeping the 2 survivors alive, it will be alot of work and youll get some good advise on feeding etc. A suggestion...have mommy spayed so it doesnt happen again, and before you sell your pups, spay/nueter them so the health problems arent passed down. You know everyone makes mistakes, none of us are perfect, the trick is to learn from our mistakes. Good luck with the pups.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Awesome post!!!!!!! I get frustrated by this too, also with puppy millers who are on YT who act like what they do is ok because they seem nice. Buyers beware. My latest peeve.

I also feel for people who come here with breeding problems and need support but also need to know that what they have done is wrong. Sometimes it's hard to hear but the only thing that may prevent them or others from doing it again and again.

Thank you. I guess I just get so tired of hearing it happen again, after it has already happened once.

And I agree with you, it is hard to hear, but maybe it's the only way to get through to people, before they lose their pet.

If people think I was hard on this person, they should have heard the tongue lashing my neighbor and very good frined rec'd when her Poodles "accidentally" got together. The result was everybody was spayed. All 7. And yes, we are still the best of frineds and she thanks me all the time for convincing her to neuter and spay all 7.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by heatherm0890

i understand what your are sayng about the accidental breedings too, i just feel like since we cant take puppies back we should be concerned of their welfare first, and then when the pups are ok, we should try to explain things like bybs,over population,and puppymills...instead of scaring the other poster so bad they never come back and then they wont here what we have to say at all

I understand what you mean, but it just upsets me, that this happened again, when this tiny little dog went thhrough one pregancy already, with problems with her back legs.

Can you just imagine how hard that was on this little dog?

I am willing to bet, she had been told by her Vet to spay her, after the first time.

I'll bet you wouldn't let that happen to one of your babies.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by camile

Here's the thing and there is really no way of getting around it. When ppl come on here and post questionable behavior, they sit themselves up for criticism. They open the can of worms themselves. I don't post on threads which look like they are going to be confrontational, but come on.
I would have taken my in-season dog with me before I exposed her to this very thing. And why was she not spayed with all her problems?

Remember the OP posed her plight to everyone on the board not just to those who might think her actions were OK. Nearly everyday I read some tragedy caused by an irresponsible owner and half of the posters act like its allright because the owner is sorry. Posters should not report poor or questionable behavior if they really don't want feedback, pro or con.

And to those who blasted Megansmomma, she only stated the obvious.

Exactly!

I read those posts, too and get really frustrated.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen

When a person like Megansmomma work in the rescue over years and see permanently abused, mistreated and abandoned dogs is it her right not to congratulate to accidents like this - two "unwanted" pregnancys from a dog which is not a breeder dog because of her illness.

To the OP: I don´t want to be harsh to you but have you ever seen the pictures and videos from the dog cruelty from some private owners and in the puppymill? Do you want that one of your babys come in such persons hands? In USA every hour will be killed 900 pets in reason for the overpopulation. Please let your dogs spay and neuter and give them a long happy life without the risk of pregnancys. Please do it.

Excellent post!

[heatherm0890]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

I understand what you mean, but it just upsets me, that this happened again, when this tiny little dog went thhrough one pregancy already, with problems with her back legs.

Can you just imagine how hard that was on this little dog?

I am willing to bet, she had been told by her Vet to spay her, after the first time.

I'll bet you wouldn't let that happen to one of your babies.

yes you are right there is no way on earth i would let this happen to my baby...i just feel being nice will make the other poster more willing to listen to the horrors of puppymills and all..idk if worcester is lurking and reading this but it would have been better not to scare her off so she would have learned all the things ppl like megansmomma could teach her..yes i agree it should NEVER have happened twice but it did and that can not be changed imo,the puppies come first, i hope they are ok

[heatherm0890]

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen

When a person like Megansmomma work in the rescue over years and see permanently abused, mistreated and abandoned dogs is it her right not to congratulate to accidents like this - two "unwanted" pregnancys from a dog which is not a breeder dog because of her illness.

To the OP: I don´t want to be harsh to you but have you ever seen the pictures and videos from the dog cruelty from some private owners and in the puppymill? Do you want that one of your babys come in such persons hands? In USA every hour will be killed 900 pets in reason for the overpopulation. Please let your dogs spay and neuter and give them a long happy life without the risk of pregnancys. Please do it.

i think you stated the facts just rite, the other poster needs to hear this, but i believe you did it in the correct way

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen

When a person like Megansmomma work in the rescue over years and see permanently abused, mistreated and abandoned dogs is it her right not to congratulate to accidents like this - two "unwanted" pregnancys from a dog which is not a breeder dog because of her illness.

To the OP: I don´t want to be harsh to you but have you ever seen the pictures and videos from the dog cruelty from some private owners and in the puppymill? Do you want that one of your babys come in such persons hands? In USA every hour will be killed 900 pets in reason for the overpopulation. Please let your dogs spay and neuter and give them a long happy life without the risk of pregnancys. Please do it.

EXCELLENT POST... whether or not this a "public" (im sooo tired of that word being thrown around ) forum there are ways of wording posts that arent nasty. I truly beleive that this post will get the op's attention before any other post in this thread will.
To the OP.. good luck with your new pups. You really should consider having her spayed so the mom or you dont have to go through this again. Its not healthy for her and it could kill her if there was a "next" time.

[worcester]

Ok let me clear something up here so you all can settle down, my female has knee trouble like almost all yorkies will or do already have her knee pops out of joint which causes her legs to go out she has had this since she was little it is not bad on her nor does it hurt my vet says it is very comin in this breed they pop out so much even when not PG that she has wore out the joint so now they are more out then in most of the time. as for her heat I keep very close watch on it by calender and she was to go into heat 3 weeks before I sent her to my xx but had no sign of it and her 2nd heat of her life she never had any signs no bleeding no swelling nothing so I thought she had done the same thing this time so I took her thinking it was safe and she was over it, my vet says any male can bring a female around these two have been together since they were little they love each other and miss each other when not together so I think that is what happen. he is a yorkie too I got him as a x-mas gift due to pets smart dropping my other yorkie and breaking her neck he is the far distance brother to the female that was killed and she was my world.he is smaller then Sadie I'll post pics of the two later he is 4lb she is 5lb.
she is due to be fixed in 4 weeks bc I did not want this after the first PG happened the way it did as for the two babies I'm keeping one and my daughter is taking one.

I do know somethings about breeding I use to raise English bulldogs but they are nothing like yorkies they are born about a pound or two, so I already knew about the heating pad, I have been using it and some gel pack that I boil to keep hot and the feedings are good they are little butter balls I was just wondering when do I stop worrying about her dragging them out of the kennel and them losing there temp while out.

Thanks all to of you for your input even the one that's not so nice.

[RIPMyLittleCase]

I am just a little confused here. The thread title is "first litter and have already lost one......" but the OP goes on to say this is her 2nd litter. Which is it? If there were problems medically the first time, would it not have been a superb idea to have the little girl spayed right after that first litter instead of taking the chance that she get pregnant, either on purpose or by accident, a second time?

I feel for the new puppies and their mommy who is too ill to properly take care of them. I hope they all make it and do not end up in one of those awful outcomes we hear so much about every day. I also hope the OP takes the responsible route and have her spayed as soon as the vet says she is well enough to have it done.

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by worcester

Ok let me clear something up here so you all can settle down, my female has knee trouble like almost all yorkies will or do already have her knee pops out of joint which causes her legs to go out she has had this since she was little it is not bad on her nor does it hurt my vet says it is very comin in this breed they pop out so much even when not PG that she has wore out the joint so now they are more out then in most of the time. as for her heat I keep very close watch on it by calender and she was to go into heat 3 weeks before I sent her to my xx but had no sign of it and her 2nd heat of her life she never had any signs no bleeding no swelling nothing so I thought she had done the same thing this time so I took her thinking it was safe and she was over it, my vet says any male can bring a female around these two have been together since they were little they love each other and miss each other when not together so I think that is what happen. he is a yorkie too I got him as a x-mas gift due to pets smart dropping my other yorkie and breaking her neck he is the far distance brother to the female that was killed and she was my world.he is smaller then Sadie I'll post pics of the two later he is 4lb she is 5lb.
she is due to be fixed in 4 weeks bc I did not want this after the first PG happened the way it did as for the two babies I'm keeping one and my daughter is taking one.

I do know somethings about breeding I use to raise English bulldogs but they are nothing like yorkies they are born about a pound or two, so I already knew about the heating pad, I have been using it and some gel pack that I boil to keep hot and the feedings are good they are little butter balls I was just wondering when do I stop worrying about her dragging them out of the kennel and them losing there temp while out.

Thanks all to of you for your input even the one that's not so nice.

Thanks so much for updating us. They sound like they are thriving!! I think its awesome that you have plans to have her spayed.

[worcester]

I called it the first litter bc they lived..there was more then one, she only had one with her first Pg and it died due to she was alone at the vets and Sadie did not break the bag. my vet says sometimes they will due that the first time or something could of been wrong with the pup the reason she did not break it either way he asured me she was fine very healthy.. she was and is very healthy then and now she has never had any heath trouble at all she had no trouble the first time but this time the pups is what made her sick they took everything out of her they caused her sugar to drop the stress caused her to have aulcer which caused the bleeding and she can not feed them bc she became anemic but as is well now she is still making alittle milk just not enough to get them full so I'm helping out.
I wanted to fix her but I'm also very picky about who treats my dogs so I have to work it around me being home which is in Oklahoma she is the only pet I have that lives with me and she is never outside with out me so I was in no hurry to fix her bc there was no threat of her getting PG.

[Woogie Man]

Worcester, I think your vet has glossed over how serious your girl's knee condition is. It's called luxating patella and is classified between grade 1 to 4, with 4 being the most serious. Your girl sounds like a grade 3 at least, possibly 4. She should be prevented from jumping and climbing stairs, etc. You may want to see another vet about this; one who has experience with small dogs. It can often be repaired through surgery.

Raising Yorkie pups is very different from raising larger breeds. They need to stay warm and eat often. They are very small and have no reserves so can go downhill quickly. You should google 'hypoglycemia' to be aware of the symptoms and how to deal with it. An especially vulnerable time for the pups is as they are being weaned. Sometimes they may not eat all they should and can have a drop in blood sugar (a hypoglycemia episode) which can be very dangerous. Keep a close eye on them and best of luck.

[megansmomma]

Since I am the not so nice one~I just have to say congratulation! You have now bred your Yorkie 2 times and she has by your own admission sever LP. You have now passed this CONGENITAL defect on to an entire litter of puppies. Furthermore, your vet is irresponsible as well if he is condoning breeding a Yorkie with Luxating Patella. A responsible breeder would have had her spayed and made into a pet so that this would never be passed on to another dog! She need surgery to correct this problem that is extremely expensive and very painful. Do you even know what Luxating Patella is? Let me compare it to someone with bad knees and how painful it is to a human. I feel so bad for that little mommy pup and her babies! Dogs can be "in love" but they are not human and do not need to show their love to each other by breeding! It was your responsibility as her owner to not let this happen. It doesn't matter if you are keeping the puppies and handing them to family members. Now you have not 1 Yorkie with LP but an entire litter that will most likely because it as well! Surgery to correct LP is about $3,000 and it sounds like your little girl needs it to correct her problem immediately. Plus now you have also brought into the world 3 more pups that will carry this defect. So let's take the $3,000 and multiply that by 4 and you have a $12,000 "accident because they are in love". I really don't care if a few on this board think I am not playing nice in the sandbox! This is so unconscionable that I am beside myself! This is why I feel that anyone who allows their dog to breed she be held accountable for their defects ie LP in this case. So if you have $12,000 to fix all of the new problems that you have just allowed to create then excuse me for voicing my opinion. The total lack of responsibility is what has my head spinning! The more information that is being divulged the more upsetting this truly is~once again.