APRI to AKC?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Kennel inspections. I stated that based on actual experience, not links. (I turned in someone w/ dual AKC/CKC dogs in 2002--they had about 50 of them in a barn, admitted they didn't know the exact number they owned. BOTH CKC and AKC sent reps to inspect the premisis.)

From the 'Faq' section of their website:
"CKC takes all complaints received about a CKC member seriously and will begin an investigation immediately. If necessary, CKC will make on-site inspections, collect sample DNA swabs, and collect documentation from professionals such as veterinarians, groomers, or breeders."

I'm sure you could contact the organization if you want an in depth description of their procedures for handling these situations and they would help you out.

As far as 'links,'

I'm sorry, but are you sure you are not confusing the CKC Continental Kennel Club with the legitimate Canadian Kennel Club (CKC)? As far as personal experience goes, sometimes people are mistaken. It's good to have things backed up with facts. I personally wouldn't take someone's word over the phone, I would want to see it in writing because that's the only way you can be sure, or have legal recourse.

Here is information taken from taken from AKC website:

"The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2007, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,600 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs." American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

I'm not sure why you did not provide the link, but here is the link to the CKC, I could not find anything about them doing inspections, could you please point this out? Continental Kennel Club

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm sorry, but are you sure you are not confusing the CKC Continental Kennel Club with the legitimate Canadian Kennel Club (CKC)? As far as personal experience goes, sometimes people are mistaken. It's good to have things backed up with facts. I personally wouldn't take someone's word over the phone, I would want to see it in writing because that's the only way you can be sure, or have legal recourse.

Here is information taken from taken from AKC website:

"The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2007, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,600 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs." American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

I'm not sure why you did not provide the link, but here is the link to the CKC, I could not find anything about them doing inspections, could you please point this out? Continental Kennel Club

No, I am not confusing Continental w/ Canadian. It was Continental I was referring to and that I was using as an example in order to correct a mistruth.

I'm not sure why what AKC has posted on their site is relevant here...I'm not debating that they do inspections nor am I challenging that they are the most strict with the practice. I don't see from my previous post where I challenged anything the AKC does...? What exactly is the point posting that excerpt?

I didn't post the CKC link I guess basically because I am lazy and figure that it would be easy enough to find. My mistake, here it is: Continental Kennel Club - FAQS

Bottom line, I wasn't trying to discredit AKC or promote one registry over another. Simply put, the statement was made that AKC was the only organization that did kennel inspections, which is not accurate--that is all I was trying to point out. My statments are no more or less credible than any of the others made here.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No, I am not confusing Continental w/ Canadian. It was Continental I was referring to and that I was using as an example in order to correct a mistruth.

I'm not sure why what AKC has posted on their site is relevant here...I'm not debating that they do inspections nor am I challenging that they are the most strict with the practice. I don't see from my previous post where I challenged anything the AKC does...? What exactly is the point posting that excerpt?

I didn't post the CKC link I guess basically because I am lazy and figure that it would be easy enough to find. My mistake, here it is: Continental Kennel Club - FAQS

Bottom line, I wasn't trying to discredit AKC or promote one registry over another. Simply put, the statement was made that AKC was the only organization that did kennel inspections, which is not accurate--that is all I was trying to point out. My statments are no more or less credible than any of the others made here.

I listed the link to the AKC because they say they are the only ones that do Kennel inspections, I could not find the link you provided, in the CKC FAQ section so I appreciate you giving it to me. In the link you provided it does state that they take all complaints they receive seriously, and if necessary will do an on site investigation. I'm not sure what they mean by "if necessary", however this cannot be compared with AKC that does random visits, they do inspections whether or not there has been a complaint filed.

[Nancy1999]

I wonder why you can't find your link from this link: Continental Kennel Club

[Nancy1999]

Here's a independent link that gives information on the different registries Registries


"There are many registries, organizations and 'networks' popping up all over the internet. A good rule of thumb when trying to evaluate the validity and integrity of any organization is to examine their purpose (i.e., mission/goals) and to also investigate their standards and practices, making sure that you VERIFY the information they present. A breeder whose puppies are registered with any of the following "alternative" registries is not a breeder you want to deal with. Most of these registries were begun in response to the AKC’s Frequently Used Sires Requirement and inspections of large kennels producing more than 7 litters in a year for AKC and 10 litters for UKC. This requirement has resulted in the litters of many puppy mills and backyard breeders being turned down by AKC because the breeders refused to positively identify the father of the litter through a DNA test.

Here are some of the alternative registries, with whom anyone at all can register a dog regardless of its parentage as long as you pay the fee. Many *register* mixed breeds and require no proof of parentage and are promoters of the commercial breeder and puppy reseller (broker to pet stores). Please note that some of the registries have similar or the same initials as the older and well established registries. This can cause confusion for consumers. Don't be fooled.

APRI - AMERICA'S PET REGISTRY INC. Advertises free registration for commercial breeders. Non Profit 'dedicated to the preservation of the professional pet industry', dogs and cats. Founded by retailers of pets (commercial breeders and resellers).


CKC-Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club!)
CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs (such as Puppy Mills). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries."


Remember since the AKC has cracked down on puppy mills, the breeders looked elsewhere for some kind of certification and these alternative registries popped up. When researching these alternative clubs don't just look at what the clubs themselves say, or what the breeders and puppy brokers say because both would like to mislead you. Look for independent information, people who will not make money based upon your decision.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I listed the link to the AKC because they say they are the only ones that do Kennel inspections, I could not find the link you provided, in the CKC FAQ section so I appreciate you giving it to me. In the link you provided it does state that they take all complaints they receive seriously, and if necessary will do an on site investigation. I'm not sure what they mean by "if necessary", however this cannot be compared with AKC that does random visits, they do inspections whether or not there has been a complaint filed.

No, they claim to be the only ones that do ROUTINE inspections...meaning on their own, without a complaint being filed...which I stated from the start w/ my first post. Thus my confusion for what the excerpt posted added that hadn't already been stated.
I would assume that "if necessary" meant just that--if that's what it takes to solve the problem or research the complaint. Complaints can come for a wide variety of reasons--some I'm sure can be solved w/out a trip to the breeder's home.

And I certainly didn't claim that it can be 'compared' to AKC as I already stated my opinion that they are more strict with the practice.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Here's a independent link that gives information on the different registries Registries


"There are many registries, organizations and 'networks' popping up all over the internet. A good rule of thumb when trying to evaluate the validity and integrity of any organization is to examine their purpose (i.e., mission/goals) and to also investigate their standards and practices, making sure that you VERIFY the information they present. A breeder whose puppies are registered with any of the following "alternative" registries is not a breeder you want to deal with. Most of these registries were begun in response to the AKC’s Frequently Used Sires Requirement and inspections of large kennels producing more than 7 litters in a year for AKC and 10 litters for UKC. This requirement has resulted in the litters of many puppy mills and backyard breeders being turned down by AKC because the breeders refused to positively identify the father of the litter through a DNA test.

Here are some of the alternative registries, with whom anyone at all can register a dog regardless of its parentage as long as you pay the fee. Many *register* mixed breeds and require no proof of parentage and are promoters of the commercial breeder and puppy reseller (broker to pet stores). Please note that some of the registries have similar or the same initials as the older and well established registries. This can cause confusion for consumers. Don't be fooled.

APRI - AMERICA'S PET REGISTRY INC. Advertises free registration for commercial breeders. Non Profit 'dedicated to the preservation of the professional pet industry', dogs and cats. Founded by retailers of pets (commercial breeders and resellers).


CKC-Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club!)
CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs (such as Puppy Mills). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries."


Remember since the AKC has cracked down on puppy mills, the breeders looked elsewhere for some kind of certification and these alternative registries popped up. When researching these alternative clubs don't just look at what the clubs themselves say, or what the breeders and puppy brokers say because both would like to mislead you. Look for independent information, people who will not make money based upon your decision.

Honestly, I'm not sure when this became a debate over which is the best registry...

The link you have posted is just that and nothing more--one person's (Jeanie Hale's) opinion. (Which also has some inaccurate information--1) CKC DOES sponsor events, just not conformation events, 2) to the best of my knowledge, doesn't give breaks to anyone) And as you mentioned, best not to just 'take someone's word for it.' We are all entitled to an opinion, each one as credible as the next.

I don't think that anyone can argue that being an AKC breeder does not automatically make you ethical nor does it automatically deem your dogs of a quality that should be bred. There are good and bad breeders in ANY registry. It's very important to research the breeder and the dog before making you decision and what (if anything) the registry they use offers and how it best suits what you are looking for.

[Nancy1999]

While I'm sure there are some lousy breeders with the AKC, and that not all of them are "good" breeders, in my opinion there are NO good breeders with the other clubs mentioned. One has different standards for what they considerer to be a "good" breeder, and I realize that my standards are very high in this regard, but the first thing absolutely necessary before breeding would be to do a massive amount of research on the subject, and if the breeder hasn't even learned in his research to start breeding with the best dogs possible and the best registry, than that's one huge mistake on his part. This is my opinion you are entitled to your own on what makes a good breeder. Do any of these other registries have Parent Clubs such as the YTCA or do they breed to standard? I'm pretty sure the answer is No.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

While I'm sure there are some lousy breeders with the AKC, and that not all of them are "good" breeders, in my opinion there are NO good breeders with the other clubs mentioned. One has different standards for what they considerer to be a "good" breeder, and I realize that my standards are very high in this regard, but the first thing absolutely necessary before breeding would be to do a massive amount of research on the subject, and if the breeder hasn't even learned in his research to start breeding with the best dogs possible and the best registry, than that's one huge mistake on his part. This is my opinion you are entitled to your own on what makes a good breeder. Do any of these other registries have Parent Clubs such as the YTCA or do they breed to standard? I'm pretty sure the answer is No.

You are entitled to that opinion and I respect that. I disagree, but respect it nonetheless. I understand your points and realize that they are very valid, important concerns.
Again, the 'best dogs' and the 'best registry' and the 'best breeders' are opinion, nothing more. There are many CKC dogs out there that are far better representation of the breed than AKC dogs that don't even resemble what a Yorkie is by definition. I do not know what every registry uses as their standard...I know most use the standard set forth by the AKC/YTCA, but I can't speak for every single one out there.
There are AKC breeders galore that don't breed to the standard as well. This is a BREEDER problem...nothing to do with the registry.
For the record, I agree that AKC is the organization that paved the path and continues to do so. I just don't think that a responsible, ethical, good breeder can be made or broken due to the registry they choose alone.
But again, arguing about registry was not my intent in posting--it was just to correct the statement regarding kennel inspections, which has been explained and done at this point.

[lovenmyyorkie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't even understand why she was registered with APRI if she was supposedly registered originally with AKC. It doesn't make sense to me. The only one who can help you is the breeder, she has got to give you the litter registration number, and then you can register your puppy with the AKC. I have a feeling this won't happen.

That is what i am figuring too!!

The lady where we got her hadn't even changed the papers from APRI to her own name. (She had he dog for over a year...) I do not know if she even had the AKC papers at all but I am going to make a trip to find out soon!
APRI was the one who told me she was registered with AKC first.

[yoyo27]

I have on APRI dog and I know for sure that breeder doesn't have akc, as possible down the line there was akc. But that breeder doesn't do akc anymore because of all the restrictions. My other dogs are all AKC and I would love to have Zoie changed but the way I have read that you couldn't get it over to AKC unles you know for sure the parents are AKC. I have a breeder now that uses both names and she talked me out of AKC when I wanted that the first time. I would say that would be eligable. But I'm not sure I just know I have always done AKC and really upset I have one dog now which I dearly love but wish I had never purchased from that breeder/puppy mill is what I believe they really are. My dog doesn't seem to have any problems but I know they cross breed about everything. I also know that I'm not happy about how they do there yorkies I don't think they do the breeding in the best interest of the dog breed. I hate that when I see that happening. I know they have lots of hernias and some dogs that are blind and all kinds of terrible things. They sell as is and so you are stuck after you purchase. If you don't know what you are looking for the first time you can get stuck with some real issues you don't know about till you go to your vet. Amazing these places can still operate.