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03-20-2006, 09:36 PM | #1 |
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| Dog only do his business where I want him to when he gets a treat??? I am trainin my boy to go outside in the balcony which he does now..onlly problem is that he only goes pee and poop outside when I show him a treat, if I dont do that he does it inside almost like its not a big deal as well. I understand that we should always praise them for doing their job where they are suppose to go but when do you know that you should not treat them anymore and just let them know its normal. So now everytime I let him out he won't do anything until I go get a treat then he wants it so he does his thing. Anyone got any ideas/feedback?? Thanks! |
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03-20-2006, 09:55 PM | #2 |
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03-20-2006, 11:56 PM | #3 |
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| Until he's reliably going where you want him to, I wouldn't worry too much about when to stop the treats. I'd just do what it takes to get him pottying appropriately!
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03-21-2006, 12:16 AM | #4 |
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| there are lots of things bunjee won't do unless there's a treat in sight. i guess i'm just glad pottying on the potty pad isn't one of them. how long have you had your little boy? i won't worry, he'll get used to it after a while. sometimes i "pretend" to have a treat in hand when giving bunjee a command. |
03-21-2006, 08:21 AM | #5 |
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| One of the most consistently bad advice options on this board is giving them treats for everything and tremendous praise all the time. I'm not sure how old he is but you probably should be crating him, when you take him out the crate take him to where you want him to go. Leave him there for 10-20 minutes and if he doesn't go put him back in the crate and take him back out in 20 or so minutes until he goes and repeat this until he goes. No treat and minimal praise only AFTER he goes. Being that he is a dog he will have to go eventually. Make sure he has only room enough to lie down and turn around in the crate. The way I taught my yorkie the command is I waited until she was doing her business and said "go potty" repeatedly while she did it. The second she finished I stopped saying the command. After a week of this she learned that "go potty" meant to go to the litter box(at the time it was a pee pad) and do her business. I learned that from a book and it worked like a charm. It has been many months since we even had to worry about her having accidents, it's not a thought that crosses our mind anymore.
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03-21-2006, 09:57 PM | #6 |
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| Well felix is yr old now, still he goes when he wants to outside..usually does his thing only with a treat. I guess in time it will come where he will understand that thats where he is suppsoe to go not in the house here and there. |
03-22-2006, 01:41 AM | #7 | |
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I respectfully, but vehemently, disagree with your above statement, however! I firmly believe in the power of positive reinforcement. For most dogs, treats are powerfully motivating. I've had tremendous success training Joey with the use of frequent treats and praise. He has been accident-free in the potty-training department since he was 16 weeks old. He is well-socialized. He is obedience trained and knows a "boat-load" of commands. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ht=joey+tricks Does he get alot of treats? He sure does. He's a wonderful dog and he deserves them! But, then, you've got to understand that I'm a firm believer in positive reinforcement in general. My kids hear "good job" alot. My husband hears "Wow. Thanks!" when he does something helpful (even if it's something he "should" be doing anyway). I don't expect you to agree with me. I do expect, though, that you'll refrain from calling methods that differ from your own "bad advice options". That's insulting.
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03-22-2006, 05:23 AM | #8 | |
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03-22-2006, 05:50 AM | #9 |
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| I agree with Livingdustmops and FirstYorkie---Positive reinforcement in the form of treats and praise is very powerful and effective. And there's nothing wrong with it. It is a great way to let your Yorkie know that he is doing what you want him to do. Remember, your Yorkie WANTS to please you. Dogs are pack animals, and as long as you are percieved as the pack leader, he wants to do what you want him to do. Communicating what you want is generally where the problem arises.....treats and praise are a great way of communicating that he is doing the right thing. |
03-22-2006, 06:12 AM | #11 | |
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GREAT POST ! and I can't imagine anyone 'breaking' a beautiful yorkie's spirit - or any other dog for that matter..... IT must be so rewarding to see them learn to trust again..... | |
03-22-2006, 11:38 AM | #12 |
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| I also agree with positive reinforcement!!!! I always gave and still give Gucci treats and lots of praise and love for whatever reason. I am a mother of an 18 yr and 21 yr old , I always praised them with school work etc. They are now well adjusted young adults and have always exceled, in school, sports etc. So keep those treats and praise going... furbabies love it!!! Gina Last edited by GucciMyGirl; 03-22-2006 at 11:43 AM. |
03-22-2006, 01:14 PM | #13 |
Banning Thread Dictator Donating Member | Positive reinforcement and treats has worked wonderfully for me. I've never used that method exclusively until Eddie, and I've never had better results in 40 years of owning dogs. I resisted taking my dogs to obedience classes for 35 years because of memories of my youth when my brother took his golden retriever there. They used choke chains and recommended sharp jolts on the chain to the point that the dog was physically moved into the correct position. Oh, she learned how to heel, but she didn't enjoy it, and I don't think my brother did either. I went into modern obedience school with a healthy dose of skepticism. The second it turned into something other than fun for me or Eddie, I was gonna walk. I was overjoyed when I heard instructor after instructor talk about the power of praise and positive reinforcement. We never scold or punish our dogs, and corrections when needed are tiny ones. And we used treats liberally in the early classes and only started weaning them off them slowly in the more advanced classes. LOL. Just as I finished writing that, our 7-year-old rescue, Jack, just came up to me and barked to go outside. He was peeing and pooping in the house when we got him. Believe me, he got a lot of praise for doing it. And a treat. Just my .02, uh, I guess that was more than .02, huh. Sorry. .98.
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03-23-2006, 12:54 AM | #14 | |
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03-23-2006, 03:45 PM | #15 |
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| I think I get typerk's point. I've been reading a lot of books by a lot of experts and the key I think is that owner's give positive reinforcement, not bribes. If the puppy refuses to go to the bathroom until you give it a treat, that's not positive reinforcement, that's extortion. That's like your child refusing to do homework until you buy him a toy. The toy isn't a reward for doing his homework - it's a condition of his bargain with you to do his homework. It is probably all in the delivery. The posters who have had great success potty training with treats, probably don't present the treat in the same way or at the same time as you do - so for their puppy it is a reward and not a bribe. Maybe they could give you some insight on how to provide positive reinforcement without the puppy thinking it is being bribed? Last edited by Enikuo; 03-23-2006 at 03:50 PM. |
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