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Pinehaven 11-23-2007 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1544056)
Pinehaven, you have given some really GREAT INFORMATION here and I for one can see that you have far more knowledge about the different colors and you apply that knowledge. Thank you so much (and I am sorry that I haven't already said so) for all the great information you have added to this thread.
Pat

Thank you Pat!

I am by no means a genetic expert but have been involved in equine and canine coat color genetics for about 10 years.

I'm just trying to educate those who want to learn more about the recessive genes that are causing our Yorkies to produce colors other than blue and tan.

YorkyDiva 11-23-2007 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1544083)
Thank you Pat!

I am by no means a genetic expert but have been involved in equine and canine coat color genetics for about 10 years.

I'm just trying to educate those who want to learn more about the recessive genes that are causing our Yorkies to produce colors other than blue and tan.
I ran across someone on here that had researched and written several articles and had information online. I have it in my Faves, but cannot find
it now. Are you that person?

Pinehaven 11-23-2007 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1544072)
In the case of these carriers, isn't it true that if you are breeding carriers, that yes 50% of the off spring are carriers, but you don't know which half are carriers?

That's correct. But if you breed a chocolate Yorkie to a traditional colored yorkie, even though the pups look traditional colored (because they only have one dose of the chocolate gene from the one chocolate parent) 100% of the pups are carriers ... that takes all the guesswork out of who is a carrier and who isn't. The chocolate parent is homozygous for the chocolate gene and passes one copy of the gene onto all it's offspring.

Pinehaven 11-23-2007 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1544087)
I ran across someone on here that had researched and written several articles and had information online. I have it in my Faves, but cannot find
it now. Are you that person?
I've written a blurb on Parti yorkies, I need to make some revisions to it since the color disqualification rule went into effect but here it is:

http://members.aol.com/pinehaven/partihistory.html

kelleykrack 11-23-2007 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1543576)
The standard for the Yorkshire terrier is set by the YTCA.
Yes, but the ACR set the standards for the chocolate, biewer yorkies.

diva pup 11-23-2007 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kelleykrack (Post 1543032)
ACR is the canine registry that UKC and AKC states has to approve any new breed and set standards for before they will consider any rare breed application. We are sending it in to the UKC in January hopefully. If you look up the American Canine Registry, they are acctually way more strict than the AKC ever thought about being. All dogs have to be microchiped and DNA'd before being allowed to show. All dogs showing have to have their microchip scanned at every show to prove that they are that dog. Along with many other rules you can read on the website.
Well I went and looked, I see a Standard for Biewers and the chocolate Biewers but as I am reading it, or rather WHAT I read had nothing to do with Chocolate Yorkies:confused: but it is one of those other registries so anything is possible I suppose.

YorkyDiva 11-23-2007 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1544257)
Well I went and looked, I see a Standard for Biewers and the chocolate Biewers but as I am reading it, or rather WHAT I read had nothing to do with Chocolate Yorkies:confused: but it is one of those other registries so anything is possible I suppose.
Ditto, I saw nothing about Chocolate Yorkies. Just Chocolate Biewers.

Pinehaven 11-23-2007 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1544322)
Ditto, I saw nothing about Chocolate Yorkies. Just Chocolate Biewers.

Maybe when Kellykrack was talking about submitting a rare breed application to ACR in Jan. it was to set standards/rules for chocolate yorkies? ? ?

diva pup 11-23-2007 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kelleykrack (Post 1542780)
Chocolate yorkies come from the early ancestors of the yorkies back when they orginated in scotland and were called Broken Haired Scottish Terriers. YTCA did ban them from being shown as yorkshire terriers but only so they would have to be sent through the rare breed application in January as their own breed. The American Canine Registry already recgonizes them and they have a standard on there for them. They are NOT mutations, they are NOT a fluke, they ARE VERY healthy. They are slightly bigger than standards because they have not been bred down like the standards and will not be.
This is a very touchy subject on YT so be careful what you say on here.
I have sent you a PM.

No... if you read the bolded part it says they are recognized and have a Standard for them.

yorkiekist 11-23-2007 12:16 PM
Kellykrack, so does that mean ACR just uses the standard set by the YTCA and makes up all the other color standards to suit themselves and the breeders that dont want to breed by the YTCA standard? Or do they make up the entire standard? Is the only way ACR gets info into their data base is by "copying" AKC/UKC/CanadianKC pedigrees? That sounds to me like the ACR wants to be a registry without doing the years and years of hard work and research that AKC/UKC/CanKC/YTCA and other recognised breed clubs have accomplished.

buddybramble 11-23-2007 03:45 PM
whatever anyones personal preference is or where they stand on what should or shouldn't be bred you only have to look in the YT nursery, those gorgeous chocolate babies have 320 + posts, alot of people me included LOVE them, we are all human we all have different opinions and preferences. If you went by the exact breed standard and i mean EXACT, YT wouldnt be anything like it is today because the majority of people on here wouldn't own one, dogs that were champions years ago would be disqualified from being shown. No creature human or otherwise is capable of creating the EXACT perfect example of its type or breed. Hence the existance of the crazy scientists involved with clone-ing (sp) Would you really want a world full of everything the same???
lol.... its late nearly midnight and i'm rambling....lol
btw have you noticed its always the same people in these discussions lol neither side will give up lol
:p LONG LIVE THE CHOCOLATE YORKIE :p

kelleykrack 11-23-2007 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1544387)
Maybe when Kellykrack was talking about submitting a rare breed application to ACR in Jan. it was to set standards/rules for chocolate yorkies? ? ?
The ACR already has the standards set for them, I have a copy on the way in the mail. My friend knows more about this than I do, shes keeping up with all the records. Unlike some people on here (i wont mention any names) I do not claim to be an expert. I just know what I have found during my research, and i know first hand that they are very healthy and deserve their place in the show ring. Maybe not as yorkshire terriers since the YTCA has taken care of that, but none the less, they are a healthy pure-bred dog and deserves the same rights as all the rest.

kelleykrack 11-23-2007 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by buddybramble (Post 1544987)
whatever anyones personal preference is or where they stand on what should or shouldn't be bred you only have to look in the YT nursery, those gorgeous chocolate babies have 320 + posts, alot of people me included LOVE them, we are all human we all have different opinions and preferences. If you went by the exact breed standard and i mean EXACT, YT wouldnt be anything like it is today because the majority of people on here wouldn't own one, dogs that were champions years ago would be disqualified from being shown. No creature human or otherwise is capable of creating the EXACT perfect example of its type or breed. Hence the existance of the crazy scientists involved with clone-ing (sp) Would you really want a world full of everything the same???
lol.... its late nearly midnight and i'm rambling....lol
btw have you noticed its always the same people in these discussions lol neither side will give up lol
:p LONG LIVE THE CHOCOLATE YORKIE :p
I completely agree with you!! In fact, YTCA is banning dark colored yorkies from showing as well...so most people who show them will no longer be able to either. Does that mean that when that goes into effect that those with darker colored standard yorkies will be outcast on YT as well??
I own one chocolate and if I had room I would have more, I also have 3 standards. My chocolate, Shotzie is no different than my standards other than his color. He is VERY smart, VERY loving and VERY healthy.

diva pup 11-23-2007 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by buddybramble (Post 1544987)
Would you really want a world full of everything the same???
LOL! Nope... and that is probably why there are over 400 different pure bred dogs to choose from if you need a little variety. Yorkies certainly all do not look alike, nor do they have the same personalities. I have 4 sitting here, and believe it or not I can tell them all apart:rolleyes:

yorkiekist 11-23-2007 04:57 PM
Actually, the YTCA is disqualifing black yorkies, not dark blue. some of the judges are DQing very light blue also. But the standard remains the same: Shaded tan and dark gun metal/steel blue saddle. YTCA just doesnt want choc, parti,golden, black or other designer colors to participate in showing as they are already and always have been a disqualification and not the standard for the breed.


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