Chocolate yorkie

[scismiami]

I am purchasing a chocolate yorkie. The breeder calls it "exotic". We saw them and they are absolutely beautiful but are they healthy? Are they the real thing?

[orinskye]

they are real yorkies, but they have a genetic defect which effects their coloring and makes them this chocolate color...... i read quite a bit about them in a few articles and they said they are NOT exotic animals and breeders should NOT be charging an arm and a leg for these animals and claiming that they are.... the article said these pups do not live as long as normal yorkies, i dont know if they are prone to more health problems that makes them die sooner but i think the article said they probably wouldnt live past 8 or nine years (10 at the utmost)

[orinskye]

sorry, just out of curiosity......... what are you paying for him?

[scismiami]

I am paying $950. The breeder says she sold some for as much as $2,500.

[orinskye]

i dunno about paying that much for a dog with a genetic defect............................................ . what does everyone else think..... i agree that they are beutiful interesting looking dogs, but i had trouble paying $500 for a STANDARD yorkie, i just couldnt see paying $950 for one that is not even up to standard............also, if the breeder is selling it as exotic, that is kind of fishy too, because there is really nothing exotic about it (and if the breeder was a good one they probably wouldnt have ended up with that color of yorkie in the first place) and from what it sounds like the breeder is actually breeding to PRODUCE dogs with this defect........ i would beware of what this breeder is telling you because, well, i dont want to say they are lieing to you..... but they kind of are......... I would probably keep looking if i were you..... are there any other breeders in teh area? you could get a normal colored yorkie for cheaper if you looked enough, ...... or did you specifically want the chocolat" coloring?

[orinskye]

here...... this is one of the sites that i read info on this kind of yorkie............. this is all the info they have on the coloring........:

The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.

Recently I received a call from someone asking about the blue born puppies. That was a real blast from the past. Hadn’t heard of anyone having blue born puppies in some years. When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring.

Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life.

The red or chocolate born are affected by the bb genes. The red or chocolate born, referred to as liver in some breeds will also have self colored pigment, such as red, chocolate or liver nose. The Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the dominant BB genes. I have not heard of health problems with the red/chocolate born puppies, like with the blue born puppies. Yet most of these situations occur with backyard breeders and puppy mills and they are not likely to share the history of problems with the show breeders. Once again this is a recessive being passed on to the puppies from the parents. This breeding should definitely not be repeated.

Blue born puppies and red/chocolate born puppies are not acceptable colors of the Yorkshire Terrier. The Yorkshire Terrier should only be born Black/Tan and later turn to a dark steel blue. The blue born puppies & red/chocolate born puppies are recessive colors being passed to the progeny and a repeat breeding should never occur. Puppies of these colors should not be sold as “rare colors”. Yes hopefully it is very rare to get them, but these are totally unacceptable colors and it’s not so much that they are rare, as that they are not true representatives of the breed. Do not be misled by unscrupulous breeders about these dogs. Makes one wonder if there is more in the background of these dogs then just Yorkshire Terriers. There is a backyard breeder in my area that has produced red born puppies & solid black born puppies in one litter. I have to assume that she does not really have a purebred Yorkie to have this happen. Another backyard breeder South of me sells her solid black ones as rare teddy bear Yorkies. One new owner was sent to me by her Vet because he told her the dog was definitely part black Poodle. When I saw the dog, there was no question that it was atleast half Poodle. Actually it looked nothing like a Yorkshire Terrier but entirely like a Poodle. She had all intentions of breeding this dog itself & had enough sense not to give me the AKC registration number for me to report it.

As concerned breeders we would only want to breed dogs that are producing the only acceptable color of the Yorkshire Terrier which is a Black/Tan puppy that as an adult dog will be blue and gold. As an owner or potential owner of the Yorkshire Terrier you should only want the blue and gold, because that is the Yorkshire Terrier. Any other color really makes it something other than a Yorkshire Terrier. As a breeder, you should not knowingly breed a dog that is producing such a known defect. The breed could shortly become other than what it is. For instance, the tri color Yorkies that are produced in some of Europe. This is not what a Yorkie should be. If you want a tri color dog then get a breed that should produce tri colors.

The standard layed down by the YTCA is very specific about the Yorkshire Terrier. It states the puppy should be born Black/Tan and change color to a Blue/Tan dog later in life. No where is it written that the dog should be born any other color than Black/Tan. Standards are written to protect our breeds. The blue born is a perfect example of why. The health problems associated with this color make it critical that we stick to the color the breed is suspose to be, which means being born Black/Tan and later changing to a Blue/Tan dog.

[orinskye]

and here is another article:'

CHOCOLATE YORKIE

The "chocolate yorkie" is an overload of red gold and is a mutation therefore of our breed and should not be bred as it is a complete loss of pigment. Notice that the nose is liver colored and that there are no black eye rims on this puppy.

The understanding that AKC has many colors on their list that will allow almost any color Yorkie to be registered and the parent Club is working to disallow that. I have been approached by people who have registered this color, even though it is incorrect for our breed. There is no reason that they cannot be placed in a loving pet home and live a good life, but they are definitely a mutation to our breed and not in line with the Standard we want to withhold.

Those that advertise this color as RARE are being dishonest in that they are just trying to enrich themselves with more money, in spite of the lack of pigment in the dogs they produce which could bring a genetic nightmare to the breed.
Don't be taken in by this false advertising.

and i found a pic for those who are interested in seeing what they look like............

[YorkieRose]

Orinsky...those are such good posts..people sure do get ripped off paying insane prices for "off" color Yorkies. I have no room to talk since I have a Biewer! LOL

[Prissy012899]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Orinsky...those are such good posts..people sure do get ripped off paying insane prices for "off" color Yorkies. I have no room to talk since I have a Biewer! LOL

I think the Biewers are gorgeous and I understand that they are trying to make the Biewer their own breed and not call them yorkies... Am I correct on this? Also I've noticed that Biewers have large ears... Is there a reason for this..
As far as the chocolate yorkie goes... the breeder should sell that pup with a spay neuter contract and stop breeding the one that's throwing that defect.
JMHO

[orinskye]

thanks........... BUT........ i happen to love the biewer coloring , like i said i am a fan for stuff that is colored in a way that it shouldnt be........ i even kinda like the chocolate yorkies as well...... what i dont like is breeders ripping people off, like you mentioned....... its unfortunate that it happens a lot ...... i dont want to be mean or anything but i really hope scimiami doesnt get that chocolate yorkie, not because there is anything particularly 'wrong' with him (except his coloring) its just that the yorkie is being advertised as "exotic" which is not true...... a good breeder wouldnt fib like that, come to think of it a good breeder wouldnt want that color anyways
Im sure there are plenty of breeders here that would back me up and tell her not to get it (if anything the yorkie shoudl be on a 'discount')

[YorkieRose]

I am not the expert. My Biewer is registered, in Germany. I can show her in Biewer shows if I choose, but not AKC of course. I have a friend with an AKC registered (papers in hand stating he is a parti-color) but you can not show an AKC parti color at all.
As to ears..it depends. I have seen many with tiny ears, but like standard color Yorkies, some have larger and smaller ears..depends on the line.
A "born blue" is a color you want to stay away from..or hairless..they have health problems. Just because something is rare, doesn't make it desirable in my eyes..I do find the Biewer desirable and was willing to pay..but it is much cheaper to go directly to the Germans then fool with USA breeders who ask the moon...and most are poorly marked...JMO.

[orinskye]

i thank god toby's ears are floppy, because they stand up once in a while and he looks absolutly RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!! they are BIG EARS!!!, kinda makes me laugh though..... also my friends yorkie had very large ears and he sorta grew into them...... i think yorkierose is right abotu the ears, it varies....... i have seen the biewers that are bred in germany compared to the ones here in the usa, and the coloring is just NOT THE SAME, .... the ones from germany are beutiful adn the ones in the usa are a little "spotty" .....

[browniesmom622]

umm i didnt read all the posts but i saw about chocolate yorkie and
i recently noticed that my brownie ear are turning a chocolate color ive been freaking out cause i dont want him that color i know theres nothing i could do i just thought id share LOL

[YorkieRose]

Yorkie ears are suppose to be "brown"..gold, tan etc...a chocolate is born that way, they do not start out the proper color and change..Brownie is just fine.

[browniesmom622]

his ears are turning brown tho there turning chocolate theres a difference in color ill take a pic tommorrow so you all can see what in talking about im not worried i just dont want him that color

my silky is turning white and there not supposed to be that color ill take a pic of him too