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Old 01-01-2007, 05:16 PM   #1
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Hi, Everyone -
I just got my Yorkie for Christmas - and I totally adore her! Zoey is 16 weeks old and was not completely potty-trained when we got her. We have trained her to go outside and she is doing very well - she still has her accidents, but those happen. She was "somewhat" trained (before we got her) to either sleep in a large crate with her sister, or in bed with the woman who was selling her. The first night, we put her in her crate to sleep, but she got so upset, she threw up, started gagging and messed in her crate. We cleaned it up and she did the same thing. Maybe we shouldn't have given in to her, but the throwing up and gagging scared us. (The woman sent the crate home with us, but it was for a large dog, so I bought a smaller one). She sleeps in bed with us and licks my face when she needs to go out - no accidents yet. Our problem is when we leave the house, we put her in her crate & whether we are gone for 1/2 day, or 1 hour, she always messes in her crate! I take her outside for a potty break, and make sure she goes, right before I leave, but it doesn't matter. She doesn't stay away from the mess, either. I have to give her a bath & clean the crate. A friend suggested that I leave her food and water in her crate & let her go in and out freely when she wants to eat & drink. I just started this today, but don't really want to leave her doggy dishes in there during the day while we are @ work. Help! Any suggestions? Thanks.
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It sounds to me like Zoie has never been crated before with the reaction to a crate your describing. You might want to try leaving her in there shorter periods of time to help her get used to it. When she knows that you will take her outside when she cries to go out, she will learn not to potty in it. Venus pottied in her crate that first week too.

Also, I wouldn't leave food and water in the crate with her. Of course if she's eating and drinking in there, she will have to potty.

And I certainly wouldn't leave her in there all day while your at work. Thats entirely too long. Is there any way you can come home for lunch to let her out, or have someone else drop by to let her out? I think about 3-4 hours would be maximun time for a 4 month old dog.

They won't be able to completely hold pottying for a while yet. Their bladders are much smaller than most dogs.

You might want to try an X-pen. Put her crate at one end, food and water next to it, and a potty pad at the other end if you need to leave her more than 4 hours alone. Or confine her to one room, with a pottie pad in it.

I also did a search on this board and read a lot of posts AND the replies on pottying, when I first started training Venus. The search engine is on the dark blue line above that starts with "User CP".

I'm sure others will have some ideas, I can't remember right now.
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This is in response to the woman who had problems crate-training her Yorkie. I have a Yorkie, Teddy with the same problem. I have successfully crate trained other dogs in the past, so I don't think I'm doing anything incorrectly, but Teddy, who is 2-1/2 now has always hated being crated. I think he has some form of claustrophobia, although he doesn't mind sleeping in his crate if the door is open, but even then he likes to pee in his bedding.

I've tried the metal wire crates with the plastic trays & the plastic airline carriers in various sizes, but Ted hates them all. He cries in that pitiful Yorkie way to be let out. He dirties his crate, then walks in the mess. (I finally gave up crating Ted at night because there was usually a mess in his crate in the morning, so now he sleeps in the laundry (off the kitchen--with our other dog, Lilly) with a puppy gate at the door. Some mornings their room is clean, but usually I have to mop up puddles or clean up dog-poo--which is less trouble than cleaning out Ted's dirty dog crate & bathing him.

Worst of all, Ted will circle in his crate until his paws go raw. Because of the circling, my vet refuses to board him when we go on vacation. I found a lady in my town who boards dogs uncrated, but Ted is a problem for her because he barks at the bigger dogs & she's afraid he'll start a fight & get injured.

Does anyone else have a Yorkie who circles? Teddy doesn't make tight circles (such as chasing his tail). Rather he makes big, clockwise circles, but when he's excited, like when he greets you, he makes little circles. He carries a soft toy in his mouth & slowly circles the kitchen work island, the family room coffee table or our kitchen table. When our miniature poodle, Lilly notices that Ted is circling, she steals his toy away & then he stops for a while. When he's outside, if I put him in an X-pen, he'll circle, so usually I tie him on an over-head trolley line & then he runs in big circles.

Ted is a healthy, high energy dog & he gets regular vet checkups. Here's a list of his behavior problems:

1. He's somewhat aloof & doesn't enjoy being picked up. He's getting better about being handled, but he doesn't like to be brushed or have his teeth brushed. He actually enjoys baths.

2. Excessive barking, especially in the morning, when he wants out.

3. Leg-lifting & marking territory. (I let him out about every 2-3 hrs. Often he goes out, won't do anything, then comes back inside & pees or poops, usually in the laundry on the vinyl floor or on the hall tile. Lilly does this too, not on the hall tile floor, but on the vinyl in the laundry or kitchen.)

4. Enjoys fighting with Lilly. (He growls & bites her ear, but she enjoys fighting too. My husband & I don't mind tussling, but when they start loud growling we break it up.)

5. Obsessive about wanting treats (He's not overweight. I give him tiny small dog treats & only in the evening. Otherwise he'd keep asking me all day.)

6. Wants a lot of attention.

7. Has recently started to "mount" Lilly. (I stop him whenever he does this.)

Although Teddy is loveable & not aggressive, my vet is concerned about the circling & thinks I should walk him more. (That's what "The Dog Whisperer" on TV would also say.) My dog-sitter suggests that I keep Ted on a lead & do a "leash correction" when he starts circling. I've been trying to do both & Ted is showing improvement, but I'm wondering if Ted will always have this problem or can he be permanently trained not to circle? Has anyone else had this problem with their Yorkie?

Lilly, our poodle is nearly 2 & we have less problems with her than Ted, except she's been difficult to housebreak & likes to do naughty things like jump up on our kitchen table & steal paper such as napkins & envelopes. I think she suffers from separation anxiety. I don't work, so I'm usually home with her, but when I have to leave her alone for several hours, she can be destructive & sometimes digs holes in the plaster board in the laundry room.

Both dogs are affectionate & friendly with my husband & I as well as strangers. They like to sit on the sofa & cuddle. They're not biters. So I guess overall they're nice little dogs, but it's a constant, exhausting battle to correct their behavior, especially Ted.

I think this is probably an alpha struggle between Ted & I, but sometimes I think Ted is winning. Any ideas?
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Dear J Ralston---I still have this problem but I believe it is completely behavioral. Rockie was "paper trained" in a double connected crate for the first three months of his life (by his breeder). This did not transfer to us as I bought a big enough crate where I could put paper on one part and him on the other. Then I was told to put him in one small enough for just him to be able to turn around and he should not go in his own space---well, let me tell you--this dog rarely has accidents in the house (he has a doggy door). However, prior to the doggy door came about we would put him in his crate and like you, 10 minutes or 2 hours, even if he went to the bathroom right before going in to his crate he would not only leave me a present to clean up but he would roll around in it--basically to say "do you really want to lock me up in here??? Okay, this is what you get". We now only use his crate when he acts up--as a punishment (although we always keep the door open and have gone back to the big one so that occasionally he will crawl in and go to sleep on his own-as long as the door is open). Basically, we were lucky enough to have a gated large back yard and put in the doggy door and that was the last of it. At night he either sleeps in our bed or in his dog bed next to our bed. I hope you have better luck with the crate than I did.
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