Very disappointed with some YT members!!!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by SamiNFurbabies

You don't have to put yourself in the position to get "tempted". Stay away from petstores and research the breeder before you visit. Simple as that.

I do not ever venture into petstores nor will I purchase ANY item from one either.

[Bhikku]

I completely agree that puppy mills are an abomination. I just think once people realized the OP was starting to get defensive and offended, they should have taken a different approach rather judge her so harshly...with a little more tact, she'd still be a member and she would be able to take advantage of the personal experiences other people have had regarding mill puppies on this site.

However, not all commercial breeders keep their dogs in horrible conditions, just like not all farms are involved in neglect or abuse. It is in the best interest of commercial businesses to keep their stock healthy and useful - it breeds repeat business and diminishes loss and returns. So basically, there is no reason with proper legislation that puppy mills should be the hellholes that they are.

The more diseased and unsocialized the product, the less people will buy it, therefore less profit. Neglecting a commodity decreases its value. A stereotypical puppy mill is indicative of a badly run business.

Commercial breeders would not have the reputation they do if they were yoked with much more stringent regulations regarding the health of animals (mental/emotional/physical), public education (spay/neuter programs, bite prevention, etc...) and other factors which increase the quality of life for the animals and their prospective owners.

But until the day comes when I can know a commercial pup is as healthy, well-adjusted and good-tempered as one out of someone's home, I will always go for the pup who spent its first nights curled up in the floor of somebody's kitchen or bathroom with its mother.

PET STORE PUPPY



I'm a little puppy, so cuddly, sweet and small
I live inside a cage, you see at a Pet Store in the mall.

I'm not an only puppy, my sisters are all here.
My brothers, too, except for onewho died 'cause he was scared.

It's lonely here at nighttime when all the lights go dark,
We tremble in our cages and we whimper and we bark.

But no one comes to hold us or pet our fears away.
We sit all night in terror til the store opens the next day.

We don't remember mama, left so far behind.
she did the best she could for us til Man said "It is time"

He crammed us all in cages too small for us you see.
We rode for hours; we could not help but lay in poop and pee.

And now we sit in a pet store where kids come to taunt and squeeze.
They do not hear our whimpers or understand our pleas.

We're miserable and it's scary here; we all would rather die.
But since we don't we do our best to run away and hide.

I know you think my story too sad to leave me be.
You want to take me home with you, a happy little puppy.

But please, though it is fearful to live here against our will.
If you take me that leaves a spot another pup will fill.

You CAN stop our suffering but NOT by taking us home.
You must be strong and leave us here, unsold and all alone.

For if you do not take me, then another pup won't come.
And maybe he will not be shipped so far away from home.

Though some of us may not survive the cycle 'ere it falls.
If we DON'T sell, they will NOT need more puppies in these halls.

And if they need NO puppies, then the Man will NOT bring more.
Eventually, it CAN all STOP! You CANclose the door.

So when you see a puppy face so sad and sweet and small.
In a cage at a pet store at your neighborhood shopping mall.

The best thing you can do for him is leave him sitting there.
That is the best way you can tell all dogs how much you care.

- Author Unknown

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by cj125

Exactly. You said it better than I did.

I didn't know about any of this until after we got Mia from Petland, she got sick, and hubby found YorkieTalk. And, like alot of us will admit, I wish I would have had the info beforehand. Not that I wish I hadn't gotten Mia, just that the circumstances would have been different.

This is how i found out about groups is when dex had pancreatitis I was so distraught and did not know what to do as he kept relapsing so i called someone i met from a pet expo i went to and he asked me to join his yahoo group and then someone on that group introduced me to yorkietalk. I think alot of us found these groups due to sick babies and why i got so mad on a group because people wanted to sweep it under the rug and not discuss health issues to new pet owners because i guess it was going to affect the selling of their puppies or something. I was very hurt by this as I think people need to be informed and it will lessen the amount turned in to rescues if people are informed.

[jlafred]

Originally Posted by Wabbit

I totally agree!!! I didn't mean to insinuate that EVERYONE was mean or tactless.... There were alot of other nice posts that actually tried to answer her question!

I was going to try to PM her...but it appears that she closed out her YT account...so nothing can be done to help bring her back...unless someone else has any ideas??

And I'm not going to harp on this subject either....I just felt I had to address that "thread gone wrong"....and I do understand that ALOT of people had good intentions...it's just too bad that it went so sour!!

Do you remember her username? I know a few others (friends) that have pet sites and maybe she will show up there...it is such a shame that she left.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by TLC

Thank you...and ya know what, I am sorry that she left and decided not be a member anymore. And I hope everyone goes back and truly, truly reads the posts carefully, word for word...The breeder was being treated as if they were royalty - explain this to me How does a USDA breeder go from being a mass producer to a god I guess I am plain old dumb...maybe I haven't learned anything in the past 3/5 years, maybe being obsessed with Yorkies and Yorkietalk and Animals Rights just hasn't done a darn thing for me....Maybe I should tell that to my brother who is going on 3 years in the Marines...Hey Adrain, it doesn't matter...Will that fly I didn't think so....

Nicole - Some people just won't "get it" until it happens to them. All any of us can do is try to give them the information. You have alot of experience and knowledge and please don't let this keep you from sharing it with the next newbie! Far too many people have left here because of the backlash from giving important information. That is what this site is for. There are games and gift exchanges and even meet-ups... but the most important thing about this site is that it has first hand knowledge and passion! PRICELESS!!!

Here's a big hug

[Wabbit]

Originally Posted by jlafred

Do you remember her username? I know a few others (friends) that have pet sites and maybe she will show up there...it is such a shame that she left.

All I know about her is her YT id was: Babylola nyc

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Bhikku

I completely agree that puppy mills are an abomination. I just think once people realized the OP was starting to get defensive and offended, they should have taken a different approach rather judge her so harshly...with a little more tact, she'd still be a member and she would be able to take advantage of the personal experiences other people have had regarding mill puppies on this site.

However, not all commercial breeders keep their dogs in horrible conditions, just like not all farms are involved in neglect or abuse. It is in the best interest of commercial businesses to keep their stock healthy and useful - it breeds repeat business and diminishes loss and returns. So basically, there is no reason with proper legislation that puppy mills should be the hellholes that they are.

The more diseased and unsocialized the product, the less people will buy it, therefore less profit. Neglecting a commodity decreases its value. A stereotypical puppy mill is indicative of a badly run business.

Commercial breeders would not have the reputation they do if they were yoked with much more stringent regulations regarding the health of animals (mental/emotional/physical), public education (spay/neuter programs, bite prevention, etc...) and other factors which increase the quality of life for the animals and their prospective owners.

But until the day comes when I can know a commercial pup is as healthy, well-adjusted and good-tempered as one out of someone's home, I will always go for the pup who spent its first nights curled up in the floor of somebody's kitchen or bathroom with its mother.

PET STORE PUPPY



I'm a little puppy, so cuddly, sweet and small
I live inside a cage, you see at a Pet Store in the mall.

I'm not an only puppy, my sisters are all here.
My brothers, too, except for onewho died 'cause he was scared.

It's lonely here at nighttime when all the lights go dark,
We tremble in our cages and we whimper and we bark.

But no one comes to hold us or pet our fears away.
We sit all night in terror til the store opens the next day.

We don't remember mama, left so far behind.
she did the best she could for us til Man said "It is time"

He crammed us all in cages too small for us you see.
We rode for hours; we could not help but lay in poop and pee.

And now we sit in a pet store where kids come to taunt and squeeze.
They do not hear our whimpers or understand our pleas.

We're miserable and it's scary here; we all would rather die.
But since we don't we do our best to run away and hide.

I know you think my story too sad to leave me be.
You want to take me home with you, a happy little puppy.

But please, though it is fearful to live here against our will.
If you take me that leaves a spot another pup will fill.

You CAN stop our suffering but NOT by taking us home.
You must be strong and leave us here, unsold and all alone.

For if you do not take me, then another pup won't come.
And maybe he will not be shipped so far away from home.

Though some of us may not survive the cycle 'ere it falls.
If we DON'T sell, they will NOT need more puppies in these halls.

And if they need NO puppies, then the Man will NOT bring more.
Eventually, it CAN all STOP! You CANclose the door.

So when you see a puppy face so sad and sweet and small.
In a cage at a pet store at your neighborhood shopping mall.

The best thing you can do for him is leave him sitting there.
That is the best way you can tell all dogs how much you care.

- Author Unknown

That is excellent - thanks so much for sharing that as i had never read that before - makes me sad though as i think of my dex ;( he hates to go in the car and gets car sick and sometimes i wonder if it was from him coming her from lincoln nebraska on a truck my two girls love car rides but dex hates them

[Darlin Beauxs]

Originally Posted by SamiNFurbabies

I don't know. I think that people were trying to give her good advice and they were well intentioned--- but she wasn't having it so it should have been left there, I guess. I posted a few things---but I basically held my tounge during the whole thread because I didn't agree with the op at all. But YT still rocks! And everyone is very supportive and means well.

I read her post, and thank goodness I clicked off of it and DID NOT reply. It sounded to me like she was wanting a "tiny" yorkie, and she wanted the Yorkie to be a certain way, blah blah. All puppies pretty much are hyper and in to everything...when they get a little older you can see their personalities. I got the sense the dog was a fashion accessory.

I personally get sick of the "my dog is so little" or "I only want a little yorkie" posts. (And I'm not saying this is what she was saying at all) If you truly love the breed, and you are looking for a pet, why should it matter?

If you come to a public place and ask for advice, you can't control what you are going to hear...point blank.

[bchgirl]

For the record....she left voluntarily....if she wants to come back...all she has to do is contact admin. And that's only if she wants to use her original user ID....

[Wabbit]

I personally get sick of the "my dog is so little" or "I only want a little yorkie" posts. (And I'm not saying this is what she was saying at all) If you truly love the breed, and you are looking for a pet, why should it matter?

If you come to a public place and ask for advice, you can't control what you are going to hear...point blank.
__________________

I don't recall size having anything to do with her thread Amy...her question was should she get the puppy she reserved or a new one the breeder offered her.....she didn't really like the look of her first one after it had gotten older....but it turned into a debate on "where" she was getting her pup..not which one...she should get...which was her original question.


And I seriously doubt she'll come back..lol

[TLC]

Originally Posted by SamiNFurbabies

I understand about the poor little puppies---however, if I thought that was the best way to "rescue"---i'd be going out getting poor little puppies because they are cute...however, the only way to put these petstores out of business is to stop supporting them. If they don't have any financial incentive---they will stop business.
My Izze was supposedly from one of those bad breeders or mills... until she was four years old. That is unacceptable to me! And I don't understand how people go and continue to buy from there, knowingly. To me, it's just laziness. You don't have to put yourself in the position to get "tempted". Stay away from petstores and research the breeder before you visit. Simple as that.

I said that because of the comment about that EVERY here DOES NOT support Puppymills, except when there's a cute pup to save in a Petshop....

I am for saving the parents FIRST, which will save the pups from ever having to be in a Petshop.

I guess what I was trying to say is that those people that are against Puppymill have to be against saving the pup. They can't have BOTH. You have to fight for the parents, fight to shut down and stop the support of Mass Commercial Breeders and then we be able to save the pup

So, yes I do agree with you...

I won't even go into a Pet store that sells pups/kittens. I wouldn't even use their bathroom to pee on the floor, that's how much I am against supporting the Petshop

[jlafred]

Originally Posted by Wabbit

All I know about her is her YT id was: Babylola nyc

Thanks, I will keep an eye out for her. There is tooo much good info on here to leave over one bad experience!

[Darlin Beauxs]

Originally Posted by Wabbit

I don't recall size having anything to do with her thread Amy...her question was should she get the puppy she reserved or a new one the breeder offered her.....she didn't really like the look of her first one after it had gotten older....but it turned into a debate on "where" she was getting her pup..not which one...she should get...which was her original question.


And I seriously doubt she'll come back..lol

Tammy,

If you read what I wrote, I said that I wasn't accusing her of looking for a tiny, I was just stating something that people talk about on here that gets my hackles up.

There is a verse in Proverbs (of course I can't think of it now) about a wise man taking advice. Everyone was trying to educate her BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE about puppy mills.

I have a thread on here about Holiday traditions, an I mentioned we feed our pups from the table that day. What I didn't say, and should have, is that we only feed them the white meat, no skin or gravy. Another poster came behind me and wrote about how easy Yorkies can get Pancreatitis from fatty foods. A couple of people tried to defend me, but she was right.

I went back and corrected myself and said what we actually fed them, in case others didn't know. I have had Pancreatitis myself, and was in the hospital for 5 days,and thought I was dying I hurt that bad.

This is what so great about online communities. We can all learn from each other.

[QuickSilver]

To be honest, I was a bit put off by the idea of switching out puppies which is why I didn't post on the original thread. It sounds like none of us knew her personally though, so I think it's important not to assume that we do know her or can fully judge her motivations.

I did learn a lot in that thread, and this one. I consider myself to be reasonably knowledgable about dogs, but I did not know much about Yorkies. As I've mentioned, I kind of inherited mine from a coworker who yes, bought him in a pet store. At the time, she told me that he was a teacup - I did not know there was no such thing as a teacup yorkie until I came here. In fact, many times when I've been out walking him, people have asked me about his size, and I told them all that he's a teacup! So I've misinformed like 50 people.

My coworker also told me that teacups are usually not healthy, but that they are so cute that people keep breeding them. I bit my tongue at that, thinking why would someone ever perpetuate an unhealthy strain of dog, no matter how cute they are? However, since I know her in real life and not the internet, a couple things were different: first, I didn't go off on her, because we are generally much more restrained with people we maintain relationships with; second, I know that she's a very nice person, even if she did make some mistakes when buying her dog. Fortunately, this yorkie is very healthy.

If you can educate people without implying they have character defects, they will be much more likely to listen. Like, I might tell my coworker, hey, I found out that reputable breeders don't use the term teacup yorkies, but I wouldn't say, I can't believe you were so callous and misguided as to buy a pet store puppy.

Remember also that as we judge people, people can judge us. I volunteer at an animal shelter, and the people there would argue that you should never buy from a breeder when there are so many animals out there who need to be rescued. We might feel really strongly about someone's decision, but it's important to remember that none of us can say absolutely what is right or wrong.

[Wabbit]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

To be honest, I was a bit put off by the idea of switching out puppies which is why I didn't post on the original thread. It sounds like none of us knew her personally though, so I think it's important not to assume that we do know her or can fully judge her motivations.

I did learn a lot in that thread, and this one. I consider myself to be reasonably knowledgable about dogs, but I did not know much about Yorkies. As I've mentioned, I kind of inherited mine from a coworker who yes, bought him in a pet store. At the time, she told me that he was a teacup - I did not know there was no such thing as a teacup yorkie until I came here. In fact, many times when I've been out walking him, people have asked me about his size, and I told them all that he's a teacup! So I've misinformed like 50 people.

My coworker also told me that teacups are usually not healthy, but that they are so cute that people keep breeding them. I bit my tongue at that, thinking why would someone ever perpetuate an unhealthy strain of dog, no matter how cute they are? However, since I know her in real life and not the internet, a couple things were different: first, I didn't go off on her, because we are generally much more restrained with people we maintain relationships with; second, I know that she's a very nice person, even if she did make some mistakes when buying her dog. Fortunately, this yorkie is very healthy.

If you can educate people without implying they have character defects, they will be much more likely to listen. Like, I might tell my coworker, hey, I found out that reputable breeders don't use the term teacup yorkies, but I wouldn't say, I can't believe you were so callous and misguided as to buy a pet store puppy.

Remember also that as we judge people, people can judge us. I volunteer at an animal shelter, and the people there would argue that you should never buy from a breeder when there are so many animals out there who need to be rescued. We might feel really strongly about someone's decision, but it's important to remember that none of us can say absolutely what is right or wrong.