Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1987541)

Exactly!! When people say it's not the dog that is the problem, it's the owner I don't see that taking care of the problem. The dog bites and kills not the owner. Of course the owner should be fined and take responsibility for not caring and doing what they should but the dog kills so would any responsible person pass their problem on to another??

Training should have come long before all this happened.

Megan, you are certainly thinking along the same lines I have been since I have been reading through all this. Do we have two standards here? If a lg. dog bites and kills put the dog down. If a yorkie bites and kills do anything but put the dog down???? I don't get it. Do we need a 17 yr. old to straighten out our thinking.

We don't have the OP to answer questions here so it is very hard, we can only go on what was written and what other found in past threads.

Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 1987719)

OK, In response to the question asked of me (and this will be harsh) - NO I do not - in ANY way - think the owner has done everything possible. I think the first time this happened something should have been done with this dog. Or the second time.

I'm not going to sugar coat anymore - this dog is aggressive - it is a killer. If this were a pit bull everyone on here knows that the VAST MAJORITY of YTers would be saying to put this dog to sleep. Why is it a different situation because its a yorkie?

This dog is NOT safe. There shouldn't be another chance for her to kill or seriously injure another dog or child.

I'm one of the last people in the world who gets on the "put the dog to sleep" train, but for me, this is a very different case. This isn't a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This dog has a serious problem.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone here or whatever. But I, as a dog lover, would rather see one dog pts peacefully than God knows how many others killed tragically by her.

Originally Posted by izzierj (Post 1987735)

I know people are telling you to re home her, but wouldn't it make more sense to keep her and rehome the others? Afterall, you know her temperment and personality and can probably control her if she's alone...Can the "new owners "guarantee that? I wouldn't want to take the chance of the 'new owners" putting up with a dog with issues and find out they put her to sleep...! I'm sure you still love her, it could be an imbalance of hormones or something...Hope you find your answer...:animal-pa

Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1987886)

i think one or the other is fine! but apparently this owner insists on having multiple dogs no matter if this dog has these problems or not.

Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1987881)

It killed 3 times because it was never helped the first time!!! It was put in the same situation over and over!!! look at what your writing!!!!!!! omg! How can it be the dogs fault when it wasnt corrected??? Dogs do things they arent suppose to and its up to us as an owner to correct that right??? If we dont then they will keep doing it!! same as this situation! it has nothing to do with big or small it has to do with the owner not even helping this dog!!!! so megan do you think if the dog was corrected after the first kill that there was any possible chance he might not have done it again?

Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 1987945)

I'm wondering if you've read any of my other posts on dog fights? I KNOW that it wasn't the dog's fault. I KNOW that the dog has been put in the situation so many times so it had the chance. MAYBE if it was corrected then it wouldn't happen again. My point is, I don't think its worth the risk. I don't think its worth risking the welfare of any small child or dog that may wander into this dog's path. There is something MENTALLY wrong with a dog that will fight to the death 3 times. Whether its from not being trained properly or some other reason, there is something wrong with this dog and no one knows if it will attack again.

here's my question for you. If you were out walking your dog, and this dog happened to walk past you (on a leash) and attacked your dog and killed it, would you still think it deserved another chance? Or would you think its not worth the risk for anyone else to lose their dog?

Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 1987962)

I agree that we should agree to disagree.

But first I have to say one thing: I'm with you that its the owner's fault. I think what we're not exactly seeing eye-to-eye on is when to help and when to say that its not worth the risk.

But I'll stop now. Cause it seems that neither of us is budging. :p I hope you don't think I've been ridiculous or immature about this, because I've been thinking very hard about my responses. As I'm sure you have.

No hard feelings. :)

Originally Posted by Onni (Post 1984443)

My heart goes out to you. Losing a family pet is always heartbreaking. {{{{Hugs}}}}

I can tell you from experience that terriers in general have the ability to be very agressive. We had a female Jack Russell and a female Mini Snauzer; both terriers and they got along great until one day for no apparent reason they changed and began to fight terribly, we knew it was only a matter of time before one of them died, so we re-homed our Mini Snauzer. Our female JRT was fine after that.

I would recomend either making Lolly the only dog or consider re-homing her. I would not have her put down, she is a terrier and doing what terriers do naturaly, being territorial. I would not however give her another opportunity to be territorial with another dog or child.

My prayers are with you and I hope that you are able to find a solution that
is good for your family and Lolly.

Originally Posted by mayers (Post 1987982)

No offense but terriers get here name from Terra or going to ground (finding vermin). All dogs are territorial, they get that from their ancestors (wolves) they live in family packs with a dominant male and female. Killing is uncommon except when unfamiliar animals try to join the pack and/or mate with the dominants. There is a lot of injury and quarrels but death is a rare event amongst family members. We force these strange animals into a pack situation and it is up to us to take on the dominant role and teach the rest
how to behave. If the dominant does not have the time or the want to do this then a pack should not be undertaken.

Melissa (Rambeau, Bull and Bugzy - we know who the boss is)

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer (Post 1987476)

Originally Posted by ranedrops (Post 1987538)

We know of someone who had 2 male labs (1 older, 1 younger) and an older 90% blind female lab. He then took in a female dobie pup. As the dobie matured she started to attack the older female lab. It was quite vicious at times. The dobie caused the female lab to get at least 60 stitches after one attack. Then the younger make lab started to join in on the attacks. The attacks would happen when they were let into the yard but not in the house. His vet said it could be in her genetics. Also that the dobie was taking advantage of a weaker dog and would eventually kill her if the fights were not broken up in time. The younger lab was just joining in as pack animals do.

He finally started to seperate the older female lab from the younger two but was having a hard time. The attacks happened no matter who walked the dogs. The owner also got bit several times by the dobie (drawing blood, enough for stitches) trying to break up the fights.

The sad ending is that the owner put the older female lab to sleep. He rationalized it as that she was older and 90% blind.

I would not have made the same decision. Re-homing the dobie would have been my first priority.

This is such a sad situation. I think alot of people are giving great advice here. Re-homing may be a good idea if she is a cadidate. I hope the best for you and the rest of your babies and that everything works out for you.

Originally Posted by Misti1 (Post 1988312)

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1988318)

Hopefully she IS reading this.
It's obvious everyone feels very bad hearing about 3 yorkies killed - but in all honesty... it's the HUMAN who is responsible and in charge. She should have taken steps that it didn't happen again after the 1st dog was killed - which means making a hard decision -

to think this is a breeder and a groomer is kind of scary - I have to wonder if she still has this dog because she is breeding her ??? I may be way off base & maybe she isn't breeding this dog ....but I really think the original poster needs to re-think her priorities

and to the person who posted this - I really hope you do the right thing by your dogs. ALL of them.... and good luck.

ps - I think everyone has been as honest as they can be without attacking her in their responses. I've seen some other 'dog' boards and they'd have been VICIOUS if this was posted there.

Originally Posted by Misti1 (Post 1988333)

Originally Posted by Txgurl06 (Post 1987870)

no we dont need a 17 yr old to straighten this out because A lot of us dont agree with the PTS part. I think if a big dog bit a small dog or even killed he should be given the same chances as the small dog. I dont see how yall can sit here and take away from the owners responsibilities as an owner im sorry!!!!

Also i think yorkierose (sorry if i messed up the name) stated that if a dog relapses then it wont change but guess what this dog was never given that chance to not relapse!!! It was never helped or even tried to be helped, the owner kept putting this dog in the same situation over and over again without getting it help. do you see where im coming from with this???? This dog was never given the help or even the chance to change , the owner kept bringing one new dog in after another each time they were killed.


so how is this not the owners fault??? how??? are yall not seeing something??

the same actions should be taken for a big dog. I know how much i love my babies and if one of them killed another (out of my babies) then of course i would be furious and sad but i would see this dog needed help and seeing how much i love the dog and knowing that the first mistake was made and i couldnt bring the other baby back i would be sure to help the dog that did it.


im sorry maybe i should quit posting because this is becoming a heated subject for me!

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer (Post 1988128)

Originally Posted by CSRE (Post 1989575)

I have mixed feelings on this, but i don’t see the point on opening a thread and not coming back :(

Originally Posted by Key2Yorkies (Post 1989377)