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ArmaniMan · 05-03-2011, 02:51 PM

You are making your dog YELP! That means the dog is in pain. Pain should not be necessary to achieve desired results.

Ringo1 · 05-03-2011, 03:54 PM

The citronella collar worked for Ringo. It IS too big and heavy for Lucy though. I think it's out of lemon scent - but it doesn't matter. As soon as I put it on Ringo; he will quit barking.

We only use it at night when he wants to go out and bark all evening.

ziggy925 · 05-03-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

You are making your dog YELP! That means the dog is in pain. Pain should not be necessary to achieve desired results.

I just got off the phone with Petsafe. They gave me instructions for reducing the "charge" that Ruger gets. I placed a resistor on the collar and we'll see what happens. Now I'm looking for results without the "yelp." I'll report back. They told me I could add up to 3 resistors.

ziggy925 · 05-04-2011, 10:33 AM

FYI, I put the resistor on the collar and Ruger made some kind of noise, but it didn't sound like pain -- no yelping. He barked a few times and stopped and now he's curled up next to me very quiet. The next test will be when I bring him over my girlfriend's later. If it works then I think we're set.

With Ruger sometimes it's hard to tell what's coming out of his mouth, as he does tend to "sing" and talk a lot. No questioning a YELP however.

QuickSilver · 05-04-2011, 11:22 AM

FYI, the citronella collars are very unpleasant for dogs as well. It doesn't send out a gentle waft of lemony fresh scent. It sprays a very strong, unpleasant odor directly into the dog's nose.

I want to make sure everyone here has tried pennies in a can before resorting to collars. A squirt of water to the face can also help.

For two dogs barking, that seems like it would be simple enough to train, since it's a very specific, repeatable situation. If they start barking, immediately put them in time out for a minute. They'll figure it out.

Thor does know Quiet, but the difficulty I have is that it's a behavior chain: Thor barks, then he Quiets, then he gets a treat.

There are lots of small, low calorie treats to use if you are concerned about his weight.

sweet_tikka · 05-04-2011, 11:38 AM

I tried shaking pennies in a can, and Tikka thought I wanted to play. lol... she went over to the box that I got the can from and knocked it over and started pouncing on pop cans like a cat :P

Tikka has been great in her kennel the past couple days, I've just been letting her bark it out until she goes quiet and understands she's not gonna get hurt in there lol

tjdmom · 05-04-2011, 12:41 PM

I don't agree with shock collars either. I'm sorry, I just think that there are other things that you can do and with the right training and guidance, there is not need to hurt your dog this way. Would you shock a baby for crying when they have a wet diaper. I just think it's mean. One of the biggest mistakes we make is to say "no barking" every time our dog barks and then they think no barking means bark. You need to teach him bark and quiet and be consistent with your training. It just seems like so many dog owners and parents for that matter want to be lazy with things. Yes it takes work, maybe lots of work but I think your relationship with your pup could be so much better if you worked on that communication with him instead of making him fearful about his world by getting a shock everytime he barks. Come on... think about it. In my office we have a lot of metal file cabinets so I frequently get a shock when I go to open one. I hate that, I even touch other things now to avoid that tiny bit of shock from static electricity, I can't imagine doing it to any of my dogs on purpose.

gidget529 · 05-04-2011, 12:47 PM

I also don't agree with applying electrical shock to train a dog. Not just from a pain standpoint, but from a cardiology standpoint. The heart is basically a pump powered by an electrical impulse orginating in what's called the "SA node". This impulse causes the heart to contract or beat. Sometimes there are electrical conductivity problems in a heart that are not easily detectable and when you apply an electrical stimulus to the body from an outside source, it can aggravate an electrical conductivity problem of the heart - thus causing irregular heart rhythms. I realize it is not a large electrical stimulus; however, repeated electrical stimuli over time I would by wary of.

sweet_tikka · 05-04-2011, 01:05 PM

Do you agree with spanking a child though? I know I learned my lesson when I got spanked lol. It wasn't abuse, it just taught me a lesson. Although I'd rather use a scent collar vs. shock.

tjdmom · 05-04-2011, 02:10 PM

as a parent of 2 boys, I can't say that I thought spanking was particularly effective either. Maybe in some instances but not for the most part. I just think there are other ways to be more effective. Heck, when I punish my kids they say "why can't you just spank me?"

Ringo1 · 05-04-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

FYI, the citronella collars are very unpleasant for dogs as well. It doesn't send out a gentle waft of lemony fresh scent. It sprays a very strong, unpleasant odor directly into the dog's nose.

I want to make sure everyone here has tried pennies in a can before resorting to collars. A squirt of water to the face can also help.

For two dogs barking, that seems like it would be simple enough to train, since it's a very specific, repeatable situation. If they start barking, immediately put them in time out for a minute. They'll figure it out.

Thor does know Quiet, but the difficulty I have is that it's a behavior chain: Thor barks, then he Quiets, then he gets a treat.

There are lots of small, low calorie treats to use if you are concerned about his weight.

I swear I don't know how that collar even works. It's directly under Ringo's chin and neck - kind of above his regular collar. (and Ringo had a long chin) so how the scent even gets to his nose is beyond me. It appears that it would just do directly into his neck - under his chin.

My son, genius that he is, has put the collar around himself several times and tried to bark and he can never make the lemon scent come out.

So, there ain't no way this lemon scent is going directly up Ringo's nostrils; maybe I'd need a way more expensive collar for that to happen.

I'm going with gentle wafe of lemony scent (smells yummy to me) ~ IF that even happens.

I think maybe at first it must have worked - because I could smell lemon around Ringo's neck. But now, it's just the simple fact of putting the collar on; pretty sure the lemon part is broke.

Keeping in mind that Ringo is much larger, and tougher than Luce; AND MUCH MORE STUBBORN - I'd recommend it for a really problem barker.

Pennies in a can? Ha! Ringo scoffs at that.

They do scare Lucy.

Britster · 05-04-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo1

I swear I don't know how that collar even works. It's directly under Ringo's chin and neck - kind of above his regular collar. (and Ringo had a long chin) so how the scent even gets to his nose is beyond me. It appears that it would just do directly into his neck - under his chin.

My son, genius that he is, has put the collar around himself several times and tried to bark and he can never make the lemon scent come out.

So, there ain't no way this lemon scent is going directly up Ringo's nostrils; maybe I'd need a way more expensive collar for that to happen.

I'm going with gentle wafe of lemony scent (smells yummy to me) ~ IF that even happens.

I think maybe at first it must have worked - because I could smell lemon around Ringo's neck. But now, it's just the simple fact of putting the collar on; pretty sure the lemon part is broke.

Keeping in mind that Ringo is much larger, and tougher than Luce; AND MUCH MORE STUBBORN - I'd recommend it for a really problem barker.

Pennies in a can? Ha! Ringo scoffs at that.

They do scare Lucy.

My dad has considered a citronella collar for their JRT, Lilly. I must admit -- as patient as I am with dogs and very positive trainer. She is impossible. Like, nothing works for her. She could care less. When she is in a barking fit, you be kicking her and she probably wouldn't care. We've done coins in a can, tried the treat method, squirt her with water (she actually loves it and tries to drink it... she's like 'thanks! you gave me some water! now back to barking!)

So I can appreciate how hard it is to work with such a difficult dog and having to resort so such methods. It's not something I like and I think there are better methods... like, my dad and stepmom NEVER took the time to train Lilly from the get-go so I am sure a lot of it is her being stuck in her ways now that she has gotten away with it for so long. She doesn't really have a bond with anyone in particular in the house, she's kind of just a family dog who has never ever been trained properly.

manolos mom · 05-05-2011, 01:21 AM

Why not just use a bark silencer? I dont get how anyone could put a shock collar around their necks. This is so cruel. Try this instead.

http://www.ultimatebarkcontrol.com/ds_pro.htm

Ringo1 · 05-05-2011, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster

My dad has considered a citronella collar for their JRT, Lilly. I must admit -- as patient as I am with dogs and very positive trainer. She is impossible. Like, nothing works for her. She could care less. When she is in a barking fit, you be kicking her and she probably wouldn't care. We've done coins in a can, tried the treat method, squirt her with water (she actually loves it and tries to drink it... she's like 'thanks! you gave me some water! now back to barking!)

So I can appreciate how hard it is to work with such a difficult dog and having to resort so such methods. It's not something I like and I think there are better methods... like, my dad and stepmom NEVER took the time to train Lilly from the get-go so I am sure a lot of it is her being stuck in her ways now that she has gotten away with it for so long. She doesn't really have a bond with anyone in particular in the house, she's kind of just a family dog who has never ever been trained properly.

Oh, that part just cracked me up! It IS Ringo all the way. Westies are a very stubborn breed I think. My Ringo is quite the HANDFUL. Nothing at all like Lucy.

Another person tells me their Westie is soo laid back and hates to be outside and I just can't believe it.

Ringo would seriously live outside if we put a doghouse out there; he just likes it. And he would be barking the whole, entire time!

Thanks for making me smile this morning. We still love Ringo despite all his really bad habits

Deuce · 05-06-2011, 07:08 AM

I was saying the DAP for putting next to the kennel to assist in calming when they are put in for the night. It works for some dogs but not all. It won't stop them from barking all together, but you'll probably get a lot less whining at night.

For barking, I just put Rizzo in a time-out if he started up in the house. It worked wonders, now he just "low growls" if he thinks he sees/hears something, and barks when we're playing or if something jumps out at him. Outside...we're still working on. He barks and barks and barks at people he's met 1,000+ times, he doesn't seem to understand that I realize they're in the yard and that him barking from 10 feet away isn't going to change it. He is great when inside, but when he's outside he is a little beast! Trying to figure that one out, how to get that to stop, but I won't resort to a shock collar. I haven't tried pennies in a can yet, but I'm not sure how affective it'll be outdoors. Seriously considering a water gun now that its nice and warm out....

05-03-2011, 02:51 PM	#16
ArmaniMan I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 3,895	You are making your dog YELP! That means the dog is in pain. Pain should not be necessary to achieve desired results. __________________ Armani & Chloe

05-03-2011, 03:54 PM	#17
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	The citronella collar worked for Ringo. It IS too big and heavy for Lucy though. I think it's out of lemon scent - but it doesn't matter. As soon as I put it on Ringo; he will quit barking. We only use it at night when he wants to go out and bark all evening. __________________ Mommy to Lucy, Ringo, and Matthew

05-04-2011, 11:22 AM	#20
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	FYI, the citronella collars are very unpleasant for dogs as well. It doesn't send out a gentle waft of lemony fresh scent. It sprays a very strong, unpleasant odor directly into the dog's nose. I want to make sure everyone here has tried pennies in a can before resorting to collars. A squirt of water to the face can also help. For two dogs barking, that seems like it would be simple enough to train, since it's a very specific, repeatable situation. If they start barking, immediately put them in time out for a minute. They'll figure it out. Thor does know Quiet, but the difficulty I have is that it's a behavior chain: Thor barks, then he Quiets, then he gets a treat. There are lots of small, low calorie treats to use if you are concerned about his weight. __________________ If you love something, set it free. Unless it's an angry tiger.

05-04-2011, 11:38 AM	#21
sweet_tikka YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Peace River, Alberta Posts: 322 Blog Entries: 3	I tried shaking pennies in a can, and Tikka thought I wanted to play. lol... she went over to the box that I got the can from and knocked it over and started pouncing on pop cans like a cat :P Tikka has been great in her kennel the past couple days, I've just been letting her bark it out until she goes quiet and understands she's not gonna get hurt in there lol __________________ Tikka&Pooter Dogs>Other Humans. Any day.

05-04-2011, 01:05 PM	#24
sweet_tikka YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Peace River, Alberta Posts: 322 Blog Entries: 3	Do you agree with spanking a child though? I know I learned my lesson when I got spanked lol. It wasn't abuse, it just taught me a lesson. Although I'd rather use a scent collar vs. shock. __________________ Tikka&Pooter Dogs>Other Humans. Any day.

05-04-2011, 10:33 AM	#19
ziggy925 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Aspen, CO, US Posts: 544	FYI, I put the resistor on the collar and Ruger made some kind of noise, but it didn't sound like pain -- no yelping. He barked a few times and stopped and now he's curled up next to me very quiet. The next test will be when I bring him over my girlfriend's later. If it works then I think we're set. With Ruger sometimes it's hard to tell what's coming out of his mouth, as he does tend to "sing" and talk a lot. No questioning a YELP however.

05-04-2011, 12:41 PM	#22
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	I don't agree with shock collars either. I'm sorry, I just think that there are other things that you can do and with the right training and guidance, there is not need to hurt your dog this way. Would you shock a baby for crying when they have a wet diaper. I just think it's mean. One of the biggest mistakes we make is to say "no barking" every time our dog barks and then they think no barking means bark. You need to teach him bark and quiet and be consistent with your training. It just seems like so many dog owners and parents for that matter want to be lazy with things. Yes it takes work, maybe lots of work but I think your relationship with your pup could be so much better if you worked on that communication with him instead of making him fearful about his world by getting a shock everytime he barks. Come on... think about it. In my office we have a lot of metal file cabinets so I frequently get a shock when I go to open one. I hate that, I even touch other things now to avoid that tiny bit of shock from static electricity, I can't imagine doing it to any of my dogs on purpose.

05-04-2011, 12:47 PM	#23
gidget529 Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 3,462	I also don't agree with applying electrical shock to train a dog. Not just from a pain standpoint, but from a cardiology standpoint. The heart is basically a pump powered by an electrical impulse orginating in what's called the "SA node". This impulse causes the heart to contract or beat. Sometimes there are electrical conductivity problems in a heart that are not easily detectable and when you apply an electrical stimulus to the body from an outside source, it can aggravate an electrical conductivity problem of the heart - thus causing irregular heart rhythms. I realize it is not a large electrical stimulus; however, repeated electrical stimuli over time I would by wary of.

05-04-2011, 02:10 PM	#25
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	as a parent of 2 boys, I can't say that I thought spanking was particularly effective either. Maybe in some instances but not for the most part. I just think there are other ways to be more effective. Heck, when I punish my kids they say "why can't you just spank me?"

05-05-2011, 01:21 AM	#28
manolos mom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,982	Why not just use a bark silencer? I dont get how anyone could put a shock collar around their necks. This is so cruel. Try this instead. http://www.ultimatebarkcontrol.com/ds_pro.htm __________________ Ethical Breeders follow and support http://www.ytca.org/ Last edited by manolos mom; 05-05-2011 at 01:25 AM.

05-06-2011, 07:08 AM	#30
Deuce No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,717 Blog Entries: 1	I was saying the DAP for putting next to the kennel to assist in calming when they are put in for the night. It works for some dogs but not all. It won't stop them from barking all together, but you'll probably get a lot less whining at night. For barking, I just put Rizzo in a time-out if he started up in the house. It worked wonders, now he just "low growls" if he thinks he sees/hears something, and barks when we're playing or if something jumps out at him. Outside...we're still working on. He barks and barks and barks at people he's met 1,000+ times, he doesn't seem to understand that I realize they're in the yard and that him barking from 10 feet away isn't going to change it. He is great when inside, but when he's outside he is a little beast! Trying to figure that one out, how to get that to stop, but I won't resort to a shock collar. I haven't tried pennies in a can yet, but I'm not sure how affective it'll be outdoors. Seriously considering a water gun now that its nice and warm out....