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Key2Yorkies 05-15-2008 12:25 PM

YorkieK9trainer,
Are you ever near Frankfort, Mokeena, New Lenox, Orland Park, or Tinley Park? Basically the S.W. Suburbs.

yorkieK9trainer 05-15-2008 12:27 PM

Sure am! That's less than an hour drive (depending on traffic) for me.

cesar49 05-15-2008 12:36 PM

Training should have come long before all this happened.

:thumbup::thumbup:

Key2Yorkies 05-15-2008 12:53 PM

Training for me or the original poster? Atleast in my case I dealt with the problem B4 it got too bad. As soon as Roxy got hurt at all I knew something had to be done ASAP. That is why she is at my Father inlaws. I only have 2 girls not 8 or more like the original poster that had 3 deaths. This is about all I can handle.

myyorkies8 05-15-2008 02:59 PM

answer
 
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Originally Posted by sammiz (Post 1983432)
Mercy!

How old is she? Did she just 'change' towards them? For sure you will have to keep her away from any others but maybe she should just be in a family that has only one dog. I don't see how you can change that behavior. And even if you could, I don't know how you would ever be able to have 'trust' that it won't happen again. I wouldn't risk another.

How many dogs do you have?

I am so very sorry this has happened to you and them. How very sad for all concerned. :cry:

she is 8 yrs old and she has put all of mine in place but to that extreme just in the past few months....I have 14.

sheilajom 05-15-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990090)
she is 8 yrs old and she has put all of mine in place but to that extreme just in the past few months....I have 14.

So what are you going to do about it? Let it keep happening, rehome her, get training?

myyorkies8 05-15-2008 03:28 PM

response to some of the threads
 
i would like to thank everyone who has posted their opionins...but i am a responsable breeder and she killed booboo when she was in heat and rambo had cancer and we had to put him down and kermie she killed also. i never thought after the attack that it would happen again. she has babies right now and was being protective and it went to far. she has never bit a child...i have children!!! lollie has been seperated from all the rest of my furbutts and that is how it will stay from now on. i have 14 spoiled furbratz that all sleep with me and have never had this happen in the 10 yrs i have been breeding. i would not put her to sleep unless she had a health issue. i will be having her spayed when her babies are weened.

TyraandMrJ 05-15-2008 03:46 PM

Wait a minute the dog in question has puppies
 
and she's 8 years old? WHAT! tyty

TyraandMrJ 05-15-2008 03:50 PM

OK not a breeder but how it that responable?
 
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Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990149)
i would like to thank everyone who has posted their opionins...but i am a responsable breeder and she killed booboo when she was in heat and rambo had cancer and we had to put him down and kermie she killed also. i never thought after the attack that it would happen again. she has babies right now and was being protective and it went to far. she has never bit a child...i have children!!! lollie has been seperated from all the rest of my furbutts and that is how it will stay from now on. i have 14 spoiled furbratz that all sleep with me and have never had this happen in the 10 yrs i have been breeding. i would not put her to sleep unless she had a health issue. i will be having her spayed when her babies are weened.

She's eight years old and has killed other dogs so breed her? I'm done. tyty

girdygirl 05-15-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TyraandMrJ (Post 1990209)
She's eight years old and has killed other dogs so breed her? I'm done. tyty

She already has the pups. She is going to spade her when the pups are weened.

TyraandMrJ 05-15-2008 04:06 PM

My understanding she killed before being breed,
 
Okay now I'm truly confused. I got shot a link about yorkie breeding and sorry that's kind of old to be having puppies. And she's killed before.

Woogie Man 05-15-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990149)
i would like to thank everyone who has posted their opionins...but i am a responsable breeder and she killed booboo when she was in heat and rambo had cancer and we had to put him down and kermie she killed also. i never thought after the attack that it would happen again. she has babies right now and was being protective and it went to far. she has never bit a child...i have children!!! lollie has been seperated from all the rest of my furbutts and that is how it will stay from now on. i have 14 spoiled furbratz that all sleep with me and have never had this happen in the 10 yrs i have been breeding. i would not put her to sleep unless she had a health issue. i will be having her spayed when her babies are weened.

Thanks for coming on and clarifying things a bit. This has to be a real tragedy for you. There have been some good posts on this thread about dog behavior that may be helpful to you in the future. IMO, Lollie would be better off being re-homed. She will feel left out to be segregated after all this time with the others. Ideally, you could find a great home for her without the things that provoke her aggression. Best to you and good luck. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

myyorkies8 05-15-2008 04:30 PM

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okay i have now read all the post and let me tell you my side...for 1 i just lost a fur child and have not been on here to repond because i have been busy!!!!!!! she didn't kill 3 it was 2...not that thats any better..but i am not sure she killed boo boo i just asumed it because she is the agressive one out of the bunch and they were outside going potty when it happend!!!! rambo had cancer and had to be put down. did i witness the killing NO!!!!!!!!!! i am asumming it was her because i know how she is. i'm not keeping her because i breed her it is because i love her and all my fur kidz!!!!!!! my dogs went outside to go potty and it happend!!!!!why do some of you feel beeing rude and bit**ing is what this thread needed? and i have no reason to have to defend myself to any of yall complaining that i was in the wrong!!!!!! yes i am a groomer...an excellent groomer and i don't have her around any of them or when i dog sit. i won't be getting rid of any of my dogs they are my fur kids and i realy don't care what some of you think...you have not been in that situaion and it could happen to anyone and i did not think she would go to that extreme...but no i did not see it....there was not a mark on either of them.nowhere!!!! and none were sick or had any health problems. so it has to be her. she will not be around them again! i take care of my dogs and don't like people saying i don't! i had people here buying a puppy when it happend. i let them out and answered the door and went to let them back in and about 15 minutes later to show the people the parents of the baby they wanted and saw him laying on the deck...i was heart broken. they were barking when the people were here and didn't here and dogs fighting so i think it was her because she is the leader here and i am keeping her seperated so it don't happen again. i don't need to defend myself and was not avoiding answering anything...this is the first i have been on here in a few days. i have a vet tech that works for me and all my dogs are taken care of 100% and i'm sorry some of you feel that i did something wrong...i would of never thought that would happen. but i know it won't again i promise you that.

Key2Yorkies 05-15-2008 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990149)
i would like to thank everyone who has posted their opionins...but i am a responsable breeder and she killed booboo when she was in heat and rambo had cancer and we had to put him down and kermie she killed also. i never thought after the attack that it would happen again. she has babies right now and was being protective and it went to far. she has never bit a child...i have children!!! lollie has been seperated from all the rest of my furbutts and that is how it will stay from now on. i have 14 spoiled furbratz that all sleep with me and have never had this happen in the 10 yrs i have been breeding. i would not put her to sleep unless she had a health issue. i will be having her spayed when her babies are weened.

First off I want to say I'm glad you came back to explain things to us a bit further. So Lolly actually didn't kill Rambo or hurt him at all? I can understand her hormones were raging when she was in heat & I'm sorry for your loss of Booboo. I understand that was unexspected since it had never happened B4. Also a new Mother will kill if she feels her babies are at risk. If Kermie did something to make her feel threatened.I am also so very sorry Kermie had to die as well. I am sure you never thought she would do it again but knowing she had new babies & what she had done while her hormones were raging while in heat. Are you a Mother? Any human Mother knows that hormones get totally out of wack after a delivery, I'm sure it can't be much different in the Animal Kingdom. Humans just have Religion and Morals to keep us in line. But even with those things ingrained in us I Mother of 4 confess I would KILL ANYBODY that tried to harm my Children to this day & the youngest is 19. I'm just trying to understand poor Lolly's extreme behavior. Sorry if I get carried away with comparing Animals to People but it seems to work for me.
I personally would not breed an 8 yr old dog and also have talked to quite a few Vets about it since my Roxy will be 5 this year. Out of all of them only two country Vets said as long as the dog is in good health it is OK to breed until 8 or 9 tops. All of the rest of them were from the Chgoland area & SW Suburbs said to stop at 6 yrs. at the very latest. I think it's time you give your poor Lolly a rest & have her Spayed. I'm glad you have made that discission. Then I think you should contact yorkieK9trainer & take her up on her offer.

Key2Yorkies 05-15-2008 04:58 PM

I was writing my post when you posted your 2nd response. So Boo didn't have a mark on him? Then what about Kermie? were you present then? Sorry if you stated it already & I missed it.

myyorkies8 05-15-2008 05:08 PM

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not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

bjh 05-15-2008 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990455)
not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

I am so confused....you found your dog dead, without a mark but you think your female killed him? It does not sound like she killed him. Maybe he got excited and had a heart attack or maybe he choked on something. I know last year a certain heart worm preventative was causing dogs to drop dead. I know you are devastated by all this. I am sorry for your loss.

Txgurl06 05-15-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1988391)
I did not want to post again but you are reading my post all wrong and even though I post again to explain it, it probably won't change your mind so I really don't know why I am about to waste my time. But....

I never said the owner was not at fault, in fact I think there should be no less than a $5000 fine on the record so we know how many times these people have allowed this to happen and get away with it. In some cases the owner should go to jail. What I did say was that only blaming the owner is not fixing the problem. The dog is a killer. I also said the owner was irresponsible and I think it best you read all posts.

sorry for misreading!

Txgurl06 05-15-2008 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990324)
okay i have now read all the post and let me tell you my side...for 1 i just lost a fur child and have not been on here to repond because i have been busy!!!!!!! she didn't kill 3 it was 2...not that thats any better..but i am not sure she killed boo boo i just asumed it because she is the agressive one out of the bunch and they were outside going potty when it happend!!!! rambo had cancer and had to be put down. did i witness the killing NO!!!!!!!!!! i am asumming it was her because i know how she is. i'm not keeping her because i breed her it is because i love her and all my fur kidz!!!!!!! my dogs went outside to go potty and it happend!!!!!why do some of you feel beeing rude and bit**ing is what this thread needed? and i have no reason to have to defend myself to any of yall complaining that i was in the wrong!!!!!! yes i am a groomer...an excellent groomer and i don't have her around any of them or when i dog sit. i won't be getting rid of any of my dogs they are my fur kids and i realy don't care what some of you think...you have not been in that situaion and it could happen to anyone and i did not think she would go to that extreme...but no i did not see it....there was not a mark on either of them.nowhere!!!! and none were sick or had any health problems. so it has to be her. she will not be around them again! i take care of my dogs and don't like people saying i don't! i had people here buying a puppy when it happend. i let them out and answered the door and went to let them back in and about 15 minutes later to show the people the parents of the baby they wanted and saw him laying on the deck...i was heart broken. they were barking when the people were here and didn't here and dogs fighting so i think it was her because she is the leader here and i am keeping her seperated so it don't happen again. i don't need to defend myself and was not avoiding answering anything...this is the first i have been on here in a few days. i have a vet tech that works for me and all my dogs are taken care of 100% and i'm sorry some of you feel that i did something wrong...i would of never thought that would happen. but i know it won't again i promise you that.

you asked for advice and so we gave it going off your original post. Maybe you should go back and reread your first post to see how all this could have been mistaken by us. From what i read you said she killed 2 dogs and were asking for advice and so people gave it going on your details. Now you are saying more and explaining better i think a lot of people might change their opinions. not saying i would but maybe some.

so reread and see how this could have gotten all mixed up.

sammiz 05-15-2008 07:23 PM

I am so sorry that any of this happened to your babies and to you. I would also like to say that I don't think I would have made a post like that and stayed away from the forum for a few days. That was a pretty provocative post that would make many want to respond.

I think it started going a bit south because there was no input from you. It would have helped, I think.

It is a fearsome thing to have an animal that kills your other animals. It provokes deep feelings in folks. I am not making excuses for anyone. I just think it was an emotional post and drew out emotional responses.

All the best to you and your babies. I do hope that you are successful in keeping her separate from the others and are able to avert further tragedy, for them and for yourself. What a nightmarish experience!

LuvmyYorkies2 05-15-2008 07:43 PM

I know this is a difficult situation for you. Maybe you should still reach out to YorkieK9trainer to maybe evaluate her...it's awfully nice to offer free services...wouldn't hurt. Maybe she didn't do it but if you're saying you know she the aggressor of the bunch, it wouldn't hurt to see what her probabilities are or may be in the future. You've had her for so long and I would hate to think she has to be locked away from everyone after being used to being with everyone, including sleeping in the bed with you like everyone else, especially if her problem can be evaluated and fixed. Just a thought! I wish you the best of luck!

Sawyers mommy 05-15-2008 07:47 PM

I apologize for thinking it might have been a hoax. I was negligent in checking to see if you were a regular poster. I trulley am sorry. As for your girl; you know her best, and if you think she caused this, she probably did. After reading your response though, it seems there may have been reasons for the attacks. I had visions of little dogs being ripped up badly by a vicious female, that was not the case. The first time the whole pack was overly excited by someone at the door, and it could have been an accident. The second time she was probably defending her puppies. I still think she is overly aggressive; but working with a trainer might be the ticket to save her, and neutering her will definetly take her out of her position as head of the pack. Good luck, and please accept my apology. Sherry

Key2Yorkies 05-15-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8 (Post 1990455)
not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

Wow that is so strange, I can kind of see how you gave her the benefit of the doubt & didn't want to believe it was her. I'm starting to feel the same way. But definitely think the worst unless you find something that may determine her innocence. I was thinking maybe Cocoa Bean Mulch which is deadly to dogs. Have you laid any of that lately?

mayers 05-15-2008 07:50 PM

OK everybody calmmm downnn. Myyorkies is back in the loop, I think that may have been causing a lot of the angst in this thread. Don't throw a whopper then bail out, the questions keep building until people are throwing stones. I know you were upset and needed consoling and answers. However this really upsets anyone who loves animals.

1st she's not too old but she is getting there so it would be good to retire her. Obviously Lolley is a very devoted mom. I work with wild animals (primates) and I know that a female, especially a dominant female, will not hesitate to defend her babies to the death. Can't say that about Lolley because there is no direct evidence that she did it.

2nd, keep new moms, especially dominant moms, segregated with their pups until they are at least two weeks old. Why ask for trouble? It's good for mom and baby bonding. Even then only allow trusted females with them. Lolley will probably (hopefully) be a very good aunt to the other pups. I do not think it is a good idea to let the males with the pups. They don't offer anything useful, they get annoyed with the pups which pisses mom and aunts off. No offense but the guys are only good for making babies they do nothing when it comes to raising babies. I am totally serious about this but I am trying to make light. There is no big happy family when it comes to animals. Keep the males around to show perspective buyers but keep them away from mom until the kids are weaned.

Your original post was quite atrocious and it wasn't until you came back and explained that it was your assumption that Lolley killed them. Not many people follow my advice because I work with monkeys but they could cure most of the worlds ills if people would only listened.

Good luck, I hope Lolley makes a fine aunt.

Melissa and Rambeau (I never met a monkey didn't like, then again, I never met a monkey :D)

Belamia 05-15-2008 09:02 PM

Wow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
I never knew a yorkie could kill another dog , I am still in doubt myself.... I can not understand why the person that started did thinks her lollie killed the other 2 that died suddenlly... wouldn't she hear them fighting at least? To kill a dog is not easy, would it be a battle????? i think she is looking at the wrong "killer" poison would be my first guess, but anyways: DID YOU GET A OUTOPSY done??????? it could tell you something.... i hear about a dog that died suddenlly of some intestinal complication i can not spell but something like this"intussusception" or closed to that, suden and silent... i do not know the person who lost the dog, but from who i heard i can assure it happened and it was a young yorkie healthy apparently.... I think more investigating could have being done.... anyways i really want to find out: Anyone else ever saw or know of a "killer yorkie" I want to know.

crystalsmom 05-16-2008 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1990728)
sorry for misreading!

That's ok sweetie, this thread has been so confusing:confused:

nydia 05-16-2008 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Epsilon (Post 1985247)
I was one of the first ones to read this post, but didn't reply in fear of being insensitive and mean. But I can't help myself, I need to say it.

Now that it is a yorkie that is doing the killing, it seems as though no one (besides maybe 3) have mentioned having this yorkie pts. I believe that any dog that kills other dogs needs to be pts regardless of breed or size. An aggressive dog will always be aggressive. It is terribly sad and depressing, but I believe it is the right thing to do.

I don't agree with this post, I'm a big fan of the Dog Whisperer and I'm not sure how many of you watch that show but there have been some extremely aggressive dogs on that show big and small that he has completely rehabilitated. I don't agree with putting an animal to sleep if you haven't tried everything else first, rule out a health issue by taking her to the vet, try a behavior specialist, try and rehome her, if none of those things work then put her to sleep, but putting a dog to sleep should always be the last option. Some dogs can be rehabilitated even if they killed three other dogs.

bonmur 05-16-2008 06:07 AM

I have a female that is a little bigger and older than Ritz and Shellie. She has become a big bully and I absolutely have to keep her seperated at all times from my small dogs. I am almost positive she picked and killed my tiny shih tzu female when I was away having my baby. She attacked and would have killed my ritzy had I not caught her and she would kill every chicken I owned if I let her run with them.
I have noticed that the majority of her attacks come when she was in heat in her younger years. I have since gotten her spayed but, it hasnt helped. I jsut cannot trust her . I would hate to re-home her not because I am selfish but I dont want her to hurt anyone or anything in her new home. We have learned how to deal with her and although it is not hte perfect situation I think it is the best solution we can come up with. SHe loves to be with my daughters Older male Shih Tzu so that is who she is with when the other dogs ar getting their attention

crystalsmom 05-16-2008 06:11 AM

I think the problem here is we were told one thing and now that there is negative response we are told another. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all could call in a dog trainer and do you think it will happen here?

In lots of cases like this (not saying this person would or would not) but since being honest can't get them a re-home, they sell the dog and never tell the new owner what has happened to the dogs in their home. I sure hope that doesn't happen here. I think she said she is keeping the female :confused:

I'm out of here and going on a 12 step program to keep me out of this thread:)

sheilajom 05-16-2008 06:22 AM

It seems to me after having read all the posts by her that she has a lot of dogs 14 I think she said, and was keeping this one to breed with. She is having pups at 8 yo! I'm no breeder, but that seems too old to me. I bet after she gets the dog spayed after this last litter she will rehome her, because it seems to me she only kept her for breeding in the first place, otherwise why would she put her health above the health of the other dogs? I hope no one buys those pups from her. She doesn't need to stay in business. If she is not more responsible than this with the adults, I don't trust her with the pups!


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