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Breezeaway 08-29-2008 06:01 PM

I received this email, I wont say from whom but would you consider it an attack?
She Wrote::You know his coloring is a disqualification to the breed? Why would anyone
want to breed a major fault, (and according to AKC breed standard it is
literally a disqualification)for the betterment of the breed? It doesn't
matter what his blood line looks like, the fact that his colors are a
complete disqualification to the breed standard is enough for any
RESPONSIBLE breeder to not breed to.

I replied ::that it wasnt any of her business, and if she couldnt say anything nice ,dont say anything at all.

She replied:I made no derogatory comment except there is no way that is a full blooded yorkie. If we did DNA tests properly on that line, there is definitely one that is not properly documented. Ask any breeder; there is no way on that coloring especially with it being a fault. Good luck with your breedings.

megansmomma 08-29-2008 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2210355)
I received this email, I wont say from whom but would you consider it an attack?
She Wrote::You know his coloring is a disqualification to the breed? Why would anyone
want to breed a major fault, (and according to AKC breed standard it is
literally a disqualification)for the betterment of the breed? It doesn't
matter what his blood line looks like, the fact that his colors are a
complete disqualification to the breed standard is enough for any
RESPONSIBLE breeder to not breed to.

I replied ::that it wasnt any of her business, and if she couldnt say anything nice ,dont say anything at all.

She replied:I made no derogatory comment except there is no way that is a full blooded yorkie. If we did DNA tests properly on that line, there is definitely one that is not properly documented. Ask any breeder; there is no way on that coloring especially with it being a fault. Good luck with your breedings.

It is an attack because it was unsolicated on your part. If you had ASKED for her opinion of the breeding program then that is a different story. I just commented to you the other day how beautiful I thought your dog was and that is still my opinion today.:)

NanaDtreasures 08-29-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2210355)
I received this email, I wont say from whom but would you consider it an attack?
She Wrote::You know his coloring is a disqualification to the breed? Why would anyone
want to breed a major fault, (and according to AKC breed standard it is
literally a disqualification)for the betterment of the breed? It doesn't
matter what his blood line looks like, the fact that his colors are a
complete disqualification to the breed standard is enough for any
RESPONSIBLE breeder to not breed to.

I replied ::that it wasnt any of her business, and if she couldnt say anything nice ,dont say anything at all.

She replied:I made no derogatory comment except there is no way that is a full blooded yorkie. If we did DNA tests properly on that line, there is definitely one that is not properly documented. Ask any breeder; there is no way on that coloring especially with it being a fault. Good luck with your breedings.

If this is about the dog in your avatar...
Its beautiful !!!!
Dont let it bother you hun

ButterflyKisses 08-29-2008 06:25 PM

mixing the breeds
 
Here is a post that I just posted on another thread of someone asking about "Morkies". Just a note before I put it here - a "mutt" is a dog that has many different breeds - who knows what - so you really can't "predict" the personality of the dog. The mixing of two purebred dogs will allow you to know more what the traits of this particular mix of two purebred dogs will be like. This is also how all breeds were created - experimenting with breeding the different breeds together to find the dog that has the traits wanted. NOT all breeds are old breeds. Even older Breeds like Griffons had continued to be "altered" by adding other breeds - I have read in a Griffon book - I didn't say this but read it - that the intelligence's of the Griffon was lessoned when the Yorkie was added to it - yes the modern day Griffon has some Yorkie. So here is the post - hope it helps - it just things I have learned in quest for the answers to some questions.

An "F1" "Morkie" is a morkie that has a purebred Yorkie as one parent and a purebred Maltese as one parent. You can register these "designer puppies" with three different "designer dog" registries that do not try to say they are purebred dogs but that both parents are purebred dogs. These registries are United All Breed, American Canine Hybred Club, and American Canine association. There may be others. NO - AKC will not recognize these dogs - but then again, there are purebred dogs that AKC took a long time in allowing in, such as Jack Russel's and Cavaliers - not that I think they will ever recognize the "designer puppy"

The reason people want a purebred dog is that each purebred dog will have certain traits that you can be pretty certain will be in that purebred puppy if the purebred is bred correctly. When you get a Morkie - you are going to want to look at why a Morkie might be more the dog for you then a Purebred Yorkie or Maltese. Yorkies and Maltese are both very similar in a lot of ways: Size, grooming, etc. The very biggest difference that I have found in a Maltese vs a Yorkie - I have a Yorkie as a house pet and my daughter has a Maltese - and I have seen this same thing in other's Maltese and Yorkies - is that a Maltese (usually) really wants to please you - because a Maltese wants to please you, they tend to be more easily trainable - a Yorkie (usually) tends to want to be the one to be pleased - thus sometimes making a Yorkie much harder to train, especially to house break. I'd never give my little Yorkie girl up - she's my baby after all my "babies" have left home making me an "empty nester", but at 3 years old, she is "her own little dog" and will not house break. I'm sure there are some Yorkies that do house break easier and some Maltese that are harder to house break.

The other thing about combining - and this might get some "slack" from those that are "purebred only" people, is that when you increase the "gene pool" you will have a much higher likely hood that you WILL NOT get the problems that just tend to be for Yorkies or just tend to be for Maltese. All purebred dogs have their own high possibility of problems due to the very small gene pool in a particular litter. You can argue to the "sky" about this but the vets have a name for that and any vet will be able to explain to you why can actually will make a healthier dog by breeding two purebred dogs. They do this with other animals also to make a "stronger" animal with less health problems and other not as many other weaknesses. Almost all (not completely all) the bad traits of any dog will tend to be recessive genes (back dew claws are dominate) so if you have purebred dogs you will have a larger chance to get 2 recessive genes when breeding the purebred. You might not have realized you even had a parent dog with this recessive gene unless you sorry to say - breed with another dog that has this recessive gene. Then you will possibly have some puppies - it's based on the genes that the puppy gets - that will then have what ever the problems was from the two recessive genes coming together. Out of 4 puppies you might just have two puppies that have a problem and a puppy that will not have any recessive gene and a puppy that has only one recessive gene - you can get any number of different combinations like this in the 4 puppies. Genetics was my favorite part of college biology and I still tend to delve into it and I find it very interesting.

Morkies are very cute and they can be more like one of the two breeds in looks while being more like the other breed in personality. The personality part is not one that you will know about as easily when you just get a 10 to 12 week old puppy. But over all you can have a good idea about the personality of a Morkie as long as is it an F1 Morkie. Once you are not breeding a purebred to a purebred, you really lose more of the ability to know the traits. I do know people that have Morkies and they are as happy with their Morkie babies as the people I know that have and love their Yorkie babies. :)

Hope this helps.

C C Kent 08-29-2008 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 2210353)
To compare a puppy to a car....is like saying a Morkie or cross bred dog owner shouldn't be here, is NOT what I think YT is about.

I cant believe how off topic this thread went...
I feel sorry...as I always do for the OP.

The comparison was to the interests that form an online community, and the expectations of acceptance when those interests are challenged. The OP started a thread asking about Designer Puppies, this thread is posted on a site devoted and NAMED for a particular purebred dog. The OP even stated in the opening line that she expected to get her butt chewed. Later we have posts lamenting that some don't approve of the mixing, and that hurts the feelings of those who do approve. ANY time you ask for opinions you have to consider who you are asking right? That is what the analogy is about. This thread has been redundant, even heated on occasion but overall the opinions have been well stated and on point. I think anyone who expected it to go any other way is either very new...or not realistic.

ButterflyKisses 08-29-2008 06:42 PM

Wouldn't it be a boring world if we all were the same. On an issue like this I think we all an give our opinion - respectfully - and agree that we might disagree. I have seen forums say that if the issue is too "emotional" to be respectful - then better to stay off that forum.

C C Kent 08-29-2008 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2210355)
I received this email, I wont say from whom but would you consider it an attack?
She Wrote::You know his coloring is a disqualification to the breed? Why would anyone
want to breed a major fault, (and according to AKC breed standard it is
literally a disqualification)for the betterment of the breed? It doesn't
matter what his blood line looks like, the fact that his colors are a
complete disqualification to the breed standard is enough for any
RESPONSIBLE breeder to not breed to.

I replied ::that it wasnt any of her business, and if she couldnt say anything nice ,dont say anything at all.

She replied:I made no derogatory comment except there is no way that is a full blooded yorkie. If we did DNA tests properly on that line, there is definitely one that is not properly documented. Ask any breeder; there is no way on that coloring especially with it being a fault. Good luck with your breedings.

That picture is enough to strike jealousy into the heart the sender, take it as a compliment. I would blow that picture up and hang it on the wall.

megansmomma 08-29-2008 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2210473)
That picture is enough to strike jealousy into the heart the sender, take it as a compliment. I would blow that picture up and hang it on the wall.


Or take him with you everywhere you go as a fashion statement.:dribble:

YorkichonBella 08-29-2008 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2210355)
I received this email, I wont say from whom but would you consider it an attack?
She Wrote::You know his coloring is a disqualification to the breed? Why would anyone
want to breed a major fault, (and according to AKC breed standard it is
literally a disqualification)for the betterment of the breed? It doesn't
matter what his blood line looks like, the fact that his colors are a
complete disqualification to the breed standard is enough for any
RESPONSIBLE breeder to not breed to.

I replied ::that it wasnt any of her business, and if she couldnt say anything nice ,dont say anything at all.

She replied:I made no derogatory comment except there is no way that is a full blooded yorkie. If we did DNA tests properly on that line, there is definitely one that is not properly documented. Ask any breeder; there is no way on that coloring especially with it being a fault. Good luck with your breedings.

Yr baby in the avatar pic is absolutely Gorgeous!:thumbup: I've admired the pic before.;) This person went to extra effort just to be hurtful!! :( Then for some reason, these type always defend themselves by their philosophy of it not being a derogatory comment!:eek: They need to set a "standard" for themselves in the way of kindness.

durtymydawg 08-29-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2208989)
making excuses for repeat breedings after a csection
lots of reasons to try again..
but in my opinion it is wrong.
YOUR OPINION....TRUE.

dogs give birth the same way women do..
so that is a comparable point
uterus, placenta, birth canal...
the anatomy is similar
VERY TRUE AGAIN....AND IF SO, THEN YOUR NEXT STATEMENT SHOULD APPLY TO WOMAN ALSO...

the need for a csection is a sign that she should not be bred..
WHEN A WOMAN NEEDS A CSECTION THE DR. SHOULD SPAY HER ALSO....


why is it ok to breed a female under 5lbs? all of a sudden.?
it has been repeated over and over by reputable caring, experienced
breeders on yt.... do not breed a female under 5 lbs..WEIGHT IS JUST AN STARTING POINT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE FEMALE AND WHAT YOUR BREEDING IT TO.

but the greeders want tcups....YOUR OPINION....
and they are willing to take the chance
putting their beloved pets life on the line.
is it a pet or a commodity to be used to make money
COULD BE THERE BUSINESS....MAYBE NOT YOUR DECISION TO MAKE. Why is what someone else chooses to do with their animal everyone else decisions? You people...meaning in general...feel its so terrible to make a dime of breeding an animal...if so then don't breed and don't judge what someone else decides to do!!! MY OPINION!!!! If the shoe fits then wear it. Other wise don't take offense.

free whelping or spay your female...AGAIN YOUR CHOICE.

by the way..dirty dog.. males get neutered and females get spayed...NO KIDDING, I'M NOT THAT STUPID...

Just thought I'd ad some touches to your post....I wasn't born yesterday, sorry if I sound a little miff'd. Downsizing of animals has been a practice for many of years...just didn't start yesterday and in any type of animal. I am so sick of people criticizing what everyone else is doing....I certainly don't judge what anyone else does and what there dog looks like...maybe there yorkie has big ears or tiny eyes or poor hair quality or too long of a nose...or thery body is too long..but still in the end its there dog...and what they do with it is there business...not mine. JMO :(:thumbdown:thumbdown

durtymydawg 08-29-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2209232)
BamaFan this is all common sense type stuff if you want to try and compare female human to a female dog. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.

This is why I find this thread that started out as designer dogs and now has jumped to humans and animals. I know most people would like to think their dog is human, but they are NOT. Sorry, but I refuse to be compared to a B @@## as one poster stated. I do take a offense to that as others should.

This so funny to me and I have to agree. I have been laughing so hard. After all a dog uterous is not the same as a human....and a woman don't normally produce litters...the have twins or triplets and etc. from time to time but not on a day to day basis...dogs are designed to have and carry multiple puppies and also carry them in both uterine horns...the left and right. But sometimes they only carry them on one side....thus maybe causing the need for a c-section like in my case that I posted....and that is why I'd chance it again so call me an idiot...I don't care, but atleast I know why or think why my "BITCH" ended up needing a csection with the remaining litter of pups....;):thumbup:

durtymydawg 08-29-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2209232)
BamaFan this is all common sense type stuff if you want to try and compare female human to a female dog. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.

This is why I find this thread that started out as designer dogs and now has jumped to humans and animals. I know most people would like to think their dog is human, but they are NOT. Sorry, but I refuse to be compared to a B @@## as one poster stated. I do take a offense to that as others should.

This so funny to me and I have to agree. I have been laughing so hard. After all a dog uterous is not the same as a human....and a woman don't normally produce litters...the have twins or triplets and etc. from time to time but not on a day to day basis...dogs are designed to have and carry multiple puppies and also carry them in both uterine horns...the left and right. But sometimes they only carry them on one side....thus maybe causing the need for a c-section like in my case that I posted....and that is why I'd chance it again so call me an idiot...I don't care, but atleast I know why or think why my "BITCH" ended up needing a csection with the remaining litter of pups....Has anyone ever asked what the positioning of the pups was when they needed a csection??? ;):thumbup:

cesar49 08-29-2008 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durtymydawg (Post 2210644)
Just thought I'd ad some touches to your post....I wasn't born yesterday, sorry if I sound a little miff'd. Downsizing of animals has been a practice for many of years...just didn't start yesterday and in any type of animal. I am so sick of people criticizing what everyone else is doing....I certainly don't judge what anyone else does and what there dog looks like...maybe there yorkie has big ears or tiny eyes or poor hair quality or too long of a nose...or thery body is too long..but still in the end its there dog...and what they do with it is there business...not mine. JMO :(:thumbdown:thumbdown

well.. it is true that breeders have to be responsible in choosing the
dogs they breed and not just willy nilly put them together.. and take chances unnecessarily..
sorry if people dont recognize a simple debate on these important issues..
constructive criticism should be welcomed..
your statements do indicate that standards might not be important
but they are...especially to the good breeders.
maybe do some more reading and research
for the betterment of the breed if you are breeding..
when you post on a public forum.. you are open to all opinions
take them or leave them:p
it is your decision to make with your dogs:animal-pa

durtymydawg 08-29-2008 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2209728)
I would just like to comment on this thread since I was one of the very first people to comment on this question that was posed to the forum. Over the past week, I have come back here several time to look over many of the comments made back and forth between some members of this forum. I own a MORKIE~or a maltese/yorkie mix and am also the owner of a larger yorkie who is 12 lbs. Many people that have posted to this thread would disappove of both of my dogs but I still love them.

For the past week this thread has been at the VERY TOP of the General Discussion forum. With that being said, when I was a lurker as I was for over a year reading all of the arguing, name calling and down right mean spirited behavior that has been said over the past week, it would have made me RUN from this wonderful forum. The impression that is given by a handful of members within this commumity is not welcoming. :(

Prior to bringing home my first yorkie I was looking for information on this breed and if I would have come here to see all of this negative banter, I would never have returned. That is sad since I have learned so much very useful information from the many nice, friendly and caring people here. :)

I understand NOW after learning from YT that their is a standard for the Yorkie, there are backyard breeders and puppymills~I learned that HERE on YT while lurking. I was also fortunate enough not to come across anything like this thread when I first stumbled upon this site. I would have RUN from this type of group.

There seems to be a group of posters on here that find a rush in jumping into a discussion to just bash away without regard to how their strong feels might offend others or cause ill feelings. Some people will try to defend themselve to this type of behavior but others will just leave and never return. I have seen this with new member that have been jumped on when they were trying to find information only to be driven away. I have also posted to a thread and had these same people post negative comments and make a nice thread turn ugly very quickly. I do not believe that this is why this community was started.

When names like "mutt" :thumbdown are tossed around people will take offense, when the only place to get a mixed breed is the pound, people will take offense, if your yorkie is large and not standard, people will take offense. If I am told that the pet that I have opened my home to and love whole heartedly is not as valuable as yours~yes I will take offense to that as well.
If you look at my very first post it referred to others with Morkies and it was totally overlooked and the bashing and fighting began! This is all very sad!:(

If I came to your home and told you that I didn't like you how you raised your children, the car that you drove or the way you kept your home you would take offense. It really is the same thing here, our dogs are part of our lives and families and when you attack something or someone that we love it is only a natural human instict called fight or flight.

I am not looking for a fight only understanding to others feelings.


WOW....you said it...and I'm so agreeing with you. I felt the same way your stating it...after all I started this post to see and understand how people felt, boy I sure got the message. Its a shame and you hit the head on the nail. But I do admit, I did feel like not coming back. Thank you for writing a excellent and true statement.:thumbup:

durtymydawg 08-29-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2210669)
well.. it is true that breeders have to be responsible in choosing the
dogs they breed and not just willy nilly put them together.. and take chances unnecessarily..
sorry if people dont recognize a simple debate on these important issues..
constructive criticism should be welcomed..


your statements do indicate that standards might not be important
but they are...especially to the good breeders.



maybe do some more reading and research
for the betterment of the breed if you are breeding..
when you post on a public forum.. you are open to all opinions
take them or leave them:p
it is your decision to make with your dogs:animal-pa

There again your implications makes people think that I would be not a good person or breeder to purchase from by your statements. Something that you have no clue of...and then telling me that I need to read some more books....just stick to bashing more people with your kind words....I'll stick to just reading the "funnies"....and of course breeding my so called non-standard Yorkies. Oh, by the way...no offense.


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