Very disappointed with some YT members!!!

[cj125]

[quote=Bhikku;2342863]I completely agree that puppy mills are an abomination. I just think once people realized the OP was starting to get defensive and offended, they should have taken a different approach rather judge her so harshly...with a little more tact, she'd still be a member and she would be able to take advantage of the personal experiences other people have had regarding mill puppies on this site.
Actually, she can still come on here and read all the posts she wants to. I'm sure no one wanted her to leave but she did.

However, not all commercial breeders keep their dogs in horrible conditions, just like not all farms are involved in neglect or abuse. It is in the best interest of commercial businesses to keep their stock healthy and useful - it breeds repeat business and diminishes loss and returns. So basically, there is no reason with proper legislation that puppy mills should be the hellholes that they are.
OMG - I can't believe I'm reading this! When anything is soo mass produced - they can afford to loose some business - because they are making it up in numbers!

The more diseased and unsocialized the product, the less people will buy it, therefore less profit.
Are you kidding me??? They don't know this until they get the puppy home!!! Do you really think people go in and deliberately buy a sick unsocialized puppy? Come on!

Neglecting a commodity decreases its value. A stereotypical puppy mill is indicative of a badly run business.
That's exactly how they look at these dogs.
Commodity = $$$$$

Commercial breeders would not have the reputation they do if they were yoked with much more stringent regulations regarding the health of animals (mental/emotional/physical), public education (spay/neuter programs, bite prevention, etc...) and other factors which increase the quality of life for the animals and their prospective owners.
Good theory but very unrealistic. There are way too many PUPPYMILLS for the USDA inspectors to visit to enforce the regulations.

I completely agree that puppy mills are an abomination.
If you really feel this way... why are you defending them? What is this whole post about?

[cj125]

Originally Posted by dwerten

That is excellent - thanks so much for sharing that as i had never read that before - makes me sad though as i think of my dex ;( he hates to go in the car and gets car sick and sometimes i wonder if it was from him coming her from lincoln nebraska on a truck my two girls love car rides but dex hates them

OMG Debbie - Dex came from Lincoln, NE? Aww, my daughter was born there. I lived there for 7 yrs.

[Darlin Beauxs]

Switching the pups, that is what made me click off of the post before I replied. It was because the other one was cuter or something like that.
What happens when the new puppy isn't cute anymore? It was just offensive to the posters who love their Yorkies like children.

Darcy (my rescue) looks more like Ms. Piggy than a Yorkie, shes got really big eyes and bad teeth, and she is the only Yorkie I have ever seen in my life who has frizzy hair, but she is the sweetest, best behaved baby I have ever had, and I would take her over 2 lb'er any day.

[yorkiegirl83]

I'm sorry if you felt it was an all out attack. There are many threads where people don't read through the entire thread and post an opinion and many times things get repeated.

I did reply with just a simple statement that my Bentley is from a puppy mill in MO. I was absolutely shocked and horrified to find this out - I just didn't know what was out there. Now, I have no idea if the place he came from was a horrible one or if it was one in which it was just a large scale breeding facility that was clean, but nevertheless a mill.

I try not to push my views on others whatsoever, but the fact is most USDA breeders especially in the "puppy mill states" are large scale breeding facilities. The OP seemed to really be concerned about personality traits and attitude and that can be directly related back to the way in which a pup was raised so I think that the information given was pertinent to the question asked.

I am not in the camp that believes all puppy mill dogs are destined to be sickly and ill mannered - I have seen many come from loving homes that still have behavioral issues (much like my McKenzie) whereas my other dogs which were not from ideal situations are more well adjusted. The problem I have with mills is the ethics behind the transactions. I don't feel any live animal (farm, companion, ect) deserve to be treated as a product that is turned out to meet the demand of society.

It is hard in a thread with many people that are opinionated and each want to express their view points because it can *seem* like an attack. Many people that come to post don't realize that not everyone will share their ideas and get quickly offended. In any group there will be those that take it just a bit too far especially when it is with something so close to their heart, but I believe the majority of YT members simply are trying to inform.

[bchgirl]

Moot point....but personally I thought both puppies looked alike..the only difference was the age.

[PrincessDiana]

Originally Posted by Darlin Beauxs

Switching the pups, that is what made me click off of the post before I replied. It was because the other one was cuter or something like that.
What happens when the new puppy isn't cute anymore? It was just offensive to the posters who love their Yorkies like children.

Darcy (my rescue) looks more like Ms. Piggy than a Yorkie, shes got really big eyes and bad teeth, and she is the only Yorkie I have ever seen in my life who has frizzy hair, but she is the sweetest, best behaved baby I have ever had, and I would take her over 2 lb'er any day.

I have two big Yorkies that aren't the prettiest Yorkies. They are nowhere near standard but I wouldn't trade them for the cutest, tiniest, perfect-ist (? ) Yorkies in the world. It is offensive and I think it's shallow and immature.

[yorkiegirl83]

Originally Posted by Darlin Beauxs

Switching the pups, that is what made me click off of the post before I replied. It was because the other one was cuter or something like that.
What happens when the new puppy isn't cute anymore? It was just offensive to the posters who love their Yorkies like children.

Darcy (my rescue) looks more like Ms. Piggy than a Yorkie, shes got really big eyes and bad teeth, and she is the only Yorkie I have ever seen in my life who has frizzy hair, but she is the sweetest, best behaved baby I have ever had, and I would take her over 2 lb'er any day.

Not to be argumentative, but I don't see the issue with wanting a puppy that looks a specific way. We all have aesthetics that we like whether it comes to what we wear, who we date or marry, ect.

Many of us have been drawn to our dogs and yorkies based on their look. Without knowing the personality of the dog also makes the decision be based more on looks because what else do you really have to go by?

[PrincessDiana]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl83

Not to be argumentative, but I don't see the issue with wanting a puppy that looks a specific way. We all have aesthetics that we like whether it comes to what we wear, who we date or marry, ect.

Many of us have been drawn to our dogs and yorkies based on their look. Without knowing the personality of the dog also makes the decision be based more on looks because what else do you really have to go by?

I tried to go back and edit my post because I decided what I said wasn't true. I don't think it's necessarily shallow or immature and I do agree with you to an extent. However, I still disagree with switching out a puppy for a "cuter" one. Puppies will change in their looks and you should look to the parents, not the puppies.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by cj125

OMG Debbie - Dex came from Lincoln, NE? Aww, my daughter was born there. I lived there for 7 yrs.

yeah it was Lambriar Kennels -- i traced his papers back there. I guess Lambriar Kennels provides the puppies to california pet stores I learned this as i wanted to know where he was from so i pulled his papers and did the search. Poor dex-- he is the sweetest boy though so loving and great with everyone.

[Darlin Beauxs]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl83

Not to be argumentative, but I don't see the issue with wanting a puppy that looks a specific way. We all have aesthetics that we like whether it comes to what we wear, who we date or marry, ect.

Many of us have been drawn to our dogs and yorkies based on their look. Without knowing the personality of the dog also makes the decision be based more on looks because what else do you really have to go by?

I don't disagree with what you are saying. It was just her overall tone. She was saying the puppy had an attitude by the picture. They all have attitudes--they are terriers!

Also, Yorkie puppies look NOTHING like they will when they mature. You can't see their eventual color, etc.

I thought Baxter was the most adorable puppy ever, and I look at his pictures now--and oh my gosh-he was hideous. He looked like a miniature German Shepherd! He grew in to his ears, and now he is the largest AND the most beautiful of my pack.

[llcornell]

Originally Posted by Darlin Beauxs

I don't disagree with what you are saying. It was just her overall tone. She was saying the puppy had an attitude by the picture. They all have attitudes--they are terriers!

Also, Yorkie puppies look NOTHING like they will when they mature. You can't see their eventual color, etc.

I thought Baxter was the most adorable puppy ever, and I look at his pictures now--and oh my gosh-he was hideous. He looked like a miniature German Shepherd! He grew in to his ears, and now he is the largest AND the most beautiful of my pack.

I agree
The backyard breeder I purchased Maggie from named her Dumbo and registered her with that name. She was the runt with the BIGGEST ears, shy and scared. She grew into a completely different dog (beautiful and spunky). I got her at a discount because of her "faults". Despite her "genetic faults" I saw her "perfect sister" 6 years later and Maggie was definatly prettier. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I probably would have thought she was perfect no matter what she turned out to look like. All puppies look like rottweilers or german shepards and I dont think you can predict their outcome.
Baxter is beautiful!!!!

[Misti1]

Originally Posted by Bhikku

I personally have been turned off as a new member by some of the self righteousness I've seen in this forum too. While I haven't encountered anything I've seen that would make me leave, there is way too much "my way or the highway" attitude here for comfort...

There are thousands of people on this forum with an equal number of opinions, none exactly like any of the others. Of course we're going to have disagreements over training methods, pet acquisition ethics, diet, news, and breed standards.

But I've seen more than one thread take a negative turn when someone presents a question or opinion and someone else gives a different opinion with the condescending subtext of, "You should do this this way because So-and-So says and this is the way I do it so obviously it's right and your opinion is wrong, wrong, wrong!!" And then a couple of people jump in on the side of the person attacking, turning it into a mugging.

A little more tolerance for differing perspectives is what I think this forum could use.

If somebody isn't going to answer an OP's original question without some patronizing soapbox commentary or a criticism of how they're acquiring/training/raising their dog, I think they ought to just let it go and not reply at all.

Just my two cents.

Disclaimer: I haven't read the entire thread, but this was such a good response I had to stop here.

First of all Wabbit, Kudos to you for starting a thread that was in your heart. After all....it's a message/opinion board, and would die without input.

I needed to say that I started posting on the internet when the internet first became the internet It's something that I truly love to do, and I have been discouraged on a many a website.

But the main thing I want to say is the WRITTEN WORD....I can't tell you how many times I have made a post trying to be helpful, glib, funny, sarcastic (mildly), informative, you name it, and it just comes out differently when it is simply TYPED WORDS, without me there face to face for you to read my original intentions.

Also having met my breeder, I feel that this is a really demanding and tiring business, she also shows dogs which takes it to another level of science. I say this to say that some "yorkie people" who have been doing this for years, know what they know what they know, and PERHAPS in imparting their knowledge/opinion, they come off a bit "strong."

I wish that this lady would come back. I missed the whole thread, and I see it had been erased.

I don't think the "experts" mean any "harm", I just think they are the kind of people who get on here , say what they have to say, and then have a million things to do....sometimes tact goes out the window. But Wabbit, any group of people at any given times need a gentle reminder, and this thread is just that.

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by Wabbit

I read a thread that a newbie (Babylola nyc) had made...regarding which puppy to choose!! What started out as her simply asking for opinions......turned into a free for all debate and attack on her... that ended with her closing her account and leaving YT!....and it WAS an ATTACK on her wanting to purchase a pup from MO! Noone can tell me different!

This is very disheartening to me!! I looked at YT as a great place to find friends, advice and help...I do have serious issues with situations such as this!

While giving advice is one thing...ultimately each decision is a PERSONAL one...and should be left at that! And noone was leaving it at that...facts and information were being repeated and repeated and repeated...enough already!

It's a sad day when people take their advice TOO FAR and run someone OUT OF YT!!!

I wonder how long it will take for me to start an unpopular thread and
have everyone run me out of YT too!

HEY THIS IS PROBABLY THE THREAD!!!!!

Thank you Wabbit!!!!!!! I have way to much stress in my life I thought YT was a good fun place to come to. Not just one person is gone but 2 (the guy with the choc. yorkies also) I think he would have had a lot of good info now we will never know

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by cheryl19

Thank you Wabbit!!!!!!! I have way to much stress in my life I thought YT was a good fun place to come to. Not just one person is gone but 2 (the guy with the choc. yorkies also) I think he would have had a lot of good info now we will never know

IDK, about the attorney that left. But, the guy with the chocolate yorkies is/was a commercial fur supplier. Once I knew that, I really didn't care what information he could have shared.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by jencar98

IDK, about the attorney that left. But, the guy with the chocolate yorkies is/was a commercial fur supplier. Once I knew that, I really didn't care what information he could have shared.

WOW am I missing alot - that sucks