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Ladymom 07-31-2008 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ringoandmommy (Post 2150362)
Someone a few pages ago said that since we were flaming the Parti breeder, how did we know ours was reputable.
I'm just not one for using quotes, that's all.

And it's just a gene they found in him and one of his sisters. It's a diabetic gene, just like the one in people that skips a generation. Therefore, it didn't affect him, but if he were bred, it could affect the next litter. So my breeder made an agreement that she would sell him to me for 800 instead of 2,500 dollars like the other litters of puppies were if I agreed to have him neutered, which she paid for, and I had no problem with, because I was planning on having him neutered anyway.
I don't know why it was only my boy and his sister that the gene showed up in, but my baby seems to be fine.
There is no genetic marker for canine diabetes so there is no test your breeder could have done on him.

There is currently a study being done on Samoyeds with an AKC grant to hopefully find a marker, but there are no results yet.

AKCCHF grant #610 — Samoyed Club of America Education and Research Foundation (SCARF)

TammyJM 07-31-2008 10:17 AM
It's okay to use quotes...it lessens the confusion as to which person you are responding to.

I have to say, this thread has been ummmm....interesting, I suppose. :rolleyes: It started out with talking about chocolates, golden and parti colored Yorkies and somehow we have landed on the topic of Diabetes. :confused: Your breeder's vet has a test that detects a "dormant gene" for this disease??

Oh nevermind....too much going on in one thread for me. :p

Tammy

Baron 07-31-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by erickajm (Post 2143507)
What is a powder puff Champion bloodline?

Powder Puff is a Chinese Crested dog. The Powder Puff has a full body of hair, while the others have only puff's of hair on their legs and head, and the rest of the body is hairless.

bchgirl 07-31-2008 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2150415)
It's okay to use quotes...it lessens the confusion as to which person you are responding to.

I have to say, this thread has been ummmm....interesting, I suppose. :rolleyes: It started out with talking about chocolates, golden and parti colored Yorkies and somehow we have landed on the topic of Diabetes. :confused: Your breeder's vet has a test that detects a "dormant gene" for this disease??

Oh nevermind....too much going on in one thread for me. :p

Tammy
Tammy....look at how much time this thread is saving you...no need to read any other posts...it's all discussed here. ;)

TammyJM 07-31-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2150441)
Tammy....look at how much time this thread is saving you...no need to read any other posts...it's all discussed here. ;)
You do have a great point. Throw in some ideas of what I should make for dinner tonight and I think that will just about cover all bases for me. :D

Tammy

bchgirl 07-31-2008 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2150456)
You do have a great point. Throw in some ideas of what I should make for dinner tonight and I think that will just about cover all bases for me. :D

Tammy

Reservations silly. ;)

Kbsqueff 07-31-2008 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2150456)
You do have a great point. Throw in some ideas of what I should make for dinner tonight and I think that will just about cover all bases for me. :D

Tammy
:eyetearss:jump28ib::jump28ib:

Pinehaven 07-31-2008 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ringoandmommy (Post 2150362)
Someone a few pages ago said that since we were flaming the Parti breeder, how did we know ours was reputable.
I'm just not one for using quotes, that's all.

And it's just a gene they found in him and one of his sisters. It's a diabetic gene, just like the one in people that skips a generation. Therefore, it didn't affect him, but if he were bred, it could affect the next litter. So my breeder made an agreement that she would sell him to me for 800 instead of 2,500 dollars like the other litters of puppies were if I agreed to have him neutered, which she paid for, and I had no problem with, because I was planning on having him neutered anyway.
I don't know why it was only my boy and his sister that the gene showed up in, but my baby seems to be fine.
HuH? My younger daughter is a juvenile diabetic, diagnosed at age 6, she's now 21. We have No family history of the disease and our doctors have never said that there was a diabetic gene that would skip generations. I don't think that there would be a simple routine test that would show a gene marker for the disease? I know they were testing human siblings for markers a while back (my oldest daughter participated in that trial) but I sure haven't heard of any findings. I certainly haven't heard of any tests for dogs ... maybe the breeder meant something else and not diabetes???

Ladymom 07-31-2008 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2150559)
HuH? My younger daughter is a juvenile diabetic, diagnosed at age 6, she's now 21. We have No family history of the disease and our doctors have never said that there was a diabetic gene that would skip generations. I don't think that there would be a simple routine test that would show a gene marker for the disease? I know they were testing human siblings for markers a while back (my oldest daughter participated in that trial) but I sure haven't heard of any findings. I certainly haven't heard of any tests for dogs ... maybe the breeder meant something else and not diabetes???
You're right. There is no genetic marker for diabetes, canine or human, so there is no test. The disease doesn't skip generations, either. :confused: :confused:

I'm completely lost on thread. I thought we were talking about whether or not this website was "a rip off" to quote the OP.

Yorkie puppies for sale,Parti Yorkies,Chocolate, Golden Yorkie Pups and Dogs for sale.

I have no idea how diabetes got brought into this thread. :)

bchgirl 07-31-2008 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2150596)
You're right. There is no genetic marker for diabetes, canine or human, so there is no test. The disease doesn't skip generations, either. :confused: :confused:

I'm completely lost on thread. I thought we were talking about whether or not this website was "a rip off" to quote the OP.

Yorkie puppies for sale,Parti Yorkies,Chocolate, Golden Yorkie Pups and Dogs for sale.

I have no idea how diabetes got brought into this thread. :)
The OP ...returned to the thread. She's the one who talked about her dog and diabetes.

Ladymom 07-31-2008 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2150600)
The OP ...returned to the thread. She's the one who talked about her dog and diabetes.
Okay, I think I've got it now!

I didn't realize the OP had already bought a puppy from this breeder. I thought she had just come across the website and was asking us if we thought the prices for goldens, partis, etc. were a rip off.

TammyJM 07-31-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2150637)
Okay, I think I've got it now!

I didn't realize the OP had already bought a puppy from this breeder. I thought she had just come across the website and was asking us if we thought the prices for goldens, partis, etc. were a rip off.
That's what I thought at first, too....now I am just lost. Nothing new for me, though.

CharBar 07-31-2008 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabbymom (Post 2144794)
Some of them were $4000 and $5000! Many of them said sold next to them. what a shame.
Sometimes websites will post "Sold" (eventhough they are not) just to entice people to buy even more. I don't know if its illegal or not, but its just like every other scam in the book. If something is "Selling like hotcakes" then it will make people want it more! So sad.

Honestly though- who would pay that much for a yorkie that didn't come from a breeder that had a really great reputation anyway? Thats just my opinion. Money doesn't grow on trees and $5000 seems too steep of a price for me!

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ringoandmommy (Post 2143495)
I found this website:
Yorkie puppies for sale,Parti Yorkies,Chocolate, Golden Yorkie Pups and Dogs for sale.



They advertise selling specially coloured yorkies. Doesn't this seem like a ripoff? Can't people just be happy with the perfect little babies that occur in nature instead of messing with genetics and causing a nightmare for future generations of pups?


It seems like this place only wants to make money, not breed quality babies that will go to a good home.
I don't know, it makes me think of something Paris Hilton would google if she was looking for another fashion accesory dog to dump off when she got tired of it.



I'm upset now.

Wow, the more I read on this site the less I like it, there seem to be a whole lot of people on here who do not bother to take the time to educate themselves before opening their mouths. Is there some reason you feel the need to put down other peoples dogs?:mad:
Debbie Has really nice dogs and a really really nice Kennel facility. She has some of the nicest yorkies I have seen anywhere. If you don't like colored yorkies don't buy them. Seems pretty simple to me.

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2144221)
This is from the YTCA website:

An Important Note About Color in Yorkshire Terriers

The most distinctive characteristic of an adult Yorkshire Terrier is its long blue
and tan silk coat. A puppy is born black and tan, but the only recognized colors for
adults when registering with AKC are blue and gold, blue and tan, black and gold,
or black and tan.

The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't
limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases
long-term illness and/or death. .

A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)
If you believe that you need a class. I have checked out many dogs and talked to many different breeders and never found even one person anywhere with a colored yorkie that had a problem of anykind. the same can not be said of the standard yorkies that are bred to close relatives to make a buck. I have seen more standard color yorkies with genetics problems than I can stand. Almost every time I go to a vet office there is one in there that someone bought for a so called good deal with tons of health problems.:thumbdown

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jrincon17 (Post 2144537)
what is a parti yorkie supposed to be?
Take two second and look up parti color.

parti-color - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by roxies_mom (Post 2144552)
Might not be a bad idea to email this info to those people. See if there's a reaction or not!! ;)
The reaction is that the YTCA is spreading Lies that do not have evidence to back them and all of the mindless sheep out here believe everything they read and do not bother to take the time to verify if something is true of not.:thumbdown

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Odie in London (Post 2144957)
I was shocked to see on the first link that ALL puppies were sold!
Why do people think that designer pups are the rage? It is very sad to see how these pups eyes look so sad :(
I have to agree with previous posts on the *not cute look* They don't look like happy puppies at all.
What a shame :(
They are all sold because the quality and health of her dogs is some of the highest around.

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2145190)
So she only uses the Cajun Kennels name? Off-topic a little....when a person has the word, 'kennel', in their name doesn't that typically imply a large breeding program? If so, why do people use this term??

(Just thinkin' out loud, I suppose)

Tammy
What is wrong with the word Kennel? AKC uses the word Kennel. AKC even gives you specific instructions on how to register your kennel name. Educate yourselves people.

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ringoandmommy (Post 2150362)
Someone a few pages ago said that since we were flaming the Parti breeder, how did we know ours was reputable.
I'm just not one for using quotes, that's all.

And it's just a gene they found in him and one of his sisters. It's a diabetic gene, just like the one in people that skips a generation. Therefore, it didn't affect him, but if he were bred, it could affect the next litter. So my breeder made an agreement that she would sell him to me for 800 instead of 2,500 dollars like the other litters of puppies were if I agreed to have him neutered, which she paid for, and I had no problem with, because I was planning on having him neutered anyway.
I don't know why it was only my boy and his sister that the gene showed up in, but my baby seems to be fine.
Let me get this straight. You bought a dog from a breeder who is breeding dogs that carry a defective gene and you have the nerve to flame a breeder who would never breed a dog that carries such a gene? That breeder you bought the dog from have it's parants fixed if they are passing on defective genes.

baileylouise 09-17-2008 06:48 PM
Hmmmmmmmm here we go again :)

tiggerr36792 09-17-2008 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2243510)
The reaction is that the YTCA is spreading Lies that do not have evidence to back them and all of the mindless sheep out here believe everything they read and do not bother to take the time to verify if something is true of not.:thumbdown
I'm not sure how you can truely belive this. YTCA is an important part of the Yorkshire Terrier Breed and it's standards! They do not spread lies.

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 2243654)
I'm not sure how you can truely belive this. YTCA is an important part of the Yorkshire Terrier Breed and it's standards!
I do believe they are very important but they have the same attitude towards off color dogs as many people do on here. So they print something about colors being a sign of genetic deffect which is not true. If color other than blue and tan was a defect then every other dog in every other breed would be blue and tan as well. There statement about this is simply not true and that is spreading misinformation.

baileylouise 09-17-2008 06:58 PM
I'm sorry that is by far a very rude comment. Which I might add? Shows your level of awareness of what is going on. To my knowledge everyone knows when you speak of a "yorkie" you speak of the standards...that has nothing to do with a car. Why would you even say that if we all want the same colored yorkies should we all drive the same colored car? Cars are each different and in different colors for a purpose. Yorkies on the other hand are not. Come on now.....don't be flashing that little comment about someone being an "idiot" if you can't prove that you yourself are not one indeed :)

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by baileylouise (Post 2243664)
I'm sorry that is by far a very rude comment. Which I might add? Shows your level of awareness of what is going on. To my knowledge everyone knows when you speak of a "yorkie" you speak of the standards...that has nothing to do with a car. Why would you even say that if we all want the same colored yorkies should we all drive the same colored car? Cars are each different and in different colors for a purpose. Yorkies on the other hand are not. Come on now.....don't be flashing that little comment about someone being an "idiot" if you can't prove that you yourself are not one indeed :)
You have made it very clear your opinion on things by bullying and belittling anyone who does not have the same dog as you. Yes it was very rude on my part. This entire thread is uncalled for and rude. Somebody decides to name call someone they do not know anything about. This is not the kind of person I would ever be friends with or want to ever be associated with. If you know nothing about someone you should keep your thoughts to your self. Now, if the OP went to Oklahoma and to Louisana to meet these two seperate breeders in person and then decided to make their comments that would be a different story. But they did not!!!!:thumbdown

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by baileylouise (Post 2243664)
I'm sorry that is by far a very rude comment. Which I might add? Shows your level of awareness of what is going on. To my knowledge everyone knows when you speak of a "yorkie" you speak of the standards...that has nothing to do with a car. Why would you even say that if we all want the same colored yorkies should we all drive the same colored car? Cars are each different and in different colors for a purpose. Yorkies on the other hand are not. Come on now.....don't be flashing that little comment about someone being an "idiot" if you can't prove that you yourself are not one indeed :)
ok, maybe cars are a bad example. Do you think that people with different color hair should not breed because any color variation from yours might show a genetic defect? Sounds pretty silly doesn't it. At least I hope you think what I just said is silly.

PrestigeousYT 09-17-2008 07:33 PM
This is a good article for those of you who are looking for the info behind these colors.

Top Yorkie Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Chocolate Yorkie Red Golden Blue Born Yorkshire Terrier

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Golden Parti 09-17-2008 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 2243729)
This is a good article for those of you who are looking for the info behind these colors.

Top Yorkie Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Chocolate Yorkie Red Golden Blue Born Yorkshire Terrier

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies
That is not a good article but for some reason it seems to be the one everyone who does not like color and partis always runs too. This guys state it as matter of fact and not even the YTCA position of might possible be. The back it with no facts and no proof. There are far more unhealthy, poorly breed tradition colored yorkies out there. I wonder if what they are saying on blue might be completely false as well. I do not know though because I have never talked to anybody who had one. I can tell you I have a friend who breeds blue Shar-Pei and the exact same thing was said about them at one time. Guess what, it turned out to be untrue.

andibaby 09-17-2008 07:48 PM
Just looked at the site-man am I behind on here-but can say that the price is ALOT overall. Especially for something not standard. I am not one to bash or judge-as I do not know these people personally or how they feel on things-but to charge more for something that is "different" is quite odd. These are pet quality-not show quality-as they are not recognized-but these are show prices. Am I correct? (or just rambling because I am tired?)

gardenyorkies 09-17-2008 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2243751)
That is not a good article but for some reason it seems to be the one everyone who does not like color and partis always runs too. This guys state it as matter of fact and not even the YTCA position of might possible be. The back it with no facts and no proof. There are far more unhealthy, poorly breed tradition colored yorkies out there. I wonder if what they are saying on blue might be completely false as well. I do not know though because I have never talked to anybody who had one. I can tell you I have a friend who breeds blue Shar-Pei and the exact same thing was said about them at one time. Guess what, it turned out to be untrue.
Whether it is a good article or not is opinion...Genetics are different for different breeds..such as...The genetic markers for the same diseases will be different for different breeds...Although often times when a new color of dog is bred from a genetic defect for the breed often times genetic diseases are brought out by those breedings....Ex...White Dalmations (deafness)...

To make matters worse...The gene pool is very concentrated when you only have 4 known gold/white partis to breed from...It will take many generations to determine the health outlook of this new color combination!


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