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Roxys Mom 08-14-2012 12:24 PM
Wow just spent some time reading....my rescue yorkie mix Roxy was and will always be my heart, she was yorkie and Cairn mostly.

To me it doesn't matter unless you're breeding or showing if they are 100%. Are you drawn to them? Do they fill your life with joy? Then they are 100% lovable!!!

I love them all....I think the chocolate colored ones are gorgeous too!

concretegurl 08-14-2012 12:44 PM
I does really matter to some because until the YTCA accepts them they cannot be shown and this has a secobdary effect on breeding.

Roxys Mom 08-14-2012 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3994635)
I does really matter to some because until the YTCA accepts them they cannot be shown and this has a secobdary effect on breeding.

Yeah, I know, that's why I added unless you're "breeding or showing"...shouldn't matter.

concretegurl 08-14-2012 02:24 PM
Im not trying to be argumebtative but I feel it does effect the average buyer....

Finding a reputable parti breeder is like a needle in a haystack.

Not to insult any breeders but even the ones Ive talked to personally are very frusterated with the standards of the stock because so many throw any two together just because of color and create so many off in every way pup.

One of the big issues is because they cant show someone is only able to prove their stock by their own merrits.

The point of competative showing is betterment goal assertating etc.

If the ribg was open I feel the general parti stock would ve more selectively bred fir more than color...there are only a few tricolored breeders to adhear to all standards but color abd they produce healthy happy pets for the rest of us.

GreenwoodBiewer 08-14-2012 02:34 PM
Actually, the tri colored yorkie (AKC Parti Yorkie) can be shown in a few places, the same places that many of us show our Biewers. Granted, it is not AKC, however, it is fun, the judges are very good.. it is competitive and you get an evaluation on your dog. It's the best we can do right now and I wish more people would take advantage of it. It's always good to have an outside person judge your "work", it makes one strive to do better with each pairing.. competition with ones peers is not such a bad thing.

Diana :animal-pa

concretegurl 08-14-2012 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3994697)
Actually, the tri colored yorkie (AKC Parti Yorkie) can be shown in a few places, the same places that many of us show our Biewers. Granted, it is not AKC, however, it is fun, the judges are very good.. it is competitive and you get an evaluation on your dog. It's the best we can do right now and I wish more people would take advantage of it. It's always good to have an outside person judge your "work", it makes one strive to do better with each pairing.. competition with ones peers is not such a bad thing.

Diana :animal-pa
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I forgot about that sorry!

See some outstanding breeders are striving far above.

GreenwoodBiewer 08-14-2012 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3994730)
:thumbup:

I forgot about that sorry!

See some outstanding breeders are striving far above.
LOL.. no problem.. the Parti's are just starting to be shown.. we need to get out there in much larger numbers if we are to be taken seriously.. I believe once we start to show the quality of the dogs really starts to improve.. I've seen that with the Biewers, it will happen with the Parti's as well. Breeders push each other and strive to do better and better.. it's good to hear constructive critiques from the judges and other breeders and work together to improve all of our dogs.. it's also good to see others dogs to know who's lines you may want to introduce into your breeding program.. Showing has all sorts of benifits.. and it's soo much FUN!

Diana :animal-pa

iheartdessert 08-14-2012 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BiewerYorkie (Post 3947989)
This I have discovered, is a VERY heated discussion with many people. My Zachary's parents are from Germany and are registered, as is Zachary, with the IBC. So I guess that means techincally, he is a Biewer Terrier and NOT a Biewer Yorkie. All I know is that I started out looking for a regular Yorkie and saw Zachary and that was it!!

Other than his coloring, he looks like a regular Yorkie. Most people don't recognize him as such because of his coloring. They say he looks like a Yorkie so I just say he is but a different kind (don't want to get into that discussion).

His color is changing from day to day. He was white with black with a touch of tan when we got him but a lot of the black is turning blue and he has a lot more of the tan. I might be a bit prejudiced but I think he is GORGEOUS! :D:D:D

From what I have read, and I am not saying it is true, here in the US the Yorkie has been bred with a Biewer and/or Parti . I have also read that the Biewer Terrier has been PROVEN to be genetically, a different breed.

Regardless, my Zachary is perfect for me!

Louise:animal-pa:animal-pa:animal-pa
I'm interested to see how my Biewer will change in color as she grows older. So interesting that your dog's color changes from day to day!

Yorkiemom1 08-15-2012 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2192936)
Both Partis and Biewers have what is called a recessive pie-bald gene that is responsible for their coloration. The Biewer breeders took what essentially was a Parti Yorkie and breed it many hundreds of times to develop a special coloration and marking for the dog. The Biewer has a standard and several clubs and is trying to get listed with the AKC registry as a separate breed. Because European countries have banned tail docking the Biewer standard calls for a full tail. Parti's on the other hand really have no official standard, and are just regular yorkies who have two recessive piebald genes, and their color is considered not within standard, but they are can still be listed with the AKC if their parents were listed. There is no separate category for Parti, that I'm aware of, they are just considered Yorkshire Terriers.
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concretegurl 08-15-2012 09:45 AM
There actually are standards for partis...just very few follow them.
partia should have a traditional colored head and the belting of the whiye has standards as well some more rhings all the rest are sane as tyca yorkies size range ear set docked tail top line etc.

Aside from thay Nancy did put it wonderfully.

Yorkiemom1 08-15-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire Allen (Post 2192185)
I'm going to open this thread, I've searched on here and can't find a definitive answer, ...are Biewers and Parti-Yorkies more or less the same thing? I understand Biewers have a German background...but the standards seem more or less identical save color. Are there any movements to open US Biewer studbooks up to Parti-colored yorkies?:confused:
Please pull up Snow Blue Yorkies....she has an in depth history of the Biewer...it is accurate. I too had talked several times with Mr.Biewer, before these dogs were being imported into this country...still very new on scene here.....Because of the difficulty he was having getting these dogs registered or recognized by AKC, and because of the expense of traveling to Germany to pick up my dogs, and my concern that these Yorkies would ever "catch on" here, I decided not to go that route...He could not get his Biewers registered as Yorkies because of the "color fault" and the only way the dogs could be registered, was to register them through the German Registry, which desgnated them a separate breed, so they could be registered! Snow Blue Yorkies has the history of all that and the progression of the breed and the registering of the breed,...very interesting, accurate information...also explaines the "difference" in the two dogs.

Roxys Mom 08-15-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3995182)
Please pull up Snow Blue Yorkies....she has an in depth history of the Biewer...it is accurate. I too had talked several times with Mr.Biewer, before these dogs were being imported into this country...still very new on scene here.....Because of the difficulty he was having getting these dogs registered or recognized by AKC, and because of the expense of traveling to Germany to pick up my dogs, and my concern that these Yorkies would ever "catch on" here, I decided not to go that route...He could not get his Biewers registered as Yorkies because of the "color fault" and the only way the dogs could be registered, was to register them through the German Registry, which desgnated them a separate breed, so they could be registered! Snow Blue Yorkies has the history of all that and the progression of the breed and the registering of the breed,...very interesting, accurate information...also explaines the "difference" in the two dogs.
I love their chocolates...so pretty.

GreenwoodBiewer 08-15-2012 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3995182)
Please pull up Snow Blue Yorkies....she has an in depth history of the Biewer...it is accurate. I too had talked several times with Mr.Biewer, before these dogs were being imported into this country...still very new on scene here.....Because of the difficulty he was having getting these dogs registered or recognized by AKC, and because of the expense of traveling to Germany to pick up my dogs, and my concern that these Yorkies would ever "catch on" here, I decided not to go that route...He could not get his Biewers registered as Yorkies because of the "color fault" and the only way the dogs could be registered, was to register them through the German Registry, which desgnated them a separate breed, so they could be registered! Snow Blue Yorkies has the history of all that and the progression of the breed and the registering of the breed,...very interesting, accurate information...also explaines the "difference" in the two dogs.
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-Diana :animal-pa

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