Breeding

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by hha

But there are a lot of people that only want the mixed..Just because we don't, don't mean other people don't..there are a lot of people that want a small dog, but can't afford the price of a yorkie or maltese..My sister before she started breeding, did a lot of studying, she's not a stupid person, she's very well educated with a degree in psychology..Anyway, out of the 4-5 litters she ended up having(she no longer breeds), every puppy was sold very fast..She would not sell to people she didn't know, as she wanted to make sure they had good homes. Mixed breed dogs don't seem to have the problems that purebred have is another plus..but, I am saying, if you don't know what you're doing, when it comes to breeding, then you shouldn't breed. there have been a lot of people that have lost all the puppies on top of losing the mother dogs..is it worth that to you?

To me, the 'they are not as expensive' justification won't fly. The same medical tests, overhead costs and veterinary care are still required, regardless to if they are purebreds or mutts--they are not cheaper to raise and care for.

That being said, if the costs of the dog is the issue, I would seriously doubt the person's ability to provide adequate care for the animal in regards to the costs involved in properly caring for one.

[hha]

Yes, my sister studied both breeds over a year, read and read..the things that yorkies are more prone to have, the morkies tend to have less problems with..My one sister has a yorkie, a maltese and 3 morkies..guess which ones have cost her out the ying yang at the vets?? The yorkie and the maltese, she has never had one single problem with her 3 morkies..Like I said, to each his own..a lot of people love their morkies and wouldn't trade them for a purebred..just because yourselves and myself, we prefer yorkies, it doesn't mean everyone else does..!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by hha

Yes, my sister studied both breeds over a year, read and read..the things that yorkies are more prone to have, the morkies tend to have less problems with..My one sister has a yorkie, a maltese and 3 morkies..guess which ones have cost her out the ying yang at the vets?? The yorkie and the maltese, she has never had one single problem with her 3 morkies..Like I said, to each his own..a lot of people love their morkies and wouldn't trade them for a purebred..just because yourselves and myself, we prefer yorkies, it doesn't mean everyone else does..!

Of course they are less likely to have what the purebreds have...they only inherited 50% of their genetic makeup! Unfortunately, being that these 'designer breeds' are are new fad and as no two breedings are going to produce the same type offspring, it is impossible for anyone to have conducted any conclusive long term studies regarding if they are actually 'healthier.' Yes, the Yorkies and Malteses have certain disorders that run with the breed--we know this because there were years and years of long term studies conducted to determine that. You have not had that with these new 'designer' dogs. It is not something that can be determined and stated as fact just because your sister has 3 heathy combos of the 2 breeds. Just because the Maltese and Yorkie are succeptable to certain genetic disorders, doesn't mean a combination of the two's offspring won't develope disorders over their own in the long run.

[MyFairLacy]

Hmm...I remember a member recently buying a "morkie" that ended up having liver shunt. Wait...it's a mix and ended up with a genetic problem??? That's right. You see...when you are breeding only purebreds, you are dealing with genetic issues that plague only that breed. But when you mix two purebreds together, you introduce even more potential genetic problems to the offspring (both yorkie and maltese problems). That "hybrid vigor" is not the case for these designer dog mixes like it is with your average mutt of many breeds off the streets because the mix still involves two purebred dogs. I just LOVE the crap "designer dog" breeders come up with to make their puppies sound more valuable and healthy...all so they can make more money off the poor puppies. NO reputable breeder will EVER intentionally breed mixed breed dogs. There is absolutely no purpose in it - no standard to follow, not actually creating a new breed, and you're actually increasing the chances of problems with the offspring. You're taking two completely different breeds of dogs and mixing them so who knows what you'll end up with...you'll get some puppies more like the mother, some more like the father, some that are a blend, and some that are just something out of nowhere... There are a TON of breeds out there - plenty for everyone to choose from. Why mix them? If you want a mixed breed dog, adopt from a shelter or rescue as there are plenty of valuable "designer" dogs given up all the time because people buy them on a whim and get tired of them. Don't support some unreputable breeder and continue to line their pockets with money

[BamaFan121s]

Nicely stated MyFairLacy!

[MyFairLacy]

Actually I'm out of college and older than 20 years old, not that it matters or is relevant to this topic. In my opinion (as well as many others) there is something wrong with breeding mixes, and like I said - NO reputable breeder would ever intentionally breed mixes. Of course some people prefer mixes over purebreds which is why they adopt from the shelter or from rescue groups. I think maltese/yorkie mixes are adorable myself (the cutest mixes I've seen on average) but I would never every buy one froma breeder - only adopt one from a rescue group or from someone rehoming one. There are plenty of mixes in the shelter as well as purebreds, which is why no one should be breeding mixes or out-of-standard purebreds. If you aren't breeding to improve the breed, don't breed. And since a "morkie" is not a breed, how do you improve it? You can't... So what's the point? Breeding just to make cute puppies and keep supplying the pet overpopulation is just wrong - even if they are bought quickly, they're taking the place of another mix dying in a shelter somewhere.

[alex_143]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Hmm...I remember a member recently buying a "morkie" that ended up having liver shunt. Wait...it's a mix and ended up with a genetic problem??? That's right. You see...when you are breeding only purebreds, you are dealing with genetic issues that plague only that breed. But when you mix two purebreds together, you introduce even more potential genetic problems to the offspring (both yorkie and maltese problems). That "hybrid vigor" is not the case for these designer dog mixes like it is with your average mutt of many breeds off the streets because the mix still involves two purebred dogs. I just LOVE the crap "designer dog" breeders come up with to make their puppies sound more valuable and healthy...all so they can make more money off the poor puppies. NO reputable breeder will EVER intentionally breed mixed breed dogs. There is absolutely no purpose in it - no standard to follow, not actually creating a new breed, and you're actually increasing the chances of problems with the offspring. You're taking two completely different breeds of dogs and mixing them so who knows what you'll end up with...you'll get some puppies more like the mother, some more like the father, some that are a blend, and some that are just something out of nowhere... There are a TON of breeds out there - plenty for everyone to choose from. Why mix them? If you want a mixed breed dog, adopt from a shelter or rescue as there are plenty of valuable "designer" dogs given up all the time because people buy them on a whim and get tired of them. Don't support some unreputable breeder and continue to line their pockets with money

very well said i agree 110%

[alex_143]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Actually I'm out of college and older than 20 years old, not that it matters or is relevant to this topic. In my opinion (as well as many others) there is something wrong with breeding mixes, and like I said - NO reputable breeder would ever intentionally breed mixes. Of course some people prefer mixes over purebreds which is why they adopt from the shelter or from rescue groups. I think maltese/yorkie mixes are adorable myself (the cutest mixes I've seen on average) but I would never every buy one froma breeder - only adopt one from a rescue group or from someone rehoming one. There are plenty of mixes in the shelter as well as purebreds, which is why no one should be breeding mixes or out-of-standard purebreds. If you aren't breeding to improve the breed, don't breed. And since a "morkie" is not a breed, how do you improve it? You can't... So what's the point? Breeding just to make cute puppies and keep supplying the pet overpopulation is just wrong - even if they are bought quickly, they're taking the place of another mix dying in a shelter somewhere.

well said once again i hope she understands were not trying to be mean its just the truth.

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Hmm...I remember a member recently buying a "morkie" that ended up having liver shunt. Wait...it's a mix and ended up with a genetic problem??? That's right. You see...when you are breeding only purebreds, you are dealing with genetic issues that plague only that breed. But when you mix two purebreds together, you introduce even more potential genetic problems to the offspring (both yorkie and maltese problems). That "hybrid vigor" is not the case for these designer dog mixes like it is with your average mutt of many breeds off the streets because the mix still involves two purebred dogs. I just LOVE the crap "designer dog" breeders come up with to make their puppies sound more valuable and healthy...all so they can make more money off the poor puppies. NO reputable breeder will EVER intentionally breed mixed breed dogs. There is absolutely no purpose in it - no standard to follow, not actually creating a new breed, and you're actually increasing the chances of problems with the offspring. You're taking two completely different breeds of dogs and mixing them so who knows what you'll end up with...you'll get some puppies more like the mother, some more like the father, some that are a blend, and some that are just something out of nowhere... There are a TON of breeds out there - plenty for everyone to choose from. Why mix them? If you want a mixed breed dog, adopt from a shelter or rescue as there are plenty of valuable "designer" dogs given up all the time because people buy them on a whim and get tired of them. Don't support some unreputable breeder and continue to line their pockets with money

Very well said!

[feminvstr]

speaking of mixbreed pups.....I was a a show this weekend someone told a joke...

what do you get when you cross a Jack Russell with a Shih Tzu

drum roll......................."Jackshiht"

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

speaking of mixbreed pups.....I was a a show this weekend someone told a joke...

what do you get when you cross a Jack Russell with a Shih Tzu

drum roll......................."Jackshiht"

same thing with a Bull Terrier and a Shih Tzu...................I don't think there's any imagination to what happens there.

As I stated on another thread....being humans we will post on a public forum to obtain justification or validation for what we do. Whether it is right or wrong (to me in this case wrong....I'm a yorkie pureist), you have to look at yourself in the mirror and live with the consequences of your decisions to do this......IMO the only reason to do breed for designer dogs is $$$$$.

Did you know that the Yorkie & Maltese has 39% more chance of Shunt...now attempt mixing 2 of these that are carriers, where you have know clue of the lineage on both dogs.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

speaking of mixbreed pups.....I was a a show this weekend someone told a joke...

what do you get when you cross a Jack Russell with a Shih Tzu

drum roll......................."Jackshiht"

Haha...What do you get when you cross a Cocker Spaniel with a Maltese?




...A Cocktese

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Actually I'm out of college and older than 20 years old, not that it matters or is relevant to this topic. In my opinion (as well as many others) there is something wrong with breeding mixes, and like I said - NO reputable breeder would ever intentionally breed mixes. Of course some people prefer mixes over purebreds which is why they adopt from the shelter or from rescue groups. I think maltese/yorkie mixes are adorable myself (the cutest mixes I've seen on average) but I would never every buy one froma breeder - only adopt one from a rescue group or from someone rehoming one. There are plenty of mixes in the shelter as well as purebreds, which is why no one should be breeding mixes or out-of-standard purebreds. If you aren't breeding to improve the breed, don't breed. And since a "morkie" is not a breed, how do you improve it? You can't... So what's the point? Breeding just to make cute puppies and keep supplying the pet overpopulation is just wrong - even if they are bought quickly, they're taking the place of another mix dying in a shelter somewhere.

If anyone is wondering about this post, it was in response to another that was deleted...didn't just "go off" for no reason

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Haha...What do you get when you cross a Cocker Spaniel with a Maltese?




...A Cocktese

LOL

Collie + Lhasa Apso - Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
Pointer + Setter - Pointsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
Great Pyrenees + Dachshund - Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
Pekingese + Lhasa Apso - Peekasso, an abstract dog
Newfoundland + Basset Hound - Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
Terrier + Bulldog -Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
Bloodhound + Labrador - Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
Malamute + Pointer -Moot Point, owned by.... oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
Collie + Malamute - Commute, a dog that travels to work
Deerhound + Terrier - Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
Bull Terrier + s**tzu - Oh, never mind.... #13. Retriever + Irish Setter - Resetter, a dog that can set your vcr for you

What dog loves to take bubble baths ?
A shampoodle
What dogs are best for sending telegrams ?
Wire haired terriers
What do you call a happy Lassie ?
A jolly collie
What do you call a nutty dog in Australia ?
A dingo-ling
What kind of dog sniffs out new flowers ?
A bud hound

[alex_143]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

LOL

Collie + Lhasa Apso - Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
Pointer + Setter - Pointsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
Great Pyrenees + Dachshund - Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
Pekingese + Lhasa Apso - Peekasso, an abstract dog
Newfoundland + Basset Hound - Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
Terrier + Bulldog -Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
Bloodhound + Labrador - Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
Malamute + Pointer -Moot Point, owned by.... oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
Collie + Malamute - Commute, a dog that travels to work
Deerhound + Terrier - Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
Bull Terrier + s**tzu - Oh, never mind.... #13. Retriever + Irish Setter - Resetter, a dog that can set your vcr for you

What dog loves to take bubble baths ?
A shampoodle
What dogs are best for sending telegrams ?
Wire haired terriers
What do you call a happy Lassie ?
A jolly collie
What do you call a nutty dog in Australia ?
A dingo-ling
What kind of dog sniffs out new flowers ?
A bud hound

Lmao omg this is sooo funny but to anyone that has these mixes please don't take any offence these is just jokes lol