Cloning??!!

[whitney_faulkne]

I just watched a thing on tv about cloning.
It said if something dies, the clone would not ness. die of the same health cause, because we dont even know what causes many cancers and diseases, unless it is a hereditary thing.
BUUUUTTT clones seem to die of cancers and abnormalties and dont seem to live a full life. There are many health concerns. There isnt a lot of research that has been done but from the show they did on it, it seems like most died right after birth or not long after

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by whitney_faulkne

I just watched a thing on tv about cloning.
It said if something dies, the clone would not ness. die of the same health cause, because we dont even know what causes many cancers and diseases, unless it is a hereditary thing.
BUUUUTTT clones seem to die of cancers and abnormalties and dont seem to live a full life. There are many health concerns. There isnt a lot of research that has been done but from the show they did on it, it seems like most died right after birth or not long after

Could be that "advances" in cloning aren't as developed as people might think it is. One thing I have learned is that DNA can act randomly, something people could never predict. There can be random mutations in the genetic code and maybe by "playing" with it, mutation could be occuring more often, and maybe that's why clones die soon after birth. Just speculation on my part!!

Just my opinion, but who are we to play God?

[sammiz]

Dolly, that famous cloned sheep, was the first mammal to have been successfully cloned from an adult cell and was born in 1996. She was euthanased at at the age of six years. Dolly, after a veterinary examination, showed that she had a progressive lung disease, the institute said in a statement. She was also diagnosed with a debilitating form of arthritis at an unusually early age. Since the condition would usually be expected in older animals, another debate erupted over what could properly be judged as Dolly's true age, and the risks of premature ageing in clones.

After the cloning was successfully demonstrated by Dolly's creators , many other large mammals have been cloned, including horses and bulls. Cloning is now considered a promising tool for preserving endangered species, usually by those who do not work in species conservation.

Monkeys:

A small Rhesus Macaque monkey – given the name ANDi by researchers – was the first genetically modified monkey in history. In an attempt to discover a way to fight disease within the human species, scientists altered ANDi’s genetic composition to include a simple jellyfish gene, with the hope that the cell’s molecule would glow when viewed under the proper microscopic equipment, as do those of jellyfish. Scientists at the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center applied this gene to a monkey egg which ultimately produced little ANDi, who remained fit and healthy after her birth. Their intention, they stated, was to experiment with a variety of different types of genes in order to discover a way to eradicate illness within humans, going to far as to discuss the possibility of being able to rid humans of Alzheimer’s in the future, through the use of this process. Animals Rights groups have long been protesting such practices, and the restrictions that have been imposed on cloning in the recent past have made it that much more difficult for experiments such as these to be conducted. For those who may have wondered how ANDi came by her name, one of the leading research scientists has explained that it simply stands for “inserted DNA” when spelled backward.

Tetra, another Rhesus Macaque clone, found her claim to fame by being the first cloned monkey which was produced by a split embryo. Nudged into life by the same research center that cloned ANDi, Tetra (the Greek word for “four”) was the only one of four monkey embryos that survived during a procedure that resembles the in-vitro fertilization techniques that’s often used in women who are unable to conceive. Tetra’s purpose in life? As the first occurrence of a perfect monkey clone that was produced from a split embryo, researchers now know that the information can be used repeatedly, in order to create an abundance of research monkeys for various experiments in labs around the world. In other words, they’re not only planning to continue animal experimentation, but are now devising plans to create their very own animals for the purposes of doing so.

Are you mad yet?

[DukesMommy]

Originally Posted by sammiz

Please know that to me, this is a 'debate' and none of my statements are meant to be untoward. In other words....nothing personal. Just a sharing of opposing views. I subscribe to the following:

The quality and depth of a debate improves knowledge of its participants.

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I think the question is "progress to where?" I can see a myriad of issues involving this. Sometimes, seeing the 'whole' picture brings one into areas that are needful of consideration. It is not merely 'making prgress' but involves many ethical dilemmas. For one, involving your statement...who do you think would care if your DNA was patented or not? Just the good guys, maybe? What about the 'other' ones?

There are so many evil men (and women) in the world. Just look at how we've progressed with nuclear knowledge. Mankind has no knowledge of how to control it once it begins reaction....it is unstoppable. This knowledge in the hands of someone that has no conscience or consideration for the welfare of other humans is a nightmare waiting to happen. Many fof us fear this very thing today because it is a very real possibility.

It would be nothing like having a twin. Twins are born at the same time and are the same age. If you are, say...twenty years old now and were cloned, your 'twin' would be twenty when you are forty.

Creation of human clones would enable evil ones to create their own armies of clones. Unthinkable? How about cloning people for the human trafficing? That would be beyond horrible wouldn't it? But the potential is there. Someone that is of the mind to do such evil would only have to wait fifteen years or so. Not even that long, really.

I will continue to pray that their efforts are thwarted. I fervently hope that cloning is not a successful venture for mankind.

Wow! I couldn't have said that better.
(not trying to put anyone else down) I am just completely against animal testing etc. And IMO cloning is just one more thing helping to enable researchers to torment innocent animals.

[freshie]

didn't she like mortgage her house to do this? I mean I understand having an unconditional love for pet but to get yourself into hock isn't the smartest. Plus if you have all that money to burn why not donate it to animals in need?

[lulababy]

Originally Posted by sammiz

Please know that to me, this is a 'debate' and none of my statements are meant to be untoward. In other words....nothing personal. Just a sharing of opposing views. I subscribe to the following:

The quality and depth of a debate improves knowledge of its participants.

__________________________________________________ __________

I think the question is "progress to where?" I can see a myriad of issues involving this. Sometimes, seeing the 'whole' picture brings one into areas that are needful of consideration. It is not merely 'making prgress' but involves many ethical dilemmas. For one, involving your statement...who do you think would care if your DNA was patented or not? Just the good guys, maybe? What about the 'other' ones?

There are so many evil men (and women) in the world. Just look at how we've progressed with nuclear knowledge. Mankind has no knowledge of how to control it once it begins reaction....it is unstoppable. This knowledge in the hands of someone that has no conscience or consideration for the welfare of other humans is a nightmare waiting to happen. Many fof us fear this very thing today because it is a very real possibility.

It would be nothing like having a twin. Twins are born at the same time and are the same age. If you are, say...twenty years old now and were cloned, your 'twin' would be twenty when you are forty.

Creation of human clones would enable evil ones to create their own armies of clones. Unthinkable? How about cloning people for the human trafficing? That would be beyond horrible wouldn't it? But the potential is there. Someone that is of the mind to do such evil would only have to wait fifteen years or so. Not even that long, really.

I will continue to pray that their efforts are thwarted. I fervently hope that cloning is not a successful venture for mankind.

i think you raise some good points here. but i feel the issue you are raising is not necessarily problems with cloning, but problems with.. hum how would i word this... the aftermath?/with what bad people will be doing with cloning? in my mind it can be done in a pure and non evil way, same as giving birth to a baby. I dont think that cloned beings should have lesser rights than anyone else also... and isnt someone going to have to carry these embryos to term anyway? its not like they are being born in some machine. I dont think cloning will be happening on any kind of massive scale any time soon (for trafficing or wars or whatever) unless people gather armies of women ready to carry babies and giv ethem up for some greater purpose (i doubt they will find a lot of these kinds of women). as far as the dna patenting, i guess I thought it out alot further than i stated. I am assuming there will be some kind of database that doctors or cloners can refer to when they are looking into cloning certain dna, to see if that dna is AVAILBLE or not for cloning-kind of like a police/medical database. I dont really foresee any evil doers stealing hair from someone like angelina jolie and making some blackmarket clone of her without the help of established doctors and this yet unnamed database... its funny becaus this sounds like this could make a good movie.. LOL I just got the thought: what if someone DID make some blackmarket clone baby... what kind of legal reprocussions would there be?? it is a person afterall.. you cant say.. you are not allowed to be alive!! haha one can only imagine

[sammiz]

Originally Posted by lulababy

i think you raise some good points here. but i feel the issue you are raising is not necessarily problems with cloning, but problems with.. hum how would i word this... the aftermath?/with what bad people will be doing with cloning? in my mind it can be done in a pure and non evil way, same as giving birth to a baby. I dont think that cloned beings should have lesser rights than anyone else also... and isnt someone going to have to carry these embryos to term anyway? its not like they are being born in some machine. I dont think cloning will be happening on any kind of massive scale any time soon (for trafficing or wars or whatever) unless people gather armies of women ready to carry babies and giv ethem up for some greater purpose (i doubt they will find a lot of these kinds of women). as far as the dna patenting, i guess I thought it out alot further than i stated. I am assuming there will be some kind of database that doctors or cloners can refer to when they are looking into cloning certain dna, to see if that dna is AVAILBLE or not for cloning-kind of like a police/medical database. I dont really foresee any evil doers stealing hair from someone like angelina jolie and making some blackmarket clone of her without the help of established doctors and this yet unnamed database... its funny becaus this sounds like this could make a good movie.. LOL I just got the thought: what if someone DID make some blackmarket clone baby... what kind of legal reprocussions would there be?? it is a person afterall.. you cant say.. you are not allowed to be alive!! haha one can only imagine

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Please keep in mind that all countries do not provide the 'freedom' that American women have.

They have already found these kind of women:

The threat to women's health, especially poor women, is so great that it helped bring together pro-choice and pro-life advocates in a common effort to ban human cloning. While the United States still has no federal law prohibiting cloning, other nations including Canada, France, Germany, Norway and Australia, have made human cloning for any purpose a serious crime (meriting five years of jail time in socially liberal Canada and seven in secular France). Additionally, the U.N. General Assembly recently passed the U.N. Declaration on Human Cloning, which (by a vote of nearly 3 to 1) calls on all nations to prohibit all forms of human cloning. The declaration voiced concern that biotechnology developments could exploit women. It has not taken long to be proved right.

Together with a handful of nations (including the United Kingdom, China and Singapore), South Korea supports human embryo cloning for research. South Koreans have lionized Hwang. There is talk of a Nobel Prize nomination. More than 1,000 Korean women have already signed up to give him their eggs -- on a Web site ("grotesque and bizarre" is the verdict from a Korean women's group). The Web site includes a telling comment from a man saying he "fought" with his wife because she refused to sign up. The site deems those who do sign on as "angels" in the "patriotic army"; an entire high school class of 33 girls has signed up. Conversely, there have been death threats against journalists critical of the effort.

Excerpted from:

What California can learn from Korean cloning scandal

[PANAMA69]

Originally Posted by freshie

didn't she like mortgage her house to do this? I mean I understand having an unconditional love for pet but to get yourself into hock isn't the smartest. Plus if you have all that money to burn why not donate it to animals in need?

Well I saw that too she paid like 50G I guess is what she has to paid for bringing her happiness back, (what ever float her boat). I love my girls so much, but I will never do it, I rather give other dogs the opportunity to have a loving home is jmhp and two for what ever is worth

[lulababy]

Originally Posted by sammiz

__________________________________________________ _______--

Please keep in mind that all countries do not provide the 'freedom' that American women have.

They have already found these kind of women:

The threat to women's health, especially poor women, is so great that it helped bring together pro-choice and pro-life advocates in a common effort to ban human cloning. While the United States still has no federal law prohibiting cloning, other nations including Canada, France, Germany, Norway and Australia, have made human cloning for any purpose a serious crime (meriting five years of jail time in socially liberal Canada and seven in secular France). Additionally, the U.N. General Assembly recently passed the U.N. Declaration on Human Cloning, which (by a vote of nearly 3 to 1) calls on all nations to prohibit all forms of human cloning. The declaration voiced concern that biotechnology developments could exploit women. It has not taken long to be proved right.

Together with a handful of nations (including the United Kingdom, China and Singapore), South Korea supports human embryo cloning for research. South Koreans have lionized Hwang. There is talk of a Nobel Prize nomination. More than 1,000 Korean women have already signed up to give him their eggs -- on a Web site ("grotesque and bizarre" is the verdict from a Korean women's group). The Web site includes a telling comment from a man saying he "fought" with his wife because she refused to sign up. The site deems those who do sign on as "angels" in the "patriotic army"; an entire high school class of 33 girls has signed up. Conversely, there have been death threats against journalists critical of the effort.

Excerpted from:

What California can learn from Korean cloning scandal

oh my goodness!!!

[pookiebear]

I saw this woman on the Today Show this morning. Booger had saved her life from a dog attack some years back. She actually had to have her arm amputated and put back on because of this dog attack. So obviously Booger meant a lot to her because of that. After the attack incident Booger became he became her service dog helping her with chores. So because Booger meant so much to her she sold her house to raise the $100K to have Booger's DNA inserted into the surrogate mother somewhere in South Korea. She plans to keep all five dogs and train them to be service dogs.

To clone or not to clone. I'll leave that up to you guys. I do like Sammiz's idea about the movie though! Get to writing Sammi.

[sammiz]

Originally Posted by pookiebear

I saw this woman on the Today Show this morning. Booger had saved her life from a dog attack some years back. She actually had to have her arm amputated and put back on because of this dog attack. So obviously Booger meant a lot to her because of that. After the attack incident Booger became he became her service dog helping her with chores. So because Booger meant so much to her she sold her house to raise the $100K to have Booger's DNA inserted into the surrogate mother somewhere in South Korea. She plans to keep all five dogs and train them to be service dogs.

To clone or not to clone. I'll leave that up to you guys. I do like Sammiz's idea about the movie though! Get to writing Sammi.

Lulababy is the one who talked about the movie. I never have enough time to write. LOL I spend too much time on YT!

[lulababy]

Originally Posted by pookiebear

I saw this woman on the Today Show this morning. Booger had saved her life from a dog attack some years back. She actually had to have her arm amputated and put back on because of this dog attack. So obviously Booger meant a lot to her because of that. After the attack incident Booger became he became her service dog helping her with chores. So because Booger meant so much to her she sold her house to raise the $100K to have Booger's DNA inserted into the surrogate mother somewhere in South Korea. She plans to keep all five dogs and train them to be service dogs.

To clone or not to clone. I'll leave that up to you guys. I do like Sammiz's idea about the movie though! Get to writing Sammi.

yeah I was the one with the movie idea and i am actually a writer so I could do it.. I think it is actually a good idea

[pookiebear]

Originally Posted by lulababy

yeah I was the one with the movie idea and i am actually a writer so I could do it.. I think it is actually a good idea

This movie would have to be an HBO series. I don't think you could cram it all into 4 hours.

[Beabble]

Sorry, I'm just totally against it. We were blessed to have our furkids in our life as long as we did, God took them for a reason. Be thankful for the memories and the time we had with them, learn to cherish those memories and take that love that is now left and give it to another furkid in need. Just my opinion.

[lulababy]

Originally Posted by pookiebear

This movie would have to be an HBO series. I don't think you could cram it all into 4 hours.

lol yeah it would be tough.. what would the name of a series be?