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bchgirl 07-29-2008 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145020)
The Biewers originated from the same German line, originating from 2 standard yorkies and *should* be traceable back to that line. Currently there is a standard regarding placement of the colors, whereas "partis" do not. (Although if you want to get technical, "parties" don't really have a standard at all, so...) That's the answer ina nutshell, assuming you aren't interested in being assaulted with various Biewer websites all promoting their own varying adapted points of view.
LOL....

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2145015)
Hmmm, no. An AKC registered yorkie with a color variant is, indeed, a purebreed.
Very true. They are recognized by AKC for registration purposes...just not breed standard purposes.
But I'm sure many times those off-standard being advertised as 'rare' are truthfully NOT 100% yorkie.

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2145023)
LOL....
Well it's the truth, ain't it? ;) Sometimes people just want a simple answer. :p

bchgirl 07-29-2008 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145026)
Very true. They are recognized by AKC for registration purposes...just not breed standard purposes.
But I'm sure many times those off-standard being advertised as 'rare' are truthfully NOT 100% yorkie.
It's certainly a possibility if one is purchasing a puppy that is registered with some of the alternative registries. That is not to say I haven't seen AKC registered yorkies that are not good representations of the breed.

The real debate boils down to whether one thinks someone should breed against the standard....although to be quite honest...there are plenty of "standard" yorkies who are no where close to the standard.

bchgirl 07-29-2008 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145031)
Well it's the truth, ain't it? ;) Sometimes people just want a simple answer. :p

Ssssh..someone might hear you.

JeanieK 07-29-2008 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2144602)
Some yorkies have a recessive piebald gene; they look like regular yorkies except for some subtle things. If you breed two of these Yorkies together with the recessive piebald gene, some of the off spring will have white coloration on it, in no particular pattern. The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier was created this way, but taken several steps further, and the white coloration has to be in specific areas. The Biewer breeders are trying to get classified as a separate category in the AKC.
See my avatar those are parti yorkies. Nothing subtle about it.

The piebald gene is just one of the many unusual (odd) (rare) recessive genes that can show up in yorkies. They YTCA says not to breed for those traits. However if people had not bred for specific traits years ago we would not even have yorkshire terriers today.

If people like and desire the off colors why should the YTCA care. Many other breed clubs allow a variety of colors in the breed. It has nothing to do with the dtraditional standard colored yorkies.

However I do not like that site, They start out by saying they are a SMALL private kennel and then they list ALL of the dogs that they sell. Something is wrong with that picture.

Speaking of pictures all of the pictures of the puppies, have been cut and pasted onto the props.

JeanieK 07-29-2008 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145026)
Very true. They are recognized by AKC for registration purposes...just not breed standard purposes.
But I'm sure many times those off-standard being advertised as 'rare' are truthfully NOT 100% yorkie.
That is very true, and that is why it is important to research the breeder. I would not buy a parti colored yorkie if I wasn't comfortable with the breeder and the line that they came from.

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2145061)
That is very true, and that is why it is important to research the breeder. I would not buy a parti colored yorkie if I wasn't comfortable with the breeder and the line that they came from.
Agreed! :thumbup: As should be the case with ANY breeder, and ANY breed. :)

JeanieK 07-29-2008 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2144773)
Basicly, the other off color "yorkies" "designer breed" are in reality just a mix . :aimeeyork
That is not true. the first parti colored puppies, in the line that mine are from, came from two traditional colored yorkies, the sire was CH Rolls Royce Ashley from nikko kennels

JeanieK 07-29-2008 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145020)
The Biewers originated from the same German line, originating from 2 standard yorkies and *should* be traceable back to that line. Currently there is a standard regarding placement of the colors, whereas "partis" do not. (Although if you want to get technical, "parties" don't really have a standard at all, so...) That's the answer ina nutshell, assuming you aren't interested in being assaulted with various Biewer websites all promoting their own varying adapted points of view.
There is no standard for the parti color because a breed club has not yet been established to set a standard and the YTCA won't recognize them. At one time there was not standard for the Original yorkie either, until the YTCA set one. Which BTW has changed over the years, and can change again.

TammyJM 07-29-2008 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2145061)
That is very true, and that is why it is important to research the breeder. I would not buy a parti colored yorkie if I wasn't comfortable with the breeder and the line that they came from.
I agree with you....have to feel comfortable with your breeder and the lines of your dog....no matter what the color is.

Tammy

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2145072)
There is no standard for the parti color because a breed club has not yet been established to set a standard and the YTCA won't recognize them. At one time there was not standard for the Original yorkie either, until the YTCA set one. Which BTW has changed over the years, and can change again.
Understood...didn't mean that as a dig against them. :) Just that by comparison, at this point, there is a standard for color placement w/ Biewers, but not w/ Partis...just 3 colors w/ no specifics as to "where". (right?) That was it.

Do you think AKC will ever recognize a 'breed' club for off-standard colored Yorkies when technically, they are the same 'breed?' (Or is there hope that the YTCA will eventually change to allow it?) Would the only difference in standard be the 3 colors, with all else the same? (Or *should* it be in your opinion?)

bchgirl 07-29-2008 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2145072)
There is no standard for the parti color because a breed club has not yet been established to set a standard and the YTCA won't recognize them. At one time there was not standard for the Original yorkie either, until the YTCA set one. Which BTW has changed over the years, and can change again.
True, such as the recent addition of allowing a white patch on the chest.

chachi 07-29-2008 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2145075)
I agree with you....have to feel comfortable with your breeder and the lines of your dog....no matter what the color is.

Tammy
Tammy I love the saying you chose under your name in your avatar. Its cute and I hadnt noticed it before

Dreamer74 07-29-2008 06:50 AM
My question would be why the change of names and two different opperating websites?

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer74 (Post 2145129)
My question would be why the change of names and two different opperating websites?
LOL..you confused me for a minute, and then I realized you were responding to the actual original topic of the thread. :p What a novel idea!
Clearly the website is a bit on the shady side, imo.

TammyJM 07-29-2008 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2145105)
Tammy I love the saying you chose under your name in your avatar. Its cute and I hadnt noticed it before
Awww, thanks! ;) :)

Tammy

TammyJM 07-29-2008 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer74 (Post 2145129)
My question would be why the change of names and two different opperating websites?
I had kind of wondered the same thing.

bchgirl 07-29-2008 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145103)
Understood...didn't mean that as a dig against them. :) Just that by comparison, at this point, there is a standard for color placement w/ Biewers, but not w/ Partis...just 3 colors w/ no specifics as to "where". (right?) That was it.

Do you think AKC will ever recognize a 'breed' club for off-standard colored Yorkies when technically, they are the same 'breed?' (Or is there hope that the YTCA will eventually change to allow it?) Would the only difference in standard be the 3 colors, with all else the same? (Or *should* it be in your opinion?)
Do you mean in reference to partis? I would guess if the parent club, YTCA, who developed the standard...decided to change the standard then these dogs could be shown in confirmation events. They wouldn't ever be accepted as a seperate breed unless AKC changed their present rules... a color variation of an already recognized breed disqualifies them.

As far as biewers...I'm not sure it will ever happen. To have a breed accepted by AKC...they must be accepted into AKC's Foundation Stock Service Program. There are many rules and regulations in order to qualify.
One obstacle I see...the breed must be presently registered with a AKC recognized foreign or domestic registry and there simply isn't one on the list that specifies biewers.

More info on the fss program - Foundation Stock ServiceŽ Program

Then again...everything is subject to change. ;)

bchgirl 07-29-2008 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2145155)
I had kind of wondered the same thing.
The second site specifically says...formerly known as Cajun Kennels.

JeanieK 07-29-2008 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2145103)
Understood...didn't mean that as a dig against them. :) Just that by comparison, at this point, there is a standard for color placement w/ Biewers, but not w/ Partis...just 3 colors w/ no specifics as to "where". (right?) That was it.

Do you think AKC will ever recognize a 'breed' club for off-standard colored Yorkies when technically, they are the same 'breed?' (Or is there hope that the YTCA will eventually change to allow it?) Would the only difference in standard be the 3 colors, with all else the same? (Or *should* it be in your opinion?)
There is hope thatone of the above will happen. As for me peresonally, I would like to see a club started whether the AKC recognizes it, for showing purposes, or not. A club could be founded, and a standard set, that way breeders would havwe something to aim for, and it might help to get it recognized by the AKC.

I find it amusing that we are told that we cannot start our own breed, because they are "just yorkies" yet the YTCA won't recognize them as yorkies.:rolleyes: and many people insist that they are mixed.

TammyJM 07-29-2008 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2145180)
The second site specifically says...formerly known as Cajun Kennels.
So she only uses the Cajun Kennels name? Off-topic a little....when a person has the word, 'kennel', in their name doesn't that typically imply a large breeding program? If so, why do people use this term??

(Just thinkin' out loud, I suppose)

Tammy

JeanieK 07-29-2008 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2145104)
True, such as the recent addition of allowing a white patch on the chest.
LOL Gee wonder where that white patch came from.;)

Tnyorkiemom 07-29-2008 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2145190)
So she only uses the Cajun Kennels name? Off-topic a little....when a person has the word, 'kennel', in their name doesn't that typically imply a large breeding program? If so, why do people use this term??

(Just thinkin' out loud, I suppose)

Tammy
not neccessarily.......i know the the Biewer Club IBC requires a kennel name to be a member....(no im not a member) ...i know some breeders who are though and they had to change their websites to be allowed to join....so they added the word kennel to their names

TammyJM 07-29-2008 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2145188)
There is hope thatone of the above will happen. As for me peresonally, I would like to see a club started whether the AKC recognizes it, for showing purposes, or not. A club could be founded, and a standard set, that way breeders would havwe something to aim for, and it might help to get it recognized by the AKC.

I find it amusing that we are told that we cannot start our own breed, because they are "just yorkies" yet the YTCA won't recognize them as yorkies.:rolleyes: and many people insist that they are mixed.
Ahhhh, the idea of showing....Livi has the attitude and has been dreaming of this. I finally had to break down and tell her that YTCA says that she can't. :rolleyes: :p ;)

bchgirl 07-29-2008 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2145190)
So she only uses the Cajun Kennels name? Off-topic a little....when a person has the word, 'kennel', in their name doesn't that typically imply a large breeding program? If so, why do people use this term??

(Just thinkin' out loud, I suppose)

Tammy

Went back and looked...those are two different breeder's websites. The first is located in Lousiana and the second in Oklahoma.

Interesting side note - the second breeder lists her parti sire's pedigree back to Nikkos CH Rolls Royce.

TammyJM 07-29-2008 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 2145211)
not neccessarily.......i know the the Biewer Club IBC requires a kennel name to be a member....(no im not a member) ...i know some breeders who are though and they had to change their websites to be allowed to join....so they added the word kennel to their names
Gotcha...I didn't know this about the Biewers.

BamaFan121s 07-29-2008 07:58 AM
I think there is some confusion...

...between having a "kennel" and having the actual word "kennel" when referring to your breeding practice.

"Kennel" meaning a practice where dogs are housed, outside in 'units,' lots and lots of dogs. (Yeah, not a good thing.)

Or "Kennel" as in XYZ Kennels only referring to the name of the breeding program but not neccessarily meaning where the dogs are house or raised.


I may be wrong, but I think the IBC requires you have have a "name" for your program, but it does not have to have the word "kennel" within the name?


Geez...I don't know how to word it so that it makes sense...

Breezeaway 07-29-2008 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2144809)
There's a sucker born every minute. A parti Yorkie isn't supposed to be anything. It's a color fault;)
I have a Parti and I really do take offense to some of the talk about them that is getting to be on this forum. Like the ones above. I love my Boy just as much if not more than any of you, HE IS A YORKIE, He was out of 2 registered AKC parents and is Registered AKC. If this is all some can find to nit pick about maybe I need to find another forum.

yorkieisme 07-29-2008 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2145302)
I have a Parti and I really do take offense to some of the talk about them that is getting to be on this forum. Like the ones above. I love my Boy just as much if not more than any of you, HE IS A YORKIE, He was out of 2 registered AKC parents and is Registered AKC. If this is all some can find to nit pick about maybe I need to find another forum.
Here is the parti yorkie that I spoke of...he is a BEAUTIFUL yorkie. This little baby stole my heart the other day. WONDERFUL :D


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