I do not ever venture into petstores nor will I purchase ANY item from one either.

I completely agree that puppy mills are an abomination. I just think once people realized the OP was starting to get defensive and offended, they should have taken a different approach rather judge her so harshly...with a little more tact, she'd still be a member and she would be able to take advantage of the personal experiences other people have had regarding mill puppies on this site.

However, not all commercial breeders keep their dogs in horrible conditions, just like not all farms are involved in neglect or abuse. It is in the best interest of commercial businesses to keep their stock healthy and useful - it breeds repeat business and diminishes loss and returns. So basically, there is no reason with proper legislation that puppy mills should be the hellholes that they are.

The more diseased and unsocialized the product, the less people will buy it, therefore less profit. Neglecting a commodity decreases its value. A stereotypical puppy mill is indicative of a badly run business.

Commercial breeders would not have the reputation they do if they were yoked with much more stringent regulations regarding the health of animals (mental/emotional/physical), public education (spay/neuter programs, bite prevention, etc...) and other factors which increase the quality of life for the animals and their prospective owners.

But until the day comes when I can know a commercial pup is as healthy, well-adjusted and good-tempered as one out of someone's home, I will always go for the pup who spent its first nights curled up in the floor of somebody's kitchen or bathroom with its mother. :animal-pa

This is how i found out about groups is when dex had pancreatitis I was so distraught and did not know what to do as he kept relapsing so i called someone i met from a pet expo i went to and he asked me to join his yahoo group and then someone on that group introduced me to yorkietalk. I think alot of us found these groups due to sick babies and why i got so mad on a group because people wanted to sweep it under the rug and not discuss health issues to new pet owners because i guess it was going to affect the selling of their puppies or something. I was very hurt by this as I think people need to be informed and it will lessen the amount turned in to rescues if people are informed.

Do you remember her username? I know a few others (friends) that have pet sites and maybe she will show up there...it is such a shame that she left.:dogwalk:

Nicole - Some people just won't "get it" until it happens to them. All any of us can do is try to give them the information. You have alot of experience and knowledge and please don't let this keep you from sharing it with the next newbie! Far too many people have left here because of the backlash from giving important information. That is what this site is for. There are games and gift exchanges and even meet-ups... but the most important thing about this site is that it has first hand knowledge and passion! PRICELESS!!!

Here's a big hug :hug:

All I know about her is her YT id was: Babylola nyc

That is excellent - thanks so much for sharing that as i had never read that before - makes me sad though as i think of my dex ;( he hates to go in the car and gets car sick and sometimes i wonder if it was from him coming her from lincoln nebraska on a truck :( my two girls love car rides but dex hates them

I read her post, and thank goodness I clicked off of it and DID NOT reply. It sounded to me like she was wanting a "tiny" yorkie, and she wanted the Yorkie to be a certain way, blah blah. All puppies pretty much are hyper and in to everything...when they get a little older you can see their personalities. I got the sense the dog was a fashion accessory.

I personally get sick of the "my dog is so little" or "I only want a little yorkie" posts. (And I'm not saying this is what she was saying at all) If you truly love the breed, and you are looking for a pet, why should it matter?

If you come to a public place and ask for advice, you can't control what you are going to hear...point blank.

For the record....she left voluntarily....if she wants to come back...all she has to do is contact admin. And that's only if she wants to use her original user ID....

I don't recall size having anything to do with her thread Amy...her question was should she get the puppy she reserved or a new one the breeder offered her.....she didn't really like the look of her first one after it had gotten older....but it turned into a debate on "where" she was getting her pup..not which one...she should get...which was her original question.


And I seriously doubt she'll come back..lol

I said that because of the comment about that EVERY here DOES NOT support Puppymills, except when there's a cute pup to save in a Petshop....

I am for saving the parents FIRST, which will save the pups from ever having to be in a Petshop.

I guess what I was trying to say is that those people that are against Puppymill have to be against saving the pup. They can't have BOTH. You have to fight for the parents, fight to shut down and stop the support of Mass Commercial Breeders and then we be able to save the pup :(

So, yes I do agree with you...

I won't even go into a Pet store that sells pups/kittens. I wouldn't even use their bathroom to pee on the floor, that's how much I am against supporting the Petshop :mad:

:thumbs upThanks, I will keep an eye out for her. There is tooo much good info on here to leave over one bad experience! :thumbs up:we're #1:

Tammy,

If you read what I wrote, I said that I wasn't accusing her of looking for a tiny, I was just stating something that people talk about on here that gets my hackles up.

There is a verse in Proverbs (of course I can't think of it now) about a wise man taking advice. Everyone was trying to educate her BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE about puppy mills.

I have a thread on here about Holiday traditions, an I mentioned we feed our pups from the table that day. What I didn't say, and should have, is that we only feed them the white meat, no skin or gravy. Another poster came behind me and wrote about how easy Yorkies can get Pancreatitis from fatty foods. A couple of people tried to defend me, but she was right.

I went back and corrected myself and said what we actually fed them, in case others didn't know. I have had Pancreatitis myself, and was in the hospital for 5 days,and thought I was dying I hurt that bad.

This is what so great about online communities. We can all learn from each other.

To be honest, I was a bit put off by the idea of switching out puppies which is why I didn't post on the original thread. It sounds like none of us knew her personally though, so I think it's important not to assume that we do know her or can fully judge her motivations.

I did learn a lot in that thread, and this one. I consider myself to be reasonably knowledgable about dogs, but I did not know much about Yorkies. As I've mentioned, I kind of inherited mine from a coworker who yes, bought him in a pet store. At the time, she told me that he was a teacup - I did not know there was no such thing as a teacup yorkie until I came here. In fact, many times when I've been out walking him, people have asked me about his size, and I told them all that he's a teacup! So I've misinformed like 50 people.

My coworker also told me that teacups are usually not healthy, but that they are so cute that people keep breeding them. I bit my tongue at that, thinking why would someone ever perpetuate an unhealthy strain of dog, no matter how cute they are? However, since I know her in real life and not the internet, a couple things were different: first, I didn't go off on her, because we are generally much more restrained with people we maintain relationships with; second, I know that she's a very nice person, even if she did make some mistakes when buying her dog. Fortunately, this yorkie is very healthy.

If you can educate people without implying they have character defects, they will be much more likely to listen. Like, I might tell my coworker, hey, I found out that reputable breeders don't use the term teacup yorkies, but I wouldn't say, I can't believe you were so callous and misguided as to buy a pet store puppy.

Remember also that as we judge people, people can judge us. I volunteer at an animal shelter, and the people there would argue that you should never buy from a breeder when there are so many animals out there who need to be rescued. We might feel really strongly about someone's decision, but it's important to remember that none of us can say absolutely what is right or wrong.

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