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AMMARI 08-05-2008 01:45 PM
Cloning??!!
 
This isn't about yorkies, but I felt I had to post it. A lady cloned her dog and got five cloned puppies and has a surrogate dog mother taking care of them. I hate the idea of it.

Here is the link to the article if you're interested.

Nancy1999 08-05-2008 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AMMARI (Post 2161457)
This isn't about yorkies, but I felt I had to post it. A lady cloned her dog and got five cloned puppies and has a surrogate dog mother taking care of them. I hate the idea of it.

Here is the link to the article if you're interested.
Just curious, but why do you hate the idea? People get really upset with the idea, but I don't understand why. You forgot the link.

Jeri Cunningham 08-05-2008 01:59 PM
I can understand how someone would want to clone their dog but what they don't think aboyt is it will not be the same exact dog. It will look the same maybe but the personality will be unique to each dog.

If a clone was truely exactly like the dog I would clone my Mandy as she is extra special!!!!

mizzwanned 08-05-2008 02:00 PM
There's no link. Honestly i hate the idea too cause it's just...weird!! BUT omg if there was a way i would have LOVED to clone my bird that died, but i have nothing left of him:( I used to have a feather of his and one of his nails that fell off but i lost them:( Otherwise i prob. would have done it..i dunno. How do they do it anyway

mizzwanned 08-05-2008 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeri Cunningham (Post 2161492)
I can understand how someone would want to clone their dog but what they don't think aboyt is it will not be the same exact dog. It will look the same maybe but the personality will be unique to each dog.

If a clone was truely exactly like the dog I would clone my Mandy as she is extra special!!!!
really? i thought it meant they have the exact same DNA

Nancy1999 08-05-2008 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2161498)
really? i thought it meant they have the exact same DNA

It would have the same DNA, but have you ever heard of nature versus nurture? This is an argument scientists have on what's the most important determining facture in how something fully develops. "Nature" uses the argument that we are wired in a certain way and this determines how we act. "Nurture" agues that our experiences mold us in to what we eventually become. Most scientist think it's a little of both. DNA would be Nature, and the experiences the dog has would be Nurture. You could take two exact dogs and put them into two different environments and we could be pretty sure that their "personalities" would be different.

BlondeYorkieMom 08-05-2008 02:16 PM
I know this is a touchy issue, but I personally am not against the idea of dog cloning. As far as the actual ethical/religious questions of cloning dogs, it is fine with me.
But the thing that bothers me is how many innocent dogs die while they try to perfect the science. This is why I would consider myself against the research of dog cloning.
~They have been cloning livestock for years. It is a much more common practice than people think. If someone can clone their prized bull or equine, I don't see any difference cloning man's best friend.
But to reiterate, I AM AGAINST CLONING DOGS/CATS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY KILL INNOCENT ANIMALS TRYING TO PERFECT THE SCIENCE!
Hopefully this makes sense. I don't think there is anything sick or wrong about cloning. I tried to explain why I can associate with both sides of this argument. I just don't think they should hurt animals (which is an inevitable part of perfecting cloning).

mizzwanned 08-05-2008 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2161515)
It would have the same DNA, but have you ever heard of nature versus nurture? This is an argument scientists have on what's the most important determining facture in how something fully develops. "Nature" uses the argument that we are wired in a certain way and this determines how we act. "Nurture" agues that our experiences mold us in to what we eventually become. Most scientist think it's a little of both. DNA would be Nature, and the experiences the dog has would be Nurture. You could take two exact dogs and put them into two different environments and we could be pretty sure that their "personalities" would be different.
oooo right we learned that in Bio:rolleyes: Well that's true, guess i should have payed attention in class lol Well either way i would want another bird with the same exact DNA cause im telling you, after it died we tried replacing it with tons of birds, and NONE ever were the same. That was the smartest bird i ever had, i swear, it was like a dog. And we trained them all the same too..

AMMARI 08-05-2008 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2161486)
Just curious, but why do you hate the idea? People get really upset with the idea, but I don't understand why. You forgot the link.
Woman Gets Five Clones of Her Pitbull - AOL News


sorry about the link.

I'm just not comfortable with the idea. I wouldn't want to clone my children or a person. All of us know that our dogs are part of our families, the way I see it, each member of the family has something special about them. If something were to happen to Sammy I would miss him dearly, but at the same time, I would want another dog to share my life with and find the special things about them. I would never forget about Sammy, but I'd want to share that with another one too once he's gone. Maybe it's a siritual thing. I'm not very religious, but I feel that when someone (or something) goes, then its becasue it's time to go.

BlondeYorkieMom 08-05-2008 02:38 PM
I'm wondering what she's gonna do with 5 cloned pitbulls:confused:
You couldn't choose to keep certain ones and not others! Hmmmmm

Heres another article from a CBS affiliate:

kdka.com - Dog Clones From RNL Bio In South Korea Give Woman Booger Bliss

Jeri Cunningham 08-05-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2161515)
It would have the same DNA, but have you ever heard of nature versus nurture? This is an argument scientists have on what's the most important determining facture in how something fully develops. "Nature" uses the argument that we are wired in a certain way and this determines how we act. "Nurture" agues that our experiences mold us in to what we eventually become. Most scientist think it's a little of both. DNA would be Nature, and the experiences the dog has would be Nurture. You could take two exact dogs and put them into two different environments and we could be pretty sure that their "personalities" would be different.

Well said! :thumbup::thumbup:
My Mandy is the way she is due to many factors and you can't clone personality! It isn't just the look I love it is the whole package.

Nancy1999 08-05-2008 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AMMARI (Post 2161534)
Woman Gets Five Clones of Her Pitbull - AOL News


sorry about the link.

I'm just not comfortable with the idea. I wouldn't want to clone my children or a person. All of us know that our dogs are part of our families, the way I see it, each member of the family has something special about them. If something were to happen to Sammy I would miss him dearly, but at the same time, I would want another dog to share my life with and find the special things about them. I would never forget about Sammy, but I'd want to share that with another one too once he's gone. Maybe it's a siritual thing. I'm not very religious, but I feel that when someone (or something) goes, then its becasue it's time to go.
I can understand why you would not want to clone your pet, but I don't understand why people in general are against it. Does it bother you if someone else would clone their pet?

I personally think cloning, and the knowledge derived from it will be extremely beneficial in studying genetic diseases that will help both animals and humans, although I don't think I would ever want to clone a pet, and I know I would never clone a Pit Bull. (No offense to Pit Bull lovers.)

tishas_star 08-05-2008 03:19 PM
Sorry I started laughing when I go to the part where she was going "I know you, you know me too!" Did anyone tell this woman that just because genetically the puppies are her dog re-incarnated that they don't retain that dog's personality or MEMORIES? Those poor dogs will probably end up dying at a very young age b/c the cells aren't puppy cells they are aged cells (look at Dolly the sheep) and on top of that her dog died of CANCER, so those dogs are certainly predisposed to it. Looks like someone wanted money and someone gave it to them....sheesh.

BlondeYorkieMom 08-05-2008 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tishas_star (Post 2161711)
Sorry I started laughing when I go to the part where she was going "I know you, you know me too!" Did anyone tell this woman that just because genetically the puppies are her dog re-incarnated that they don't retain that dog's personality or MEMORIES? Those poor dogs will probably end up dying at a very young age b/c the cells aren't puppy cells they are aged cells (look at Dolly the sheep) and on top of that her dog died of CANCER, so those dogs are certainly predisposed to it. Looks like someone wanted money and someone gave it to them....sheesh.
You brought up some very legitimate concerns I had forgotten about!
I am not pretending to be a biologist, but as cells age I believe they do deteriorate, so taking DNA from an older dog would definitely set those puppies up for a lower quality of health, right? And yes, the cloned puppies would be very likely to die of cancer like the original, unless it was caused environmentally (ie the carcinogens that are in low quality dog foods~animal by-products)
I'm not bashing on cloning and think there is validity to both sides, these are just some important things to think about.

mizzwanned 08-05-2008 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tishas_star (Post 2161711)
Sorry I started laughing when I go to the part where she was going "I know you, you know me too!" Did anyone tell this woman that just because genetically the puppies are her dog re-incarnated that they don't retain that dog's personality or MEMORIES? Those poor dogs will probably end up dying at a very young age b/c the cells aren't puppy cells they are aged cells (look at Dolly the sheep) and on top of that her dog died of CANCER, so those dogs are certainly predisposed to it. Looks like someone wanted money and someone gave it to them....sheesh.
That's what i was thinking...she said her dog died of cancer..so wouldn't these also?


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