Parti-Yorkie VS. Biewer

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And when you have iron clad proof of this, why dont you post it, or maybe you just cant come up with any iron clad info.
Also, why would anyone be afraid of the group that they cherish, believe in and voluntarily belong too????????
And I know for a fact and first hand that unethical breeders did in fact AKC register off colored and mixed breed Yorkies back in the 80's, but just registered them as traditional colored. These two "breeders" that I personally knew, bred more than one breed also. One even had a parti breed. Imagine that.

Lynn, what exactly is the point of this badgering? I know people that were afraid to let the YTCA know thast they had off colored pups. They trusted me with that information and I'm certainly not going to give their names to you. not to mention that it has nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread.

Do you have something positive and constructive that you would like to add to the conversation? or is your objective to try to get this thread closed like you did with the last one?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Lynn, what exactly is the point of this badgering? I know people that were afraid to let the YTCA know thast they had off colored pups. They trusted me with that information and I'm certainly not going to give their names to you. not to mention that it has nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread.

Do you have something positive and constructive that you would like to add to the conversation? or is your objective to try to get this thread closed like you did with the last one?

And your posts are positive and constructive??????????????????????????????

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Lynn, what exactly is the point of this badgering? I know people that were afraid to let the YTCA know thast they had off colored pups. They trusted me with that information and I'm certainly not going to give their names to you. not to mention that it has nothing to do with the discussion going on in this thread.

Do you have something positive and constructive that you would like to add to the conversation? or is your objective to try to get this thread closed like you did with the last one?

I find your posts educational...I like learning more about the tri-colors.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And when you have iron clad proof of this, why dont you post it, or maybe you just cant come up with any iron clad info.
Also, why would anyone be afraid of the group that they cherish, believe in and voluntarily belong too????????
And I know for a fact and first hand that unethical breeders did in fact AKC register off colored and mixed breed Yorkies back in the 80's, but just registered them as traditional colored. These two "breeders" that I personally knew, bred more than one breed also. One even had a parti breed. Imagine that.

If you knew this then why didnt you report them to AKC?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If you knew this then why didnt you report them to AKC?

How do you know that I didnt?????????????????

[Yorkshire Allen]

Wow, my computer's been crashed...hence I've not been able to get onto yorkietalk. I'm glad I'm back though! From what I gather from both sides is...the Biewer is an emerging breed seperate from the Yorkshire Terrier, and a tricolor Yorkshire Terrier is an ''alternate'' color. Correct?

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Yorkshire Allen

Wow, my computer's been crashed...hence I've not been able to get onto yorkietalk. I'm glad I'm back though! From what I gather from both sides is...the Biewer is an emerging breed seperate from the Yorkshire Terrier, and a tricolor Yorkshire Terrier is an ''alternate'' color. Correct?

More or less....

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by Yorkshire Allen

Wow, my computer's been crashed...hence I've not been able to get onto yorkietalk. I'm glad I'm back though! From what I gather from both sides is...the Biewer is an emerging breed seperate from the Yorkshire Terrier, and a tricolor Yorkshire Terrier is an ''alternate'' color. Correct?

That's correct. We would like to have some of the parti-colored Yorkie people test their dogs to see where they stand. If someone would like to volunteer, I would be happy to pay for the test. You can PM me.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Pruett

That's correct. We would like to have some of the parti-colored Yorkie people test their dogs to see where they stand. If someone would like to volunteer, I would be happy to pay for the test. You can PM me.

You may be interested in the response I received directly from the Mars people regarding how many generations back it's even possible to detect other breeds.



In regards to your inquiry, we would say that it depends how recently in the
dogs lineage would the other breed have influences on whether we would be able
to detect and report them. The limitation of the technology, at the current
moment in time, is really only able to detect breeds present at the great
grandparent generation. Anything beyond that is likely beyond our reliable
detection capabilities of the test at present.

We hope this answers your inquiry. If you have any additional questions, please
do not hesitate to contact us at customercare@marsveterinary.com or
888-K9 PET TEST (1-888-597-3883).

Regards,
Mars Veterinary
Customer Care Department

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

You may be interested in the response I received directly from the Mars people regarding how many generations back it's even possible to detect other breeds.



In regards to your inquiry, we would say that it depends how recently in the
dogs lineage would the other breed have influences on whether we would be able
to detect and report them. The limitation of the technology, at the current
moment in time, is really only able to detect breeds present at the great
grandparent generation. Anything beyond that is likely beyond our reliable
detection capabilities of the test at present.

We hope this answers your inquiry. If you have any additional questions, please
do not hesitate to contact us at customercare@marsveterinary.com or
888-K9 PET TEST (1-888-597-3883).

Regards,
Mars Veterinary
Customer Care Department

It's where the dog falls on the graph that's important. If it's a Yorkie, it will be in the Yorkie cluster, if it's a Biewer Terrier it's in the Biewer cluster, Shih Tzu, Shih Tzu cluster, etc......
The Yorkies we tested all fell in the Yorkie cluster. Very interesting.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Pruett

It's where the dog falls on the graph that's important. If it's a Yorkie, it will be in the Yorkie cluster, if it's a Biewer Terrier it's in the Biewer cluster, Shih Tzu, Shih Tzu cluster, etc......
The Yorkies we tested all fell in the Yorkie cluster. Very interesting.

This test is using something other than the Mars test then?

[Breezeaway]

Can you show a graph of one of your dogs so i can see what your talking about as far as the graph goes. I am really interested in this. Or can you show the results of one of your dogs so I can see how it works.

[Yorkshire Allen]

It's my opinion that tri-colored yorkies are REAL yorkies, that have possibly popped up since...well, since the 1880's. For one thing, the population boom of yorkies spread the LATENT gene around, then they started coming together and ...bam. That's just my opinion, It's not right or wrong...I'd like to stress that.
One thing that I'm vehemently against is...what some people think was introducing another breed into our own to get another color. I'll use poodles as an example...(again.) Now, aside from the solid/parti poodle debate, I'm going to use ''merle'' poodles as an example. There has ALWAYS been phantom/parti color poodles since the breed's inception. This is well documented. Because the family lines of the poodle include the Barbet, Maltese, Bichon Frise, Bichon Tenerife, Bolonka, Bolognese, Portugese/Spanish/Italian Water Dogs, Irish Water Spaniel, etc etc etc...it's understandable that there would be variation in color. But there has NEVER been a dog in the ancestry of the poodle that carries the merle gene!
SOME highly questionable breeders obviously introduced a dog into the poodle breed (with a less than savory registry, mind you...sigh...) with a merle gene. Then the ''mutt'' was bred to another poodle and so on and so forth and BOOM, we have purebred merle poodles. What I'm afraid of is this creeping into the AKC stock with some lying on puppy applications and an explosion happening in the poodle world with people saying that there has always been merle poodles...because there hasn't.
It'd be different if the poodle wasn't a Pan-European ancient dog breed that's pretty much been in existence for hundreds of years in some manner or form, unlike the Yorkshire Terrier which is a (relatively speaking) newer breed of dog combined from several different ancient breeds of dogs. (Maybe the Maltese?...I wonder what the Maltese would look like today if the standard wasn't changed to be all white.) But I digress, the merle gene is a DOMINANT gene. Meaning if I bred a dapple dachshund to a non-dapple dachshund the chances are that one of the puppies will be dapple. If I breed a silver and gold Yorkie with a silver and gold Yorkie carrying the parti gene, I'm going to get more silver and gold Yorkies...it won't be until possibly many generations later that the parti genes will meet up and! Tricolors!...
Fashions and breed standards change. Particolor poodles are now allowed in the UKC show ring while still being vehemently denied into the AKC show ring. Maybe that will change. Maybe (hopefully) the standard for the Yorkshire Terrier can one day change. Biewer notwithstanding, is there any information on chocolate, golden, solid black/blue, or tricolor Yorkshire Terriers in other countries? I'd really like to read more about how this is being handled in other countries' kennel clubs. Just imagine...watching a dog show (in person or on animal planet ) and seeing a seperate color class for each Yorkie, like the toy, miniature, and standard poodle...and the wirehaired, longhaired, and smoothhaired dachshund...the manchester terriers, the spaniels, and then! the traditional yorkie, the chocolate yorkie, the solid yorkie, and the tricolor yorkie! ...
....Even if we don't agree with each other (which is fine! I just think we could do it more respectfully) there are much worse things to worry about in our breed than colors. We have the problem of puppy mills, primarily I think to contend with. As heartbreaking as it is, the more popular our Yorkshire Terriers become, the more popular they become in puppy mills. I've saw eight Yorkshire Terriers in a rabbit hut before. Seven females and one male. Their...''owner'' proudly proclaimed that they netted her about 5,000 bucks every six months. And three of them were the stud's daughter...AND they were triple-registered! CKC/NKC/UKCI!

[alaine128]

What is the difference in personality with the Parti Yorkies vs the Biewers?

We have a half Biewer half Normal and she has the laid back less confrontational personality the Biewer line is known for. Where as our normal yorkie is high strung, needy for attention, the small fry of the house yet thinks she's the boss.

[BiewerYorkie]

This I have discovered, is a VERY heated discussion with many people. My Zachary's parents are from Germany and are registered, as is Zachary, with the IBC. So I guess that means techincally, he is a Biewer Terrier and NOT a Biewer Yorkie. All I know is that I started out looking for a regular Yorkie and saw Zachary and that was it!!

Other than his coloring, he looks like a regular Yorkie. Most people don't recognize him as such because of his coloring. They say he looks like a Yorkie so I just say he is but a different kind (don't want to get into that discussion).

His color is changing from day to day. He was white with black with a touch of tan when we got him but a lot of the black is turning blue and he has a lot more of the tan. I might be a bit prejudiced but I think he is GORGEOUS!

From what I have read, and I am not saying it is true, here in the US the Yorkie has been bred with a Biewer and/or Parti . I have also read that the Biewer Terrier has been PROVEN to be genetically, a different breed.

Regardless, my Zachary is perfect for me!

Louise