Article about BYB! Must read!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I am prone to think that most people do not even realize or consider themselves as someone who is enabling a BYB. There is much more awareness about puppy mill but BYB's are kind of a dirty little secret.

well, people do not like to admit they are wrong. i am sure there are people that bought from backyard breeders and even if they agree with the idea you are presenting here. they are still going to ignore you, because if they agreed with you, then it would mean that they made a mistake.

i think it's probably a touchy subject for dog owners? the people who agree with you won't be willing to say anything if they got their dog from a backyard breeder and is happy with the dog. and others will just think you are crazy since they don't agree with you....

that's kind of how it works i guess...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by AMD

Good Post!! This is a very good paragraph:

Why is this happening in the United States today? The number one biggest contributor to the problem is the backyard breeder not the puppy mills. This is a name that has become unpopular and no one wants to admit they are a backyard breeder. Many people do not even realize they are part of the problem. This is what I need to address in this post. The only way to stop the needless killing of dogs is to stop the needless breeding of them.

Amen!

I met a gal about two years ago in a pet boutique. She was there talking about her new puppies she was selling. She was posting a sign. She and I both knew the owner of the shop and I just kept my mouth shut.

Anyway....long story short...she lost one of her male yorkies a couple of months ago and has been searching for him.

She wrote to me and sent his flyer....and about two weeks ago she contacted me again...this time wanting to donate to rescue. I gave her my telephone number and what a conversation we had. She told me that after looking so hard for her beloved yorkie and seeing all of the homeless yorkies in rescue and also the people calling her who had found a stray, she has decided never to breed again. She really had no idea of the scope of the problem.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Yes until they pee on the new carpet

No kidding!

[Patti]

I got Cali from a BYB because it was before I was better educated by YT and I found it almost impossibel to get a show breeder to give me the time of day. After having horrible health issues with Cali and deciding I wanted another one, I posted on here what I was looking for and a YT member suggested I contact Stardust Yorkies who was in my area. I thought it would be the same thing as tryng to get a dog or afrom 2 big show breeders in my area. Fortunately Susan couldn't have been nicer and I ended up with 3 dogs from her, unfortunately one had an unknown congenital condition and had to be PTS. She cried with me and worked with me to help with vet bills and replacement. When I called the BYB that I got Cali from to tell her Cali had MVD and her parents shouldn't be bred and that I had spent close to 7,000 on vet bills she said Thanks for letting us know. I will never know if she kept breeding them or not. So I will only buy from a show breeder even if it takes a lot of time and research to find my next baby. I volunteer at a small rescue on Sunday's and most of these dogs have been in rescue for a very long time and they are no where near the breed standard. I don't know what the answer is but I know I will only rescue or purchase from a show breeder breeding to standard.

[llcornell]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

well, people do not like to admit they are wrong. i am sure there are people that bought from backyard breeders and even if they agree with the idea you are presenting here. they are still going to ignore you, because if they agreed with you, then it would mean that they made a mistake.

i think it's probably a touchy subject for dog owners? the people who agree with you won't be willing to say anything if they got their dog from a backyard breeder and is happy with the dog. and others will just think you are crazy since they don't agree with you....

that's kind of how it works i guess...

I dont think its about admitting you are wrong or have made a mistake. Its about education. I purchased my first yorkie Maggie from a BYB and I will admit it. I didnt know better. She had all the typical hereditarial yorkie problems that should have been checked before breeding, by me and the breeder. I made a mistake but I loved her and she lived to be 16 with 2 knee surgeries and alot of other medical bills later she lived a long full life but since then I have learned and will make different and hopefully better choices in the future. I now volunteer for a rescue organization and will continue to try to make the best choices possible from here on out and that is all from EDUCATION. If we dont talk about then no one will learn. I wish 17 years ago I had read some of this, not only would It have saved my heart it would have helped the dog population and my pocketbook.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by llcornell

I dont think its about admitting you are wrong or have made a mistake. Its about education. I purchased my first yorkie Maggie from a BYB and I will admit it. I didnt know better. She had all the typical hereditarial yorkie problems that should have been checked before breeding, by me and the breeder. I made a mistake but I loved her and she lived to be 16 with 2 knee surgeries and alot of other medical bills later she lived a long full life but since then I have learned and will make different and hopefully better choices in the future. I now volunteer for a rescue organization and will continue to try to make the best choices possible from here on out and that is all from EDUCATION. If we dont talk about then no one will learn. I wish 17 years ago I had read some of this, not only would It have saved my heart it would have helped the dog population and my pocketbook.

just my guess at why so many views and not so many replies relatively this thread received since the OP was wondering why people were just viewing and not commenting. what would your guess be?

[Karrie]

I don't usually post to these types of threads, but I feel that I must respond to that article.

I understand that there are responsible breeders and that there are irresponsible breeders. I understand that some breeders are greeders and some breeders breed for their love of the breed and for the best interest in producing quality and healthy dogs.

I just read the AKC standard - and it makes reference to only physical appearance!! I TOTALLY disagree with the continuous comment in that article that if someone does not have a dog meets the 100% physical appearance as set forth by the AKC then they do not have the right to breed it!!

I strongly oppose irresponsible breeders who breed for greed without any consideration to the puppy's health - but I also disagree with the idea that only a select few should have the right to breed. My baby is AKC certified - but does not meet the AKC standard - she has silver on her forehead!! She is healthy, smart and 100% yorkie. I can't imagine life without her and she came from a responsible BYB.

It is wrong to label all BYBers as irresponsible and careless. These types of posts are offensive to me- and I don't think I'm the only one.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

There are plenty of "breeder" that need to be put out of business. Illinois has legislation and I for one voice my opinion directly to my representative that I support it. It should be difficult to breed when there are ONE MILLION dogs PTS monthly. That is outrageous!

People have become so accustom to immediate self gratification. I doesn't matter the cost we need the best, biggest, most expensive of everything even if we cannot afford it.

So what you are saying is that all breeder/exhibitors should have to suffer for the obvious mistakes/neglect/uneducation/greed of others? And I am not saying that all exhibitors are perfect, but the breeders that are "in it" for the love of the breed should not have to be penalized because of the "greedy blood-suckers". This is the slippery slope that I am talking about when voting in badly worded legislation.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Karrie

I don't usually post to these types of threads, but I feel that I must respond to that article.

I understand that there are responsible breeders and that there are irresponsible breeders. I understand that some breeders are greeders and some breeders breed for their love of the breed and for the best interest in producing quality and healthy dogs.

I just read the AKC standard - and it makes reference to only physical appearance!! I TOTALLY disagree with the continuous comment in that article that if someone does not have a dog meets the 100% physical appearance as set forth by the AKC then they do not have the right to breed it!!

I strongly oppose irresponsible breeders who breed for greed without any consideration to the puppy's health - but I also disagree with the idea that only a select few should have the right to breed. My baby is AKC certified - but does not meet the AKC standard - she has silver on her forehead!! She is healthy, smart and 100% yorkie. I can't imagine life without her and she came from a responsible BYB.

It is wrong to label all BYBers as irresponsible and careless. These types of posts are offensive to me- and I don't think I'm the only one.

i don't think the OP or anyone was 'labeling' all bybers irresponsible and careless. there are always exceptions...just in general, they have not done as much research as needed, but i don't think the thread is about saying that all bybers are irresponsible. (although most probably are.) it is about raising awareness, since people are NOT aware.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i just thought of the reason why you didn't get a lot of responses when you posted. (my best guess anyways)

most of the people probably did get their dogs from backyard breeders, because there are way more backyard breeders than there are qualified breeders. so the majority of the pet owners didn't get their pets form good breeders..... so those people will probably be reluctant to comment on your thread.

what you think?

You just might be correct!! I got my first Yorkie and Labrador from bybers. That was back in the day when there was no byber/mill language.

[ladyjane]

I just have one question of everyone involved in this thread who breeds their pups. I do not want an answer....it is a question for you to ask yourselves.
Why do you breed if not for show? What do you do with your puppies? Do you know for a fact that every pup you have bred in the past is safe and sound and being well cared for?
Are your pockets deep enough to pay for any extraordinary veterinary expenses that can come with breeding? Are your pockets deep enough and your heart strong enough to deal with a yorkie with cancer or pyometria?
Just something to think about.

[RIPMyLittleCase]

I read the article at work yesterday but then got busy. My husband and I talked about it last night after I got home from work. I don't know if the place where we got Teddy from is a BYB or a puppy mill or a legit shelter. I have learned alot here and will definitely do even more research next time we adopt. We have been very fortunate with our little boy as he came to us healthy (except his missing toes) and we have already had him altered. The number of pets pts every month is heartbreaking.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Karrie

I don't usually post to these types of threads, but I feel that I must respond to that article.

I understand that there are responsible breeders and that there are irresponsible breeders. I understand that some breeders are greeders and some breeders breed for their love of the breed and for the best interest in producing quality and healthy dogs.

I just read the AKC standard - and it makes reference to only physical appearance!! I TOTALLY disagree with the continuous comment in that article that if someone does not have a dog meets the 100% physical appearance as set forth by the AKC then they do not have the right to breed it!!

I strongly oppose irresponsible breeders who breed for greed without any consideration to the puppy's health - but I also disagree with the idea that only a select few should have the right to breed. My baby is AKC certified - but does not meet the AKC standard - she has silver on her forehead!! She is healthy, smart and 100% yorkie. I can't imagine life without her and she came from a responsible BYB.

It is wrong to label all BYBers as irresponsible and careless. These types of posts are offensive to me- and I don't think I'm the only one.

I think you need to go back to the original article and reread what is says. What is offensive to me is that 1,000,000 dogs are PTS each month! My Pebbles has AKC papers as well but I would NEVER consider her breeding material. The BYB that she came from should not be breeding. She is 100% yorkie too but is 11 lbs and has crooked teeth. Does that give me the right to breed? ABSOLUTELY not! Sure this breeder is a wonderful woman~a school teacher even~ does that give her the right to breed? Did I purchase Pebbles? No, she was given to me by a friend. Rehomed because my friend was not able to care for her. There was never an offer to take her back from this breeder so what was to happen to my little girl? If I wouldnt' have taken her who knows where she would be now. Of course I love and and think she is wonderful. She was sold without a spay contract so if I had wanted to she could be a breeding dog now. That is what a BYB does they sell for profit and it is WRONG!

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I just have one question of everyone involved in this thread who breeds their pups. I do not want an answer....it is a question for you to ask yourselves.
Why do you breed if not for show? What do you do with your puppies? Do you know for a fact that every pup you have bred in the past is safe and sound and being well cared for?
Are your pockets deep enough to pay for any extraordinary veterinary expenses that can come with breeding? Are your pockets deep enough and your heart strong enough to deal with a yorkie with cancer or pyometria?
Just something to think about.

i don't think there are many breeders participating in this thread. most of us are just pet lovers. not BYBs.

[llcornell]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I just have one question of everyone involved in this thread who breeds their pups. I do not want an answer....it is a question for you to ask yourselves.
Why do you breed if not for show? What do you do with your puppies? Do you know for a fact that every pup you have bred in the past is safe and sound and being well cared for?
Are your pockets deep enough to pay for any extraordinary veterinary expenses that can come with breeding? Are your pockets deep enough and your heart strong enough to deal with a yorkie with cancer or pyometria?
Just something to think about.