Just a lil thought...

[peanut]

Thanks for the reminder of how we are suppose to act and be adults on this forum, and it is for the love of yorkies. I haven't been on much the past few months, a few minutes here and there, and some of the stuff I have read and seen have totally blown me away, what has happened. We are suppose to support each other, yes people will disagree and have there opinion, but to be proud of running people of the forum is crazy, how can you be happy and proud you did it? you just hurt the yorkies by not listening and trying to give advice to change them, so they know whats right, breed standard, and correct with the yorkie breed, now they will never learn, so how can you feel good about that. For newbies asking questions, get off your high horses cause I will bet that when we were just starting out learning about yorkies, we didn't know it all, and I dare say that not to many on YT know it all. One point in time this forum was like a big family, we laughed, cried and supported each other, thats what made it such a great place, and it can be better.
People are just going to have to stand up and help others out. How can rude comments and hurting others feelings benefit YT, it can't, it will only bring it down.
There are some great people on here, new & old, we need to realize that this is a forum about the yorkies and the people that love them. So wake up people and be more compassionate to others.

[luvinmyyorkies]

Wonderful!!! I agree totally!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by For My Coby

There are many many more kind people here than there are unkind ones. And I know that many unkind ones don't even mean to be. So if you don't click with some, please don't leave. Just search out some others of us to bond and chat with!!

THIS is SO true. For the new folks, please don't ever forget this. There is so much kindness here - and it far outweighs the negativity.

[BamaFan121s]

LOL...boy if I had a dollar for everytime I've seen that lecture...

Trust me, you are not the first to express those same concerns. I think one of the biggest problems is that it's hard to interpret the typed word and many times things are misinterpreted on all sides. I think that 'tact' and 'rudeness' are a matter of opinion and how we each individually interpret things. I also think that many times people get upset when they don't get the support, answers and adivce they want, but instead get the facts they need. Bottom line is, not everyone should breed and not every dog should be bred--that's not opinion, that is fact. If someone truly new to this breed is unaware of that and the risks involved, then IMO they need to be told--it's much better than the alternative. I've seen many long time, very accomplished and respected breeders here 'walk' from this forum because they were accused of being "rude" when all they did was give an answer. If it were me and my bitch's life was on the line, I'd rather have someone experienced and knowledgable telling me like it is instead of people just trying to 'be nice to me.'

But alas...this has all been said before, by all sides, all arguments and points stated and made and in the end, it makes NO DIFFERENCE. There are strong opinions here because people are passionate about this breed. (Otherwise none of us would be here! ) It's unrealistic to expect everyone here to conduct themselves in a manner in which everyone agrees on universally...because no such "manner" exists. (And that would be quite boring, I think.) People DO have a right to express the way they feel and their opinions, regardless to if others like it or not. And if they disagree with something that is posted, they have the choice and right to either express their opinion or ignore the thread. But still, that is their right, hate it or love it. That's just the way it is. If you can't handle differing opinions and strong personalities, then a public internet forum isn't the place for you. I have found that if it starts to really get to you, it's helpful to take a break from YT for a while and focus on something else for a bit, because if you are determined to change the way people react or post or their tone, you are going to be VERY disappointed both on this forum and in life.

[TootiesMom]

WOW, great post.... and one of MANY lately...... I hate that it has to be said....

I have been here a long time and stay WAYYY clear of the "brutal" members who feel the need to make others feel small...

BUT, please, please, know that MOST of our YT family are very nice, loving and caring people who just happen to ADORE our babies....

I dont post much, and NEVER get into a negative or highly debated topic, but I do appreciate many people here on YT... there really are some great people on here... just hang around and you will find them!

good luck, and please have a good time!
d

[lulababy]

I agree with what you are saying. I wish people would be nicer in general, under various circumstances

[sammiz]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...boy if I had a dollar for everytime I've seen that lecture...

Trust me, you are not the first to express those same concerns. I think one of the biggest problems is that it's hard to interpret the typed word and many times things are misinterpreted on all sides. I think that 'tact' and 'rudeness' are a matter of opinion and how we each individually interpret things. I also think that many times people get upset when they don't get the support, answers and adivce they want, but instead get the facts they need. Bottom line is, not everyone should breed and not every dog should be bred--that's not opinion, that is fact. If someone truly new to this breed is unaware of that and the risks involved, then IMO they need to be told--it's much better than the alternative. I've seen many long time, very accomplished and respected breeders here 'walk' from this forum because they were accused of being "rude" when all they did was give an answer. If it were me and my bitch's life was on the line, I'd rather have someone experienced and knowledgable telling me like it is instead of people just trying to 'be nice to me.'

But alas...this has all been said before, by all sides, all arguments and points stated and made and in the end, it makes NO DIFFERENCE. There are strong opinions here because people are passionate about this breed. (Otherwise none of us would be here! ) It's unrealistic to expect everyone here to conduct themselves in a manner in which everyone agrees on universally...because no such "manner" exists. (And that would be quite boring, I think.) People DO have a right to express the way they feel and their opinions, regardless to if others like it or not. And if they disagree with something that is posted, they have the choice and right to either express their opinion or ignore the thread. But still, that is their right, hate it or love it. That's just the way it is. If you can't handle differing opinions and strong personalities, then a public internet forum isn't the place for you. I have found that if it starts to really get to you, it's helpful to take a break from YT for a while and focus on something else for a bit, because if you are determined to change the way people react or post or their tone, you are going to be VERY disappointed both on this forum and in life.

Everybody has rights. That's the way it should be. There are basic human rights that I believe all are entitled to and one of the most basic is to treat others with dignity and respect, until it comes to a point when they forfeit that right. That can and does happen also.

These people that want to 'teach' can do it in a manner that is civil and I, for one, believe it needs to happen. If a person is incapable of learning they shouldn't be 'teaching'. When you teach by 'shoving it' it isn't a lesson well received or learned. Who wants to learn that way? Most will reject it simply because of the way it is delivered. A sincere desire to teach is not demonstrated by an overbearing rudeness but by actually taking the time to go through the process. Everyone doesn't learn at the same level or pace and that should be taken into consideration. That is, if one truly desires to 'teach'.

Yes. It has all been said before. I hope it will never stop being said. Because I still have a hope that the 'teachers' can also be 'learners' and that is why it needs to be said, yet again. When hope is lost what is there left? We all have a hope that more can be educated regarding how Yorkies should be cared for and treated. If we developed the attitude that it has all been said before and it won't make any difference, why bother to say it over and over again? Why???...because it might just teach one person today. Maybe another tomorrow. It has the potential to actually do some good.

We are a social society. We meet folks in the 'world' every day that are rude and seemingly uncaring. We have a choice of walking away or maybe making them understand that it isn't necessary to be rude to get one's point across. Sometimes the best choice is to just walk away...but not always. I would rather continue to make the effort than to give up on it. If the effort to create change is not made then we have no hope of change. Be it the way folks treat each other or the way folks treat their Yorkies.

So why give up on the people if we don't give up on the Yorkies? I believe if only one person finally 'gets it' then it is a betterment acheived. In either area. I also don't think that it means that if you continue to try to make a change, you will just end up disappointed in this forum and in life. Quite contrarily, I believe that when you give up trying is when you become disappointed in life.

Respectfully,

Sammi

[kinnykins]

I am a relativly new member, and I can honestly say I have had nothing but positive feedback and spport from everyone to my questions and quieries !! A BIG THANKYOU to everyone: !!

[sammiz]

Originally Posted by kinnykins

I am a relativly new member, and I can honestly say I have had nothing but positive feedback and spport from everyone to my questions and quieries !! A BIG THANKYOU to everyone: !!

That is delightful and I am very glad it is so! Welcome to YT! There is so much information here. I joined when I first began my search for a Yorkie. There are so many on here that are helpful if you have questions about your Yorkie.

I sincerely care for very many of the folks here. They will go out of their way to help and are extremely supportive.

I am usually on late at night and if I can ever help you in any way, please let me know.

[mayfateleadyou]

I have more recently debated on walking away from yt more and more. All due to the way people are treating others. Thankfully I haven't been on the receiving end of the rudeness I have seen. But I also can't stand sit quietly and watch people being torn to pieces over something they didn't know better. It is your right to speak your mind but it is also in society and the bible expected for you treat others with some respect in the begging. Nobody realizes how many hours I am on her on average 8+ a day. Yesterday was 16. Just reading. And some have been downright cruel and cold. Not learning the whole story in situations before jumping on someone. I love reading all of your experiences and joys and sorrows. I love the yorkie breed. But I am tired of people downright being rude.

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by Patti

Great post. I feel so bad when new people come on and are so happy and the within 10 post are so upset and wanting to leave. I have a pet store dog, a BYB dog and 2 breeder dogs and I love them all. There was a time when I thought there were teacup yorkies and that I was doing a good thing by getting a puppy out of a bad situation ie pet store, byb. If someone comes on here and feels welcome and stays they will realize the probelms with buying from petstores and that there is no such thing as a teacup, but they need to come to that conclusion on their own, not by being jumped on.

[nencm]

Originally Posted by sammiz

Everybody has rights. That's the way it should be. There are basic human rights that I believe all are entitled to and one of the most basic is to treat others with dignity and respect, until it comes to a point when they forfeit that right. That can and does happen also.

These people that want to 'teach' can do it in a manner that is civil and I, for one, believe it needs to happen. If a person is incapable of learning they shouldn't be 'teaching'. When you teach by 'shoving it' it isn't a lesson well received or learned. Who wants to learn that way? Most will reject it simply because of the way it is delivered. A sincere desire to teach is not demonstrated by an overbearing rudeness but by actually taking the time to go through the process. Everyone doesn't learn at the same level or pace and that should be taken into consideration. That is, if one truly desires to 'teach'.

Yes. It has all been said before. I hope it will never stop being said. Because I still have a hope that the 'teachers' can also be 'learners' and that is why it needs to be said, yet again. When hope is lost what is there left? We all have a hope that more can be educated regarding how Yorkies should be cared for and treated. If we developed the attitude that it has all been said before and it won't make any difference, why bother to say it over and over again? Why???...because it might just teach one person today. Maybe another tomorrow. It has the potential to actually do some good.

We are a social society. We meet folks in the 'world' every day that are rude and seemingly uncaring. We have a choice of walking away or maybe making them understand that it isn't necessary to be rude to get one's point across. Sometimes the best choice is to just walk away...but not always. I would rather continue to make the effort than to give up on it. If the effort to create change is not made then we have no hope of change. Be it the way folks treat each other or the way folks treat their Yorkies.

So why give up on the people if we don't give up on the Yorkies? I believe if only one person finally 'gets it' then it is a betterment acheived. In either area. I also don't think that it means that if you continue to try to make a change, you will just end up disappointed in this forum and in life. Quite contrarily, I believe that when you give up trying is when you become disappointed in life.

Respectfully,

Sammi

Bravo!!!!! Well said!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by sammiz

I also don't think that it means that if you continue to try to make a change, you will just end up disappointed in this forum and in life.

I think you misunderstood...I didn't mean diasppointed if you try to make a change, I meant disappointed if expect to control the way others think, or post, as is the case here. Big difference between making a change and trying to control others. If you expect everyone to fit one mold and conform to one way of responding, then yes, you are bound for disappointment, cause it ain't gonna happen, nor should it. People don't lose their "rights" to expressing the way they feel just because others don't like their point of view or the way it was expressed. Furthermore, who's "right" is it to make that call? Again, civilty is a matter or perception.

Has this all been said before? Yes
Will it be said again? Yes
Is there any reason why these concerns shouldn't be said again? Nope, not if someone truly feels strongly about it.

My point was, is it likely that it will magically "change" the situation? Nope, no more than the dozen other times it's been stated. But again, if it will open up ONE person's mind a little, then it's not a loss.

Personally, I would be very discouraged if people stopped showing the passion they have for Yorkies here. I respect anyone who takes the time to give adivce and help others out...regardless of how the information is delivered. And like you have pointed out, if only 1 person "gets it" then it was not a loss and something was achieved.

And this is all generally speaking, not addressed at anyone in particular...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by peanut

you just hurt the yorkies by not listening and trying to give advice to change them, so they know whats right, breed standard, and correct with the yorkie breed, now they will never learn, so how can you feel good about that. For newbies asking questions, get off your high horses cause I will bet that when we were just starting out learning about yorkies, we didn't know it all, and I dare say that not to many on YT know it all.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that those who come here 'just starting out' shouldn't be taught aspects like breed standards, the ins and outs of breeding, etc? I don't get that statement, but I may just be misreading it.

You are right! No one started off knowing everything. And I've never seen anyone here or elsewhere claim that they officially know everything there is to know and can't possibly learn anymore. Even breeders that have been learning 30+ years still learn new aspects daily and will be the first to admit that. But at the same time, if someone does have knowledge that others will benefit from, then it should be shared. Not because anyone is on their "high horse" or thinks that they are superior to others, but because they may actually have something to say that will help.

[LuvMySissy]

Originally Posted by Wigfur

I've been a member here for a few months now, I've donated, joined a few groups and even signed up for the GE which I can not wait to see who I get to spoil.... But lately such hateful posts have made me wonder about this forum. I understand everyone wants to educate people,and things like "teacup" yorkie and "puppymill" words upset everyone. But something I would like to remind everyone, we didn't all always have the understanding we do now,and many of us,myself included are still learning how to care for our precious babies. But would it not be better to be a lil easier on new members looking for information and wanting to understand the breed. Rather then chasing them away and making them feel they can't ask questions about anything because they will get hateful comments in return? Try to remember, we are all people here, we are not perfect,NONE of us are. Try to remember what brings us here is our love for our lil fur babies and our want to keep them safe and do right by them. Think of how much most of us would not learn if we did not have other Yorkie Owners to teach us? Papers, no papers, no matter where the puppies come from,they are all the puppies we love. Gentle not so rough... I love this place,and would like for everyone that comes here new to get the same chance I did to learn about their lil ones. Try to remember each poster is a person , not just font on a screen.

This is a great post!!! Everyone needs to remember that at one time none of us knew the information we do now. And rather than be rude and self-righteous, your words can be courteous and helpful without being sugar coated. It is about treating others as you wish to be treated - plain and simple.