Article about BYB! Must read!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by llcornell

No you cant put all the blame on the BYB BUT they are the source so its a good place to start. We have to start somewhere.

Peta and H$U$ are already getting the ball rolling in almost every state with legislation. They are already going after everyone who "breeds" a litter, not just the byber or mills. They way things are going, ALL breeders will be legislated out of existance. That will be the saddest day of all.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You make a good point, but it kills me that some of the better breeders are cutting back their breeding programs because of the recession, but this isn't true of the byb's.

I have noticed the price of Yorkies coming down in the paper. I think that even they are feeling the crunch! They are also dumping alot of problem breeders and older dogs at the pound. I remember years ago I was talking with a "breeder" and she told me that if the dogs cant pull their weight, she "gets rid of them". I know another "breeder" that breeds Papillons, chihuahua, and doxies. I asked her if she had a good vet if she needed a c-section. She told me that if a c-section was needed she would kill the bitch herself as she couldnt afford the surgery. Just makes your mind spin!!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Peta and H$ are already getting the ball rolling in almost every state with legislation. They are already going after everyone who "breeds" a litter, not just the byber or mills. They way things are going, ALL breeders will be legislated out of existance. That will be the saddest day of all.

There are plenty of "breeder" that need to be put out of business. Illinois has legislation and I for one voice my opinion directly to my representative that I support it. It should be difficult to breed when there are ONE MILLION dogs PTS monthly. That is outrageous!

People have become so accustom to immediate self gratification. I doesn't matter the cost we need the best, biggest, most expensive of everything even if we cannot afford it.

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I have noticed the price of Yorkies coming down in the paper. I think that even they are feeling the crunch! They are also dumping alot of problem breeders and older dogs at the pound. I remember years ago I was talking with a "breeder" and she told me that if the dogs cant pull their weight, she "gets rid of them". I know another "breeder" that breeds Papillons, chihuahua, and doxies. I asked her if she had a good vet if she needed a c-section. She told me that if a c-section was needed she would kill the bitch herself as she couldnt afford the surgery. Just makes your mind spin!!!

That just makes me sick to my stomach. They are clearly just money making "things" to her. I don't know how you could love a dog and then even joke about something like that.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I have noticed the price of Yorkies coming down in the paper. I think that even they are feeling the crunch! They are also dumping alot of problem breeders and older dogs at the pound. I remember years ago I was talking with a "breeder" and she told me that if the dogs cant pull their weight, she "gets rid of them". I know another "breeder" that breeds Papillons, chihuahua, and doxies. I asked her if she had a good vet if she needed a c-section. She told me that if a c-section was needed she would kill the bitch herself as she couldnt afford the surgery. Just makes your mind spin!!!

This shouldn't be a surprise~it is common place for this type of attitude. These "breeders" think one litter will be cute and then there is trouble with the delivery. What then? They are not prepared and then they are stuck. That is exactly that this article is talking about. Breeding to make money, not caring, no education the list goes on and on.

[yorkiepuppie]

yes, i agree, you are right that sometimes people charge a lot of money for a small, unhealthy dog. now that is a scam!

i think the reason that backyard breeders exist is because there is a demand for them, and the reason there is a demand for them i think is mainly because of 2 reasons.

1) people want 'cheaper' dogs.
2) people want to buy a dog but were turned down by good breeders or rescue because they didn't meet the qualifications. so they turn to backyard breeders to get what they want.

and i think unless those 2 things are solved, there will always always be backyard breeders, because they fill a need...

it is very unfortunate!

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think there is a little truth in the statement, "you get what you pay for", but there are so many exceptions, nothing in life is that simple. For example, some websites sell dogs that don't met standard for outrageous prices, and say the dogs are "related to champions". That means nothing, but a cute website name and some good pictures of dogs in cute poses, make people think the dogs are worth more. Some sites promise a tiny, and again try to charge more; often the tiny is tiny because it's unhealthy or in most cases it's not even tiny. Dogs under a certain size can't be used for breeding so they should be worth less, not more, and most good breeders won't sell them for more. I don't buy the notion that good breeders charge more for tinies, because they want to ensure that the tiny goes to people who have the funds to pay for it's medical needs. Just because you can come up with an extra $1000.00 doesn't mean you have the funds to pay for future medical needs. The same with males and females, many good breeders sell both for the same price. Other sites sell off colors calling them "rare" and unusual, and charge more than a show breeder's dog. There is something called supply and demand, as you are aware, but really good breeders are more interested in finding the best homes, not making a buck, and don't try to create a false demand for their dogs.

I've seen some beautiful show breeders dogs, who were being held back because they were thinking of showing it, and at 8 or so months decided that they didn't need them in the program, and the dog could be perfect in every way, and worth thousands of dollars, but since it was older, they will sell them for under $1000.00. Sometimes you are paying extra money for hype, and so it takes a really educated buying to sort out the hype from the truth. Don't forget rescues, you get way more than you pay for here.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

yes, i agree, you are right that sometimes people charge a lot of money for a small, unhealthy dog. now that is a scam!

i think the reason that backyard breeders exist is because there is a demand for them, and the reason there is a demand for them i think is mainly because of 2 reasons.

1) people want 'cheaper' dogs.
2) people want to buy a dog but were turned down by good breeders or rescue because they didn't meet the qualifications. so they turn to backyard breeders to get what they want.

and i think unless those 2 things are solved, there will always always be backyard breeders, because they fill a need...

it is very unfortunate!

No way to solve 1 or 2. If people want a cheap dog, they should buy a stuffed animal....
Same with number 2...some people, in my opinion, should only own stuffed animals.
There are far too many people who are not responsible pet owners. Just got an owner surrender today that the people are dumping because they bought a new home and want to "assume a fresh start". They are keeping their children .. for now at least.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No way to solve 1 or 2. If people want a cheap dog, they should buy a stuffed animal....
Same with number 2...some people, in my opinion, should only own stuffed animals.
There are far too many people who are not responsible pet owners. Just got an owner surrender today that the people are dumping because they bought a new home and want to "assume a fresh start". They are keeping their children .. for now at least.

Yes until they pee on the new carpet

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No way to solve 1 or 2. If people want a cheap dog, they should buy a stuffed animal....
Same with number 2...some people, in my opinion, should only own stuffed animals.
There are far too many people who are not responsible pet owners. Just got an owner surrender today that the people are dumping because they bought a new home and want to "assume a fresh start". They are keeping their children .. for now at least.

There was a thread on here once, and the person was breaking up with her boyfriend and had 4 dogs between them. They both wanted a "fresh start".

[yorkiepuppie]

i just thought of the reason why you didn't get a lot of responses when you posted. (my best guess anyways)

most of the people probably did get their dogs from backyard breeders, because there are way more backyard breeders than there are qualified breeders. so the majority of the pet owners didn't get their pets form good breeders..... so those people will probably be reluctant to comment on your thread.

what you think?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i just thought of the reason why you didn't get a lot of responses when you posted. (my best guess anyways)

most of the people probably did get their dogs from backyard breeders, because there are way more backyard breeders than there are qualified breeders. so the majority of the pet owners didn't get their pets form good breeders..... so those people will probably be reluctant to comment on your thread.

what you think?

I am prone to think that most people do not even realize or consider themselves as someone who is enabling a BYB. There is much more awareness about puppy mill but BYB's are kind of a dirty little secret.

[AMD]

Good Post!! This is a very good paragraph:

Why is this happening in the United States today? The number one biggest contributor to the problem is the backyard breeder not the puppy mills. This is a name that has become unpopular and no one wants to admit they are a backyard breeder. Many people do not even realize they are part of the problem. This is what I need to address in this post. The only way to stop the needless killing of dogs is to stop the needless breeding of them.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I am prone to think that most people do not even realize or consider themselves as someone who is enabling a BYB. There is much more awareness about puppy mill but BYB's are kind of a dirty little secret.

People think that if they did not get a pup from a pet store, then surely it was a reputable breeder.
Unfortunately people really do not know.
There is so much focus on puppy mills that they do not know there are other breeders who are just about as bad flying under the radar.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i just thought of the reason why you didn't get a lot of responses when you posted. (my best guess anyways)

most of the people probably did get their dogs from backyard breeders, because there are way more backyard breeders than there are qualified breeders. so the majority of the pet owners didn't get their pets form good breeders..... so those people will probably be reluctant to comment on your thread.

what you think?

I got my only other purebred dog from a byb, and after that I only got dogs from the pound, until Joey. I didn't feel like I wanted a purebred because I had read so much about bad breeding practices. I figured a good breeder's dog would cost tens of thousands of dollars. That's probably what their worth, but thank goodness they don't charge that much. Yorkietalk provides us with education, we shouldn't feel bad about the choices we made in the past when we didn't know any better, but we should educate ourselves on what makes a good breeder, and only support those breeders who have reputable breeding programs. These threads provide education for those who are thinking of breeding their new pup, as well as people looking to buy a dog in the future. The rescues are hit hard by the byb's; but pounds are probably hit harder, by the irresponsible dog owner, who allows unsterilized dogs to run loose.

[AMD]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

People think that if they did not get a pup from a pet store, then surely it was a reputable breeder.
Unfortunately people really do not know.
There is so much focus on puppy mills that they do not know there are other breeders who are just about as bad flying under the radar.

^^I would agree. BYB are mini puppy mills basically. Same purpose, smaller program.