Are the Alpha females aggresive to the males too or just to other females ?

i would have done a necropsy to rule out all so i would have a direct answer as to the cause of death

this is to sheilajom~for your information 8 yrs old is the cut off for breeding and this was her last litter even if this didn't happen. yes your right your not a breeder....i have healthy beautiful babies and i don't get rid of my pets afer they have been spayed or retired....thats not me...i keep my babies till the end and love everyone of them...some people rehome them when they are done breeding...Not me!!!!!!! these are my fur children not money makes....i love placing puppies in excellent homes....and not make a dime!!!! i dont charge the exsessive amounts to people either. you know nothing...but i can guarentee i take better care of all of mine than you are thinking!!!!! yes 14....3 are babies. not a kennel!!!!!! i have never had a problem like this till now and i am taking care of it. i was an emotional wreck when i made my first post and sorry some of you feel that i'm at fault!!!!!!!

Yes you should! it could be your last chance at keeping her around other dogs.

whoa lol im with crystalsmom and im through with this thread!!!

I think this is a *very* sensitive situation - as well as sad, tragic, devastating. Can we all try to regroup? To the OP, I'm sorry for your loss - I really cannot imagine what you're going through. At this point, assuming calm can prevail - and that you do want some help/advice - where are you now at with all of this? Not knowing where you might need help, oustide a professional dog trainer (which would be great) - I'm not sure what to offer.

I hope this thread can stay open. If not, so be it. :)

this could be a problem for any multiple dog owners.. the issues of aggression.. i think it is very important issue for all breeders..
14 dogs is a lot to handle.. i personally could not have that many unless i stayed home ALL the time.. and it is a big responsibility .. so sorry for
you and your pack.. it might be hard to let go of one dog for the protection of the rest.. i personally would be able to choose to put a dog down if i have one with this problem.. but other people cannot do this i guess...:animal-pa

I'm sorry for the OP's loss but am glad to see the issue of aggression brought up. It's something many can't fathom with our little furbutts but it can and does happen. I can imagine the OP's situation as I have 12 Yorkies myself. Yes, I do breed some of them, not all, but I can't bring myself to re-home mine just because they're not part of my breeding program. I love them all and don't see them as commodities to be bought, sold and traded. Yes, when you have a pack you must be home with them unless you contain them. All ours live in our home. We have 4 bedrooms with only me and my wife here so we have room to segregate them when necessary but usually there is someone here 24/7 and they all have run of the house. If I were in the same situation as the OP, I would reluctantly try to re-home the aggressor for her own good. I couldn't stand to have to keep her separated from the others but that's just me. Maybe there's another solution but I don't see it. It doesn't take many dogs to have this problem; it can happen with only 2. Anyone with multiple dogs that hasn't had this problem should thank their lucky stars and know that 'but for the grace of God go I'. Best of luck to the OP as she goes through this most difficult time. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa

i would agree with the OP as she stated. she will continue to separate the aggressive one from the pack. rehoming her is the best option for all of them. rehome to a single dog home. your pet will be happier to get more attention.. it would be better than keeping her. you would be giving her a better life.. better to cry for missing her than losing any more pets to her frustration and agression..keeping her separated always..:)would be too hard

I agree with several of your statements - 1) something should have been done before now because 2) this dog has a serious problem & 3) I have read so many posts concerning big dogs killing a yorkie or another small breed dog & the majority response is "put the dog down" - noone likes to be on the receiving end of a double standard so why is it ok to have double standard for dogs...off the big dogs, retrain the small ones?????

I agree. That man on that show is AMAZING. It makes me believe that there IS hope for any dogs to get along together. Putting a dog to sleep should always be a last restort thing. I totally agree with you - some dogs can be rehabilitated&I have full faith that her dog can be too. It's going to take a lot of time&patience, but I believe it CAN be done. Contacting The Dog Whisperer might be a good idea ... I'm sure he's hella busy, but hey, you don't know unless you try, right?

I agree with txgurl. Where some dogs can be just aggressive, I truly believe that their is an obvious problem in this home that is causing this dog to act this way. I have five and once in a while two of my girls will argue. Just these two, but I watch them like hawks, I know the sign and I will immediately intervene and stop it before it starts. And, because I've intervened as I have it for the most part has stopped.
Elaine

Maybe, you should think about having them all fixed and stop breeding. It's not uncommon for unaltered dogs to fight. If you're intentions as you say are to keep her because you love her and all your fur babies and not because you breed, then please consider having them fixed. If not to try and stop the fighting but also why breed a female that has this type of temperment problem?

Misinformation keeps getting passed down. The OP stated there were only two dogs possibly killed....no evidence......no marks on them. One of the dogs she lost was due to cancer. I feel that this breeder was just reaching out for emotional support and many of you keep trying to tear her apart. She has already stated that she has the problem female separated. Lets all just pray that she has no more problems.

I'm just stumbling on this and honestly haven't had time to read all the posts. I hope you got some good advice. My :02.

First of all, thank you for having the courage to bring this topic up. It's something any one of us could be faced with. My Eddie, in fact, has attacked other dogs viciously before, and I've addressed it, but it could have been me making the same post your are.

My advice would be to consult a licensed behaviorist as soon as possible. They are terribly expensive, because they are doctors, but your case is definitely about abnormal behavior. Even if you separate the dog, it is likely to happen again. If money's an issue, I'll donate and help take up a collection to help you out. But I see that as your best option.

I suppose an excellent private trainer might help if the cost is prohibitive, and you might want to start there. But I think a good behaviorist is your best bet.

Good luck, and please keep in touch. If there have been hurtful responses here keeping you from posting again, PM me. I'm very interested.

Well, I was just about to close this thread for the *second* time today - and then Mike came along to add some calming advice to the thread.

Thanks, Mike, for such an informative and supportive post. :) I think this is probably the kind of advice the poster will read and follow - and the kind she was looking for.

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To the OP---Bless your heart!!!:(I am so sorry for so many things. Not only have you had to suffer the losses of your babies, but then you have to suffer the slings and arrows of those to whom you have reached out for help, comfort, and advice. In the meantime you are still dealing with the aggression in your home.:cry8:

To all the other posters: Let us all try to be more supportive and open-minded to others' differences.:love-hug3:

There is enough negativity in the world without us turning on each other.twocents:

:bravo: I agree!

I just saw this thread. Mike it is a great suggestion! :thumbup:

To OP I am so sorry for your loss. I cant even imagine how you feel :( I would definitely suggest what alaskayorkie suggested. Keep your dogs seperated all the time but meanwhile you really need to see behaviorist and trainers otherwise just by keeping them seperated it wont fix the aggression. I hope everything works out.

Belamia...it is sad to say, but Yorkies really can kill one another..I had a breeder friend lose two adults to fights..then another bitch got in a pen of puppies and killed all 3..
Isabel Dare of Merrimac gave me a lovely Champion bitch who fought with several of her females, but was a angel for me..never so much as growled as long as I had her...go figure that one out???

Years ago I was reading an interview with Joanne Woodard and Paul Newman, they had just lost a Yorkie in a fight with another Yorkie pet of theirs...that was the first time I realized it myself.

I never had fighting males, just a few difficult girls..only had one female who fought with males.

Even though I'm back it has nothing to do with the thread but the fact that Yorkie Rose is one of the very best breeders I have ever known and not only that but a wonderful person. Pat all of us that know you well here know anything you do in your breeding program would have the best interest of your dogs in mind.

Tricia first of I want to give you a big hug..I know this has been devistating for you hun..

Tricia is a VERY caring and loving person. She loves her dogs as much as any of us do and her dogs are her family..her children..she is a good friend to me and many others and she is not irresponsible. I know how completely and utterly sick she was when this happened to booboo and not knowing for sure how it happened. When I got the email about Kermie I could feel her pain and anguish..I am POSITIVE she will look into any reasons why this has happened and will keep Lollie away from the others from now on. I love ya Tricia and I am so sorry for your loss.

Dawn

Tricia, Bless you for wanting to keep your dogs together and with you! You have done nothing wrong. This is a sad situation and I really feel for you. You have lost some of your babies and you must be heart broken.

When I first started reading this and they were talking about one jumping on another and then the whole pack going for the kill, I really thought they were talking about the YT PACK going for the kill. How sad the way you have been bashed and just because a few words were read and people assumed this and assumed that. This same thing is being done all too often on YT and the net.
I hope you can work this out for you and your Yorkie.

I think the very first post she did, made it sound very bad....even though now she is saying she really doesn't know what happened - if you re-read the 1st post you can see why people were upset. ANYONE can have a tragedy - but a 2nd is not good :(and a 3rd is worse.....

I really don't know what's going on ....but just to clarify - it 'sounded' like her female had killed 3 yorkies in a short period of time - I think why people posted the way they did.

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I would like to thank all the kind people who know me and how much i love my babies....i am taking every precaution now to asure the safty of my fur family....lollie is seperate..but not alone...she has her daughter and her babies and still plays with all the doggies just not un supervised. like i had said i'm not sure it was her..but i'm assuming it was and don't want it to happen ever again. i am home 24/7 and have been for years...so they get my full attention....and always will. they were potting and i answered the door...like anyone else would have.thank you dawn...luv ya too!!! i would like to thank the person who offered to help me financially for a trainer...but money is not an issue here...have lots of it and my doggies and family gets only the best...but thanks for offering.

To the original poster: I am sorry - I had not gotten to the page with your response when I posted yesterday (I was at work and kept getting interrupted...). I am sure it is hard to read a lot of what was written. Your first post made it sound like you knew Lollie killed some of your other babies. Several of us jumped to conclusions, several of us probably got caught up in the debate of opinions going back and forth and lost site of the real issue...the fact that you lost a baby. I know, for a fact, that I got side tracked by the part of the post debating the double standard for putting down large dogs versus small ones. Had I waited to post until I had a chance to read everything I would have seen that with your first post you had actually jumped to the same (probably) wrong conclusion many here did. It sounds to me like in your sorrow you may have falsely accused Lollie of 2 unrelated tragic occurrences. The fact that you have chosen to keep her away from your others, just in case, for everyones safety shows that you love each and everyone. Several people will still say that you should re-home but if you are able to spend alone time with her each day she is probably going to be just as happy, if not more so, because she doesn't have to share you with any of the others when you 2 are together. I hope that after the dust settles and everyone calms down, you are able to forgive people of some of the hurtful things that were said. I wish you and the rest of your little ones the best and hope that Lollie enjoys her retirement.

I'm sure no one meant any harm, and I know there are some very compassionate Yorkie Lovers here, but sometimes I wish they would be so compassionate towards other (HUMAN) Yorkie Lovers.
It seems sometimes they think "Oh lets save the Yorkie but the heck with the feelings of the human!" There has to be a happy medium.

Mike that is so very sweet of you. Your a Wonderful man. Your Wife is so lucky to have you!. I to think that she can be helped and with Love and help of a behaviorist she can get along. I will also help out with what I can.

((((HUGS)))) Hun I will be here to support you period. I know you love all your dogs and will do everything you can to help them get along.

I was the first person to post a reply on this thread and have now read the whole thing. Was it obvious to anyone but me that there was not enough information in that first post to have the whole story? So many times a thread is started in the heat - or hurt - of emotion. The post isn't well planned and thought out to include every important detail. I knew that enough information wasn't offered and I have only a little experience with aggressive dogs (I lost a dog to a pack of wild dogs once), so I knew that I wasn't qualified to answer - only pave the way for "experts".

The threads that are the best are the ones where posters (hopefully the "experts") #2, 3, 4, and 5 come on and instead of answering the thread ask for more clarifying information in order to put together the whole story.

This thread was not a loss tho. We have all gathered a lot more information regarding aggression and the ways that we all either have or choose to deal with it and the options available. And the OP came back to clarify a lot of things so that her complete story was shared.

My heart goes out to you. :)