A lot of what is posted here is opinion...just because someone's opinion does not agree with yours...does not mean either are wrong...they're just different. ;)

I think he is beautiful, btw...

You weren't the only one that didn't like Marj's comments...."they aren't suppose to be anything." and "there's a sucker born every minute."

Then you are obviously not one of the "suckers" that she was talking about. :)

We all know that these guys are being sold as "rare" for outrageous prices to people who are uninformed as to what they even are. I think it's safe to say that not every breeder is honest and who knows what those who are selling these babies for $5000 or more are REALLY breeding to produce what they were selling. And there are people buying them because they don't know any better. THOSE are the "suckers" I believe that she was referring to. (The same as those who fork over thousands to get a "teacup" yorkie.) The same type "sucker" who would be fooled by a shady website. THOSE are the people she was referring to. (I think.) Unfortunately, the off-colored yorkies are not that common and a "new" concept...making them easier for dishonest breeders out to make a quick buck to market...thus fooling "suckers" (aka uninformed buyers.)

So let me get this right, if I bought from a breeder on YT that turned out to be horrible breeder but you guys gave good reviews on then I am the "Sucker". I have been doing a lot of reading on this YT site and there is one breeder that came to mind that people (YT members) raved about, then in the end she was considered a BYB, and videos to prove it. This really has become lets knock the people around for something that they like. I don't get this whole thread at all now. I guess this topic is hard to discuss with out hurting others feelings.

This really causes concern for me since I am considered one of the "sucker" buyers.

The most prolific line of Parti yorkies descend from CH Nikkos Rolls Royce Ashley.
I recently sold my first Parti Male who was all Nikkos breeding (at least 5 generations). He was by Nikkos Russian Roulette x Nikkos Magic in the Night. His breeders are listed as Starla Harris & Gloria Lipman.

It was the Nikkos lines (pups, parents ...) that were extensively DNA'd and as a result of everything DNAing correctly, AKC allowed the parti color to be registered.

At one time the breeder you speak of above...was a very respected breeder. Unfortunately the same can not be said TODAY.

Personally I bought a biewer...because I loved the coloring. I'd venture to guess....the looks are what the majority of people fall in love with. Owning a rare breed factored in ZERO in my decision to purchase one.

Yeah, I don't get this topic either anymore. I commented that I didn't interpret comments as insults... I never saw it proclaimed that "everyone who owns or obtains a parti yorkie is an uninformed sucker." But like with any breed, you have to do your research first to keep yourself from falling vicitm to the scams out there. I'm not proclaiming anyone here to be a "sucker"...I didn't make the comment, just explained my interpretation of it.:)

Now, as to why issues that aren't even remotely related to ANYTHING being brought up here are being discussed...you tell me what the point of that is, because I'm surely at a loss on that one.

Yes, this is a very touchy subject to discuss as there are many responsible parti owners out there like Tammy and JeanieK who are bearing the burden for what a bunch of scammers pull everyday. Sad, but true. Luckily for me, I have been able to talk with them about their viewpoints before now and understand and respect thier ideas and goals. Civil conversations DO happen here from time to time, and when they do, people actually learn from them.

Learn something new every day. So Nikkos shows up fairly often then? Just curious....I was just surprised to see the same name listed.

Btw, weren't you Lovie's breeder? I was a sucker for Lovie.

And occasionally...something miraculous happens and we all agree. ;)

Say it ain't so...:p

Yeah I look no further once I see "rare breed", maybe that is why I have never seen a parti until I saw Breezeaway's baby. And I have to say I LOVE the coloring also.

The Nikkos line is the best known (and trusted) line of parti's.

Yes, I'm Lovie's breeder, thank you! She is half sister to my little Remi (the cutie pie in my avitar with the green bow). Where Lovie had Nikkos on sire and dam side, Remi's Dad is Nikkos breeding and his mom is from an out cross parti line. YT member Rini Werner owns Remi's parti grandsire.

Thought so...I loved her. Unfortunately, we had just added Reggie to the family...and I'd had to listen to the pet limit speech...again.

I remember Rini.

:eek:Huh...What's THAT?!

My Livi comes from the Nikko line as well.

Tammy

It's where my husband says....Deb, you are at the pet limit. You have 2 dogs and 2 cats...that's it. You've reached your pet limit.

So then I added Reggie. :D

I'm at my NEW pet limit. ;)

Sometimes he adds the words....really, really...at your pet limit.

Oh, I see. Yeah, hubby decided to try that w/ me once until I started putting some 'limits' on him....he changed his tune really quick.

ETA...limits to his vices...electronics, mysteriously no caffeinated products in the house, no home cooked meals, etc.

If you notice my reply states a yorkie can have the recessive piebald gene with only subtle indications. Some people say it can be a mottling on the stomach or freckles on the roof of the mouth, and there may be other indications as well, but in general yorkies born with a recessive pie bald gene have no outstanding traits to indicate this. In order for a recessive gene to "show" or to be apparent in hair color, a yorkie must have 2 recessive genes, one from each parent. Just wanted to clear this up.

Ahh...don't waste your time..this thread stopped being "clear" pages ago! :jump28ib:

(just kidding)

I always hate when someone asks that innocent question, "What's a parti? It's kind of like when a child first asks, "Where do babies come from?"

So where do they??? :D

Um...

Bama....do you think I'm a ....sucker???

Uh-huh. :D At least I was hoping...

Tammy, I think you took my comments totally out of context. Both were in response to another post.

I had just pasted the section on off colored Yorkies from YTCA website. The poster asked what a parti was supposed to be. I said it wasn't supposed to be anything meaning there is no standard that dictates what they are supposed to look like since it is considered a color fault.

The "sucker being born every minute" was a direct response to the poster commenting on all the puppies with a "sold" sign next to $4,000 to $5,000 price tags. That was just a generic comment about anyone who would pay that much for a Yorkie from that breeder. We had all been commenting on how pitiful a lot of the puppies looked.

My comments were not meant to offend anyone and I apologize if they did. They were made early on in this thread when we were on topic. We were discussing how deceptive the marketing was by this particular kennel charging so much for mixes and off color Yorkies because they were "rare", just as it is deceptive to charge more for "teacups".

I know statements made on the internet can easily be misconstrued. I hope this clarified what I was trying to say for you.

Thank you everyone for replying. My friend Marc just came home from some military stuff, so I haven't gotten on because he's been reuniting with me and ringo.


Anyhow, I know for a fact that my dog is purebred yorkie, and he's still a puppy so his coat hasn't changed all the way yet, but so far, it's looking good. I'm not nessicarily going for perfection with him either. The breeder specifically sold him to me for 800 dollars because he does have a funny gene and she didn't want to sell him to anyone who was going to breed him again, and besides, once she told people, nobody else wanted him. So, I felt bad. He was the last puppy left in his litter.

I'm just glad she was honest with me, the gene isn't that bad, it's just a dormant one that can be activated or amplified in future generations for diabetees, but he's been checked and his blood sugar is good. At least she didn't try to sell him off as a normal puppy at regular price. And I had no problem paying 800 for him, because he is from a good bloodline, he's AKC, she paid for all of his medical exams, and she even gave me dog food.

I'm just upset that these breeders feed off of ignorance, and ignorant people don't even bother to do research before they invest so much money into a dog.

I'm sorry, you've lost me, did I miss something in the thread? What funny gene does your puppy have that is dormant and can be activated or amplified in future generations for diabetes?

I never said that people that buy from these breeders are suckers.
I'm just saying that I don't think this breeder knows what they're doing, and breeding defects over and over seems very irresponsible.
Sure, there might be a trusted Parti bloodline, and whomever started it may have known what they're doing, but I don't think these people do.

Someone a few pages ago said that since we were flaming the Parti breeder, how did we know ours was reputable.
I'm just not one for using quotes, that's all.

And it's just a gene they found in him and one of his sisters. It's a diabetic gene, just like the one in people that skips a generation. Therefore, it didn't affect him, but if he were bred, it could affect the next litter. So my breeder made an agreement that she would sell him to me for 800 instead of 2,500 dollars like the other litters of puppies were if I agreed to have him neutered, which she paid for, and I had no problem with, because I was planning on having him neutered anyway.
I don't know why it was only my boy and his sister that the gene showed up in, but my baby seems to be fine.

I'm confused, too. My Lady has been a diabetic for seven years so I know quite a bit about the disease and there is no genetic marker for diabetes. Was one of his close relatives diagnosed with diabetes after he was born? Is that why his breeder thinks he may carry the gene?

Diabetes usually doesn't start until they are older - after seven years old - so you won't really know if he will become diabetic until later on. If he does have diabetes in his family, be very careful about his diet. Just like with humans, genetics and obesity are the two main causes of diabetes. Steroid use and repeated bouts of pancreatitis can also cause diabetes so be very careful about about that, too.