Pledge to help stop puppy mills

[Woogie Man]

You can also get ripped off and lied to locally, not just from the internet. You have to be informed no matter where you buy from. The fact that people are already interpreting the pledge differently goes to show that it's unclear what it really means. I'm not putting my name on anything that depends on me assuming the best about someone's intentions.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Right, you might say you had references, so you were not really buying from just the website. When they are asking people to pledge not to buy from a website, they are informing the public that this is not a good way to select a breeder. Anyone can put up cute little puppy pictures.

I totally understand that, I do, it just seems hypocritical or like I am lying to sign that particular petition. I just can't bring myself to do it.

[Nancy1999]

The only way we will ever stop puppymills is for people to stop buying from places that sell puppymill puppies. You can close down puppymill after puppymill, that will not help, a new one will open. We have to stop buying their product.

[PrestigeousYT]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes, but you didn't just buy from the website did you? You actually saw the dogs and checked out the breeder first, right? I don't think it means just because they have a website you can't buy from them, but don't buy from a website. We can't stop the puppymills until buyers start buying from ethical breeders.

No actually I didn't get to go see the dog in person.
I did do my research and looked up info on the breeder and her showing etc.
I totally agree, I think the biggest key is educate the public. Do not scare them to think that there are no wonderful purebred dog breeders, that the only choice we have is rescue dogs. You can find wonderful breeders of purebred dogs. I would love it if all rescue dogs found the home that worked for them. You know alot of rescue dogs never get the chance because some of the rescue groups won't give them the chance out of fear it won't be the right home and instead the dog gets put down. This really happens
There is a lot of change that needs done to protect the dogs.

I agree if you have the chance to go visit the pups that is the best thing to do. But I also realize it is not always possible so you can research the breeder and you can find a good breeder thru the net wether it be thru the breed clubs referral list etc.
This is my boy I got of course he was younger when I got him. He is 10 months now. I had worse luck when I found a breeder thru Dog Fancy when I was first showing so the key again is to know what to look for when buying a dog wether you get to see it in person or not and back then I really didn't know what was a red flag.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT

No actually I didn't get to go see the dog in person.
I did do my research and looked up info on the breeder and her showing etc.
I totally agree, I think the biggest key is educate the public. Do not scare them to think that there are no wonderful purebred dog breeders, that the only choice we have is rescue dogs. You can find wonderful breeders of purebred dogs. I would love it if all rescue dogs found the home that worked for them. You know alot of rescue dogs never get the chance because some of the rescue groups won't give them the chance out of fear it won't be the right home and instead the dog gets put down. This really happens
There is a lot of change that needs done to protect the dogs.

I agree if you have the chance to go visit the pups that is the best thing to do. But I also realize it is not always possible so you can research the breeder and you can find a good breeder thru the net wether it be thru the breed clubs referral list etc.
This is my boy I got of course he was younger when I got him. He is 10 months now. I had worse luck when I found a breeder thru Dog Fancy when I was first showing so the key again is to know what to look for when buying a dog wether you get to see it in person or not and back then I really didn't know what was a red flag.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

My point is how are we going to stop puppymills if we don't stop their marketing. No one knocks on the puppymill door and asks to buy a puppy. It seems it order to get anything ever done; it's the "fanatics" of some cause that spearhead it. Most of us just sit around and say, "ain't it awful?" While some people do believe that pets should only be obtained through rescues, this will never stop people from quality breeding programs because they aren't in it for the money anyway. Education is the key I believe, and Thank God for wonderful breeders like you who continue educate yourself and others.

[Mom to Hot Rod]

Let's keep in mind that all legislation usually goes thru multiple drafts before being adopted. I wholeheartedly support closing down puppymills but at the same time I have looked on the web for breeders and I even searched "YCTA" on the web. I definitely see that the wording on this petition needs to be reworked. If you read further down, you will be giving up your right to buy anything from anystore that sells animals. Petsmart, Petco, Petland, etc., albeit maybe that is the way to go. How many of us frequent those stores for other things? I know that I do.

I would support a pledge to close down puppymills but let's make sure that we don't make more of a mess in the long run.

[cariblonde]

I signed! thanks for posting

[Derbie]

I believe this petition is of the utmost importance.

Reputable breeders should not be concerned, as their reputations
far exceed that of a website.

Homework needs to be done, and should be encouraged by breeders.

The daily suffering in these mills needs to stop. My priorities lie with
the tens of thousands, not with breeders worried about selling their
few litters a year.

As I've stated, if they are reputable, they shouldn't be concerned
in the least. And, in fact supportative, as this will bring awareness
to proper breeding practices.

Also, what reputable rescue organization would put a dog down,
out of fear they can't find the right home? I deal with many rescue
groups. The dogs stay with a foster until adopted, not put down.

JMHO

[cataholic]

I have been to a puppy mill recently in my job. Their website is really nice. It shows pictures of the dogs in a home with children. But that is not reality. The dogs are in small pens like rabbit cages. They are not very socialized, just used for bredding. This particular breeder has her dogs artificially inseminated if they won't mate. I hope people don't just see a great website with cute pictures and assume the breeder does not have a puppy mill. I think you should see where the dog has lived and it's parents before you buy it. Pet stores lie about where they get their puppies too. They say they were raised in homes with families, not puppy mills. Who believes that??

[Sherryabear]

Thanks for the site, I signed....

[ARCHIE]

Me too.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Mom to Hot Rod

Let's keep in mind that all legislation usually goes thru multiple drafts before being adopted. I wholeheartedly support closing down puppymills but at the same time I have looked on the web for breeders and I even searched "YCTA" on the web. I definitely see that the wording on this petition needs to be reworked. If you read further down, you will be giving up your right to buy anything from anystore that sells animals. Petsmart, Petco, Petland, etc., albeit maybe that is the way to go. How many of us frequent those stores for other things? I know that I do.

I would support a pledge to close down puppymills but let's make sure that we don't make more of a mess in the long run.

When great changes are needed great sacrifices are needed, is it too great of sacrifice to ask us to stop supporting pet supply stores that sell pets? We each have to ask ourselves that question. I did think Petsmart had stopped this practice, but maybe not nationally, does anyone know for sure? I was planning on go there today.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Many websites are just dog brokers who buy their dogs from puppymills. A pet buyer should always check out the breeder in person and visa versa.

Great thread thanks for posting.

[Derbie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

When great changes are needed great sacrifices are needed, is it too great of sacrifice to ask us to stop supporting pet supply stores that sell pets? We each have to ask ourselves that question. I did think Petsmart had stopped this practice, but maybe not nationally, does anyone know for sure? I was planning on go there today.

Nancy ~ In my area, Petsmart and Petco sell birds, guinie (sp) pigs,
and hamsters.

I will not support any store which sells live animals. I was involved with Parrot Rescue for a short time, and wow, are these poor things hard to
place. And there were sooo many surrendered. Not much public support either.

I buy from a local feed store. They have a huge variety, with better prices.

[ryorkies]

Originally Posted by Mom to Hot Rod

I definitely see that the wording on this petition needs to be reworked. If you read further down, you will be giving up your right to buy anything from anystore that sells animals. Petsmart, Petco, Petland, etc., albeit maybe that is the way to go. How many of us frequent those stores for other things? I know that I do.

I would support a pledge to close down puppymills but let's make sure that we don't make more of a mess in the long run.

I have no problem with that and it seems a small price to pay for a bigger solution. As it is ... I do not shop Petco, Petland, etc because of this practice, but I do understand the need to pay attention to the wording of the documents we sign, because in our haste to want an immediatel change we could be overlooking some pertinent clauses by doing so.