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Erin · 02-09-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

Hi. Welcome. Please don't be afraid of posting. I totally agree with you. It's not fair to the dogs because they don't have the option of pottying outside. Do they at least get walked? Some dogs take to the pads and some don't, it's not fair to force them if they don't. It's also not fair to the people who have to pay to clean it up. We are careful in our home and cleaned up accidents immediately while training. We have white carpet and while we have no urine stains or odor the pad underneath is most likely stained. We DO have several small stains from where Loki threw up. Loki also ripped up a small section of the carpet. While I can live with that in my home until I get new carpet, a landlord would have to replace it before a new tenant can move in. I personally have allergies and while fine with Yorkies, I had a hard time when we rented because so many people had cats or shedding dogs (even if we were told no pets were there) that we found very few places we could rent. It's not fair to the landlord or the next person who lives there. If someone is told it's a pet-free apt or building, it needs to be.

As far as the barking, they are terriers. They bark. There are many many books out there on positive training that will explain how to quiet them once they start barking, but I don't know of a way to get them to not bark in the first place. They are also going to bark more if they are not properly exercised. Again I recommend a trainer and also doggie daycare.

builder48 · 02-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Now that my haclkes are down I must say I am ejoying the site and postings a great geal. Thank you for sharing.

builder48 · 02-09-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ytsirk27

um...im not trying to step on any toes but since this is your first post you may want to start off slow and pace yourself at yelling at people!! JMO.

Not yelling intended, and thanks for the advise. I just have low tolerance for dishonesty and for enablers. I will keep a low profile. Again thanks for the advise. b

ytsirk27 · 02-09-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

Not yelling intended, and thanks for the advise. I just have low tolerance for dishonesty and for enablers. I will keep a low profile. Again thanks for the advise. b

I like ya already

vainchick5 · 02-09-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

When I got Coco as a gift, I also lived in a no-pet policy luxury apartment. But for the sake of my dogs comfort and for the sake of honesty to my landlord, I moved. Even though it was a big, beautiful apartment that I was paying a lot less for, I moved so that Coco can run and play outside without me worrying about getting caught. And that I can train her, let her bark, ect. if need be. I think before you get any animal, especially a dog, that needs outside time, you should either consider moving or wait until you decide to move on your own. It's not fair to the dog. Or you can make the sacrifice like I did, for the love of your dog, to live somewhere else. It's only fair to all parties involved.

AbsolutJ · 02-09-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Athina

I'm a University student and live in student houseing which says i'm not aloud pets but my roomate has a cat and I have two Yorkies.
The thing you have to remember is that they are dogs and they will bark and play loud. I have taught me girls not to bark inside but they are really protective of me so when they hear someone outside my room at night they some times let out a bark (which is understandable because they are DOGS).
My yorkies are also completely trained to go outside. I did have a problem with Bella (my youngest) when she was being pee pad trained. Ruby always went outside and never on pads and I think Bella just wanted to go outside too. Bella would always have accidents but as soon as i threw the pee pads away and started taking her outside with Ruby she hasn't had one mistake inside plus i walk them twice a day.
Dogs are ment to go to the washroom outdoors. And I really think it's unfair to never walk your dog or take it outside. If your that worried about your landlord hearing/seeing your dog, you should move because it's not fair to your Yorkie to be cooped up inside 24/7 and made to be quiet. A Yorkie needs to be able to be a dog.

i Own my condo...i do walk the both of them..and they do go outside..
I will not sell my place, because of the dog(s)...
I got 2 small dogs so I can "paper" train them...i am home with them..and when I am not..they are out with me..
Neither one of them do their business outside..as I cant take them out consistently... So I dont get them in the habit..
Harry hates to pee outside...I usually bring a wee wee pad with me...out it down and then and only then will he go...

AbsolutJ · 02-09-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

Well I own a condo..and when i moved in dogs were "grand-fathered" in..meaning if they were here fine..but after they died u could not replace the animal.
Since then...there have been MANY and I mean many new dogs here....yeah I know 2 wrongs dont make a right...but...whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
Also..when a BOARD member...gets a NEW DOG..and German Sheppard.... its FREE game.. I mean u want to talk not being fair.... we have small apartments..and this woman works from 8am till 9pm or later...thats not fair...
I dont tell harry and winnie not to bark..they are dogs...and they bark...etc..I try to quiet them down and keep them LOW...but I never trained them not to bark..I wouldnt even know where to begin with that..and again they are DOGS..and they bark..
But my mom is disabled and the dog is good company for her..as well as her ears.......

ralphie's mom · 02-09-2006, 06:08 PM

Interesting chatter even though not entirely appropriate for this forum I will say that regardless of wrong/right decision to hide your dogs, having worked for a apartment leasing office I will say most people do get caught and that is VERY expensive since your file likely notates all the rules about dogs and you likely signed a very long contract that will say soemthing to the effect of no dog and fines that go along with breaking the rules which you will be legally bound to abide by. Not preaching just sharing information incase you were not aware. It is VERY expensive to get caught...

Anyway i wanted to discuss the potty training issue. we use those jump start pads as well for same reasons as other person(breeder suggested and he is too young to go out) and they work better than any brand I have tried. He will voluntarily go to them and if not on them around them, so th eeffort is there. I have started doing crate training to get some routine about him and that is working well. He will still get excited and just go wherever from time to time but progressis being made.
Now , aside from the pee, what are your (you all's ) doggies doing about pooping? Ralphie likes to go right in the front door on the rug, and NEVER on a pee pad, perhaps because he wants privacy? Any comments?

Oh and another thing, spot cleaning with enzyme cleaners and a Bissell Spot cleaner ( $37 at Lowe's or Linens N Things) Great investment, works like a charm so that there is no spot or smell.

michiko · 02-09-2006, 08:31 PM

I think some of you have a lot of learning to do from Michiko!

Of course, I am kidding....

Anyway... I currently live in the apartment that doesn't allow dogs. (Now I kinda have permission to dog sit my friend's dogs sometime though..) My landlord doesn't want to have a dog because her and his past bad experience with tenants. A lot of people here know that I have been struggling with this no-pet policy for long long long time because I have been wanting a yorkie since last August. I think the threads are somewhere.. but I have posted a lot of questions about this issue, having a dog at no pet policy apartment. Oh believe me, a lot of people told me to just sneak the dog in or just say that I am watching friend's dog. But you know what.... the The fact is that I still don't have a yorkie and looking for an apartment to move in a couple months so I can have a yorkie. I even went to visit this wonderful breeder last month 7-8 hours away (drive) and left her available yorkie behind. I cried and cried like.. a little child. Do I regret that I didn't bring him back and hide at my apartment. No.. I don't regret.. I felt bad to the pup... but I know that I made a right decision. To tell you the truth, I am proud of myself.

Some people who have read my posts before, they can tell you how crazy I am about yorkies.. but you know what.. as some people already said, it is not fair to the dog not to be who they are, it is just because.... you live in no pet apartment. Yorkies are small animals but they are smart if you train them correctly. I am not sure if you can train them if you have to hide them. Walking the dog will be really tough too. And I think the hardest thing is that you cannot show off your pup to neighbors!! Trust me... you would love to show off your pup!!!!! I do at least!! I think.. it is not gonna be really fun.

When I move.. I probably end up paying double the rent with a dog. It is such a hassle to move the apartment that I have been living for 5 years... but you know what it is really important if I really want to provide a good home for a pup! I can understand how frustrating it is...when you want to get a yorkie and struggle with your current apartment pet policy!! It is important..

Maybe I should line up the reason.

1. It is not fair to the dog.
2. You will feel bad and probably miserable hiding a dog.
3. If your landlord finds out.. you will be in a big trouble.. or a small trouble.
4. When you try to finally move.... you will worry about rental referrence. (If your landlord found out that you broke the policy)
5. You might get fined and it might cost you more after all.
6. You have to worry when you walk the dog.
7. You cannot show off your dogs to neighbors.
8. If your dog doesn't get trained and damaged the property because their urine.. or.. anything else... It might cost you more..
9. Your dogs might bark while you are away and will make you worry.
10. You will probably get a headche!

I can think of more.. but .. this is my .. 2 yen of advice..I might sound harsh .. and I am sure these things are not something you want to hear.. ..I have experienced hearing all those things too from YT members.. but I have appreciated their feedback. I shouldn't be saying it.. but I will say it.. because... people need to hear what honest feedback is. See.. my situation now.. I cannot have a yorkie because I haven't moved to the apartment where I can have a dog. So you know what I have.. at my apartment and office? "STUFFED ANIMALS" that is what I have... because that is what I deserve right now. When I can provide the home that pup deserve.. then I will have a real one.. from the breeder whom I fell in love with!! It was good... researching time I spent... while.. I decided about the moving.

michiko · 02-09-2006, 08:38 PM

I realized that this apartment thing was not the main topic of the thread. But this is really tied to it since... whatever it is!!..

gutu28 · 02-09-2006, 08:55 PM

I really appreciate everyone spending time posting comments on this thread, even if it wasn't mine to begin with. I, however, am well aware of the situation I am putting myself in and the consequences that might come with it. There are also other details in MY particular case that makes it a little different, but I understand where everyone is coming from. I definitely dont want anyone to think that I'm getting a puppy just to be cooped up in a crate all day long cause Im going to be so scared someone is going to find out about her cause that is certainly NOT the case!

michiko · 02-09-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gutu28

I really appreciate everyone spending time posting comments on this thread, even if it wasn't mine to begin with. I, however, am well aware of the situation I am putting myself in and the consequences that might come with it. There are also other details in MY particular case that makes it a little different, but I understand where everyone is coming from. I definitely dont want anyone to think that I'm getting a puppy just to be cooped up in a crate all day long cause Im going to be so scared someone is going to find out about her cause that is certainly NOT the case!

I am just curious.. what kind of particular case then? Maybe I am asking something personal.. but I just cannot imagine.. any reasons.... I could think of service dog.. but then landlord cannot say no to that.. So.. sorry if I sound nosy!

Erin · 02-10-2006, 04:47 AM

Michiko I totally agree with you. I wanted a dog my whole life and my parents would not let me, then I went to college and had a dorm room, finally moved out to an apartment and still I waited. My husband and I finally were able to get a small townhouse and THEN we finally got Loki. We still aren't allowed to have a fence, but that hasn't really been a problem. Loki just goes outside on a leash. It actually makes him do his thing very quickly (on command) because he knows he's just out there to pee not explore. Walks are for exploring!

JUDY's2yorkies · 02-10-2006, 04:55 AM

Sorry but here goes,first the real issue is teching how to use a potty pad,I always start with soaking up pee pee with the pad,then they know where to go,second its not nice to lie,I have always found if your honest things always work out,tell the truth to the landlord, if they say no pets,then find a new apartment,are you being fair to anyone doing this,especially to the yorkie..who wants to live where you have to sneek and hide..yorkies are dogs,yes its had to remember that,but it is a fact

michiko · 02-10-2006, 05:03 AM

When I started wanting a yorkie... first thing I did was asking my landlord. Well I got "No" Some people get a lucky "okay.. that is fine..." So I got No.. .. My boyfriend asked her and his son about three times actually... because.. I didn't want to move this apartment with so many different reasons.. but.. I am glad that I finally made a decision... to move.. Feels really good!

02-09-2006, 12:41 PM	#17
builder48 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Shallotte,N.C. Posts: 27	Thank You Now that my haclkes are down I must say I am ejoying the site and postings a great geal. Thank you for sharing.

02-09-2006, 06:08 PM	#23
ralphie's mom Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 19	apartments and potty training Interesting chatter even though not entirely appropriate for this forum I will say that regardless of wrong/right decision to hide your dogs, having worked for a apartment leasing office I will say most people do get caught and that is VERY expensive since your file likely notates all the rules about dogs and you likely signed a very long contract that will say soemthing to the effect of no dog and fines that go along with breaking the rules which you will be legally bound to abide by. Not preaching just sharing information incase you were not aware. It is VERY expensive to get caught... Anyway i wanted to discuss the potty training issue. we use those jump start pads as well for same reasons as other person(breeder suggested and he is too young to go out) and they work better than any brand I have tried. He will voluntarily go to them and if not on them around them, so th eeffort is there. I have started doing crate training to get some routine about him and that is working well. He will still get excited and just go wherever from time to time but progressis being made. Now , aside from the pee, what are your (you all's ) doggies doing about pooping? Ralphie likes to go right in the front door on the rug, and NEVER on a pee pad, perhaps because he wants privacy? Any comments? Oh and another thing, spot cleaning with enzyme cleaners and a Bissell Spot cleaner ( $37 at Lowe's or Linens N Things) Great investment, works like a charm so that there is no spot or smell.

02-09-2006, 08:31 PM	#24
michiko The Yorkie Sitter Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 2,350	I think some of you have a lot of learning to do from Michiko! Of course, I am kidding.... Anyway... I currently live in the apartment that doesn't allow dogs. (Now I kinda have permission to dog sit my friend's dogs sometime though..) My landlord doesn't want to have a dog because her and his past bad experience with tenants. A lot of people here know that I have been struggling with this no-pet policy for long long long time because I have been wanting a yorkie since last August. I think the threads are somewhere.. but I have posted a lot of questions about this issue, having a dog at no pet policy apartment. Oh believe me, a lot of people told me to just sneak the dog in or just say that I am watching friend's dog. But you know what.... the The fact is that I still don't have a yorkie and looking for an apartment to move in a couple months so I can have a yorkie. I even went to visit this wonderful breeder last month 7-8 hours away (drive) and left her available yorkie behind. I cried and cried like.. a little child. Do I regret that I didn't bring him back and hide at my apartment. No.. I don't regret.. I felt bad to the pup... but I know that I made a right decision. To tell you the truth, I am proud of myself. Some people who have read my posts before, they can tell you how crazy I am about yorkies.. but you know what.. as some people already said, it is not fair to the dog not to be who they are, it is just because.... you live in no pet apartment. Yorkies are small animals but they are smart if you train them correctly. I am not sure if you can train them if you have to hide them. Walking the dog will be really tough too. And I think the hardest thing is that you cannot show off your pup to neighbors!! Trust me... you would love to show off your pup!!!!! I do at least!! I think.. it is not gonna be really fun. When I move.. I probably end up paying double the rent with a dog. It is such a hassle to move the apartment that I have been living for 5 years... but you know what it is really important if I really want to provide a good home for a pup! I can understand how frustrating it is...when you want to get a yorkie and struggle with your current apartment pet policy!! It is important.. Maybe I should line up the reason. 1. It is not fair to the dog. 2. You will feel bad and probably miserable hiding a dog. 3. If your landlord finds out.. you will be in a big trouble.. or a small trouble. 4. When you try to finally move.... you will worry about rental referrence. (If your landlord found out that you broke the policy) 5. You might get fined and it might cost you more after all. 6. You have to worry when you walk the dog. 7. You cannot show off your dogs to neighbors. 8. If your dog doesn't get trained and damaged the property because their urine.. or.. anything else... It might cost you more.. 9. Your dogs might bark while you are away and will make you worry. 10. You will probably get a headche! I can think of more.. but .. this is my .. 2 yen of advice..I might sound harsh .. and I am sure these things are not something you want to hear.. ..I have experienced hearing all those things too from YT members.. but I have appreciated their feedback. I shouldn't be saying it.. but I will say it.. because... people need to hear what honest feedback is. See.. my situation now.. I cannot have a yorkie because I haven't moved to the apartment where I can have a dog. So you know what I have.. at my apartment and office? "STUFFED ANIMALS" that is what I have... because that is what I deserve right now. When I can provide the home that pup deserve.. then I will have a real one.. from the breeder whom I fell in love with!! It was good... researching time I spent... while.. I decided about the moving. __________________ Michiko (Ethicist) and Haruka(Fragrance of Spring Flowers) [/URL][/COLOR] Last edited by michiko; 02-09-2006 at 08:36 PM.

02-09-2006, 08:38 PM	#25
michiko The Yorkie Sitter Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 2,350	I realized that this apartment thing was not the main topic of the thread. But this is really tied to it since... whatever it is!!.. __________________ Michiko (Ethicist) and Haruka(Fragrance of Spring Flowers) [/URL][/COLOR]

02-10-2006, 04:47 AM	#28
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,306	Michiko I totally agree with you. I wanted a dog my whole life and my parents would not let me, then I went to college and had a dorm room, finally moved out to an apartment and still I waited. My husband and I finally were able to get a small townhouse and THEN we finally got Loki. We still aren't allowed to have a fence, but that hasn't really been a problem. Loki just goes outside on a leash. It actually makes him do his thing very quickly (on command) because he knows he's just out there to pee not explore. Walks are for exploring! __________________ Erin, Sammy & Loki Sewing patterns and tutorials @ www.dogundermydesk.com

02-09-2006, 08:55 PM	#26
gutu28 Lovin' the Cali kisses! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lawrenceville, Georgia Posts: 2,990	I really appreciate everyone spending time posting comments on this thread, even if it wasn't mine to begin with. I, however, am well aware of the situation I am putting myself in and the consequences that might come with it. There are also other details in MY particular case that makes it a little different, but I understand where everyone is coming from. I definitely dont want anyone to think that I'm getting a puppy just to be cooped up in a crate all day long cause Im going to be so scared someone is going to find out about her cause that is certainly NOT the case!

02-10-2006, 04:55 AM	#29
JUDY's2yorkies YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Logan Utah Posts: 280	Sorry but here goes,first the real issue is teching how to use a potty pad,I always start with soaking up pee pee with the pad,then they know where to go,second its not nice to lie,I have always found if your honest things always work out,tell the truth to the landlord, if they say no pets,then find a new apartment,are you being fair to anyone doing this,especially to the yorkie..who wants to live where you have to sneek and hide..yorkies are dogs,yes its had to remember that,but it is a fact

02-10-2006, 05:03 AM	#30
michiko The Yorkie Sitter Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 2,350	When I started wanting a yorkie... first thing I did was asking my landlord. Well I got "No" Some people get a lucky "okay.. that is fine..." So I got No.. .. My boyfriend asked her and his son about three times actually... because.. I didn't want to move this apartment with so many different reasons.. but.. I am glad that I finally made a decision... to move.. Feels really good! __________________ Michiko (Ethicist) and Haruka(Fragrance of Spring Flowers) [/URL][/COLOR]