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Originally Posted by TwoforFun (Post 3144742)

It is heartbreaking, I hope that an owner that needs help not only search in one resource. There are plenty of resources out there and hopefully if they aren't able to find the help there looking for in YT they find it elsewhere. Even thought we might not hear a happy ending with this story I'm still hopefull there will be one.

YT might be controversial but even with so many different point of views, many here are willing to lend a hand. For those who tried to rescue Mindy, Thank you.

I sure those that tried accept you Thanks for their efforts.

JL

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3144613)

You are not even kidding. Sometimes when someone tries to dictate how things "are" or "should be" and how one should conduct "themselves", I just think to myself, "sista, if you knew HALF of what has happened here over the years..." Truly clueless. And I find it so amusing that they think they are the first ones to ever 'enlighten' everyone...like they are the magical "key" that has been missing from YT for all these years.

I've seen countless people ripped off, sold items and cookbooks they were never sent or never received, I've seen sob stories sold about sick or rescued dogs only to find out after generous donations that it was all a farce. Been on the phone in all hours of the night with panicked owner while their girl is whelping when I really want to strangle them for being irresponsible. And, I've seen others do the same. I've watched people and friends here and their loved ones die only to watch other members make a public joke out of it. I've had pictures of my kid taken off here only to have them returned to me through emailed threats. I've been stalked online, seen others stalked online, seen threats of lawsuits, been on the receiving end of threats and actually seen some real lawsuits take place. Have seen long time, respected members exposed as horrible breeders, have seen admissions of animal cruelty, a member who had people online panicked as she threatened to kill herself. And just about anything else you can imagine. So have loads of other long time members here.

So please, do NOT fool yourself into thinking you hold all the answers and that you are going to come here and "teach" anyone a darn thing about how "things should be" and don't flatter yourself into thinking that your antics impress anyone. The ONLY person you are fooling is yourself.

I sorry was this directed at me ??
This was not is not the point of this thread it was to see if we could make a joint face of rescue for YT and if so how.

JL

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3145126)

I always thought that was pretty much went on between the different rescues on the board. We always seems to talk to each other and try to work to the very best outcome of the pup. :)

Well then you batter add me in although you and I did talk cause I around to stay.

For the ones that are biters and tough that need help before they go home.

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145142)

I sorry was this directed at me ??
This was not is not the point of this thread it was to see if we could make a joint face of rescue for YT and if so how.

JL

No she was not talking about you at all :)

Rescues have a lot of support on YT. We all support each other and we all step up whenever needed. I think that just about ever rescue that comes to the YT boards would do whatever we could to help out the others. None of us are looking for pats on the back but at the same time we do not appreciate slaps in the face either.

I'm just catching up on all of this too. Most if not all of this was being handled and IMHO pretty well. There is just a lot of frustration that good intentions were turned into something totally the opposite.

Even after all of what has been said and done I would still be willing to help Mindy. Call me crazy but really it IS all about the dogs and nothing else.

I guess back to your original question of a joint force, it seems that when something is happening sometimes immediate action is needed. I've sent more PM offering to help them pretty much anyone knows about. Whether is it dealing with training or serious rescue issues. I'm always willing to help. :)

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3145154)

Just wanted to say me too, At the drop of a hat if she said she was willing to give her up that I step back or PM you and go ok what move next. all I needed was proof she wanted help and had her. If she put it in writing so I could start a plan for her.

Just add me into the loop when you need help at my end of the skill set or area. I'd go help for free a dog if it keeps them in a home and safe.

That is also what I saw was we a joint we had great move on this and it all came apart for some strange reason and I am totally amazed by it.
I did not think I under mind you I just tossed in another possible option when it started go side ways.
Thanks for sharing with me what you know during and after the fact and I hope we can work again together for the sake of a dog.

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145119)

Thanks on that as I know you know it was not me that had come out of any wood work nor did I take this at all lightly nor not talk to others about it nor withdraw without good reason. I know you are aware of what I can possiblly bring to the table for the most part in my skill set.

I was asked in a while ago to help and I continued right up to the games got going.

What I am after in this post is do we form a joint YT group of rescues to do a one voice here is what can be offered. We hold a quick chat meeting and see who is where and what we can put on the table or help as and when a dog comes up and go from there with one voice.

That is the reason I posted this thread and any finger point back stabbing crude can stop.... BACK to rescue work.

JL

All of the rescue people I know are great to work with! I am sure you are as well. I just have never met you.

What I believe you are not understanding is that we cannot stop the non rescuers from doing what they do behind the scenes. Oh...and I do NOT mean that all people who are not rescuers have no clue. The majority of people on this thread right now have a huge clue. It is the minority that is causing the issues...and they are making themselves loud enough to try and convince themselves that they are the majority. They cannot grasp that in most places majority rules...not the other way around. They want to fix what is not broken...they are actually breaking what is not broken. So sad.

This has happened many times....and honestly in the past with different players who are no longer on YT. The finger pointing is NOT the rescuers pointing at each other...it is the non rescuers who think they need to tell us how evil we are. I have been on the receiving end of some mighty nasty comments. Someone PMd me last week to tell me...shame on me for saving Roriee because she will need to be put to sleep and I have made her suffer. I did not lose sleep over it because I know the truth.. .... the problem is not what they think of ME...it is the weird things they are saying BEHIND THE SCENES and they DO sabotage rescuers in doing this. If you can find a way to stop that, we would have no issues. It will not stop until these people stop and I don't see that happening. Not exactly sure what their needs are, but they must be trying to fulfill them here at the pups' expense. Just very disturbing.

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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3144401)

I don't understand. Why was your offer to help withdrawn so quickly?

Nothing was done fast nor lightly and what was in play in the back ground you do not see and will not see.

When one can not even offer up a vet number to let me see if the dog if this just aggressive or other things are happening.OR put anything in writing to let me see waht is going on. It makes my wonder.
Although my offered got pulled there are still many others that are willing and able and the other options would fill the need better.

When someone starts quoting that shipping a dog will cost 300 dollars and I know very well I can ship 5 for that and have something tells me something is very wrong. I work with show dogs and ship for shows when it is safe to do so for heat or cold or distance.

All I needed was straight answers and I could have sent a car to get that girl and drive her here to me. I can do home to her in 18 hours as I have and if that was what needed to happen I would have but first I want honest replies to questions asked.

I do not have the time to play games nor am I willing. I have at anyone time anywhere from 1 to 15 dogs under foot and requests for help.. no that is not rescue dogs but for this girl for the time she needed help she have had a nice home.

Having work through my girls tough times and keep a big guy from being put down and working with him until he got a nice home and his CGN, I thought I had the skill set and the time to help.
Offer honest made and one I will make again to help a dog work through its concerns until it can find its own forever family.

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145132)

You got it the point of this thread was to see what to do better next time.

JL

It is a noble goal. I just don't see how you can meet it with the undercurrent what it is. They will promise you the moon and the stars and tell you how wonderful you are....and the next minute you are the devil and they are trashing you. It is just downright freaky.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3145189)

Wait someone tells a rescuer they are evil...Ok totally lost by that although I have had people tell me I should have put my girl down long ago but they do not know her or me to say that.
That is wrong.

OK so I missed game playing other then the person wishing to place the pup.
SO silly and a Pup is the one that gets hurt.

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145190)

Trust me, I know EXACTLY what you went through. I had my head twisted around a couple of times by the same person.

I am telling you...I am REALLY beginning to wonder about the whole story. Seriously!

I WISH I had saved the PMs. There were days that I wondered if I was perhaps talking to two different people and I am not kidding.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3145195)

Oh I get it and it is just freaky I just really had hoped what I was begining to think I saw was just bad eye sight and not reality.

Plus sometimes just waving it in faces that we see and now understand and a pup was lost makes them step away from the next one...ok I know I have bad eyes and big dreams.

JL

There are private messages and emails that go around that sabotage these things. That's all. None of this happened because rescuers were pointing fingers.

I guess you kind of missed it all. Just suffice it to say there are other players who work behind the scenes quite frequently on YT because they have zero respect for rescue. Don't know WHY they have such an axe to grind...I do have ideas, but honestly it is not even worth me spending a whole lot of time trying to figure it out. I simply accept that there is a problem and do the best I can to work around it. It definitely makes is so much harder to help the pups.

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145206)

One thing we all might try to do is to play the same game these people are playing.

Go to PMs and not let them know that rescue is trying to help. I honestly think some people cruise these boards looking for a problem and looking to bash the rescuers. Not kidding when I say this. It has happened SO many times.

Maybe we could just all agree not to make any of it public from here on out. That might be a good plan. A royal PIA but if it saves a pup it is all worth it. The attention seekers will not have a public arena then.

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3145211)

Or one of us runs a front on the board and deflects while the rest of us work out of sight and get it done....????
Just thinking but I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145214)

I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

ding ding ding ding! we have a winner

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145214)

Or one of us runs a front on the board and deflects while the rest of us work out of sight and get it done....????
Just thinking but I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

JL

You are too funny ;)

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3145221)

You are too funny ;)

Well I can be one right ugly witch when needed and I will back up and fight hard but I can also when all is said and done laugh at myself and try to lighten it all up.
WE can not fix everyone or everything and sometimes we have to admit defeat but we can choice to cry and I have and we can try and learn which I just did and thanks and then I laugh and shake it off the best I can and move on.

JL

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145214)

Or one of us runs a front on the board and deflects while the rest of us work out of sight and get it done....????
Just thinking but I still think they need to just GROW UP AND THINK OF THE DOG!

JL

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3145218)

ding ding ding ding! we have a winner

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3145229)

Exactly!

Thanks Guys I started this thread for understanding.
I know I had missed something and when I know what i missed and where I failed I learn to do things better.

I wish to say thanks.

JL

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3145189)

:thumbup:

I also think a very similar thing happens when you post about a bad experience with a breeder. Then for gosh knows what reason, somebody on here with no knowledge of the situation, no personal experience with that breeder goes running to the breeder and letting them know they are being talked about; thus getting some sort of kick out of getting everybody riled up:mad:

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145234)

Thanks Guys I started this thread for understanding.
I know I had missed something and when I know what i missed and where I failed I learn to do things better.

I wish to say thanks.

JL

Oh, thank YOU! We all have the same sad feelings about little Mindy and wish things were different.

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145142)

I sorry was this directed at me ??

No, no...it wasn't. :)

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3145358)

No, no...it wasn't. :)

Have you arrived at yoru vacation destination and have you visited with Eeyore yet? :happythx:

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145234)

Thanks Guys I started this thread for understanding.
I know I had missed something and when I know what i missed and where I failed I learn to do things better.

I wish to say thanks.

JL

Thank you and so glad that we are all on the same page. This was a great idea a lot of people have come together to do nothing more then help. If most if not all are on the same page it will be less harmful in the future when a few try to derail the next rescue attempt. Like I've said prior we are all in this for the same reasons. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 3145234)

Thanks Guys I started this thread for understanding.
I know I had missed something and when I know what i missed and where I failed I learn to do things better.

I wish to say thanks.

JL

Thank YOU for starting it - there is so much knowledge out there for us all to learn what we should and should not be doing. YT is a great forum filled with great people!!!

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3145370)

Nicely put :thumbup::thumbup:

I would first like to say that if this is found inappropriate by ADMIN please remove this post. But I would like to add that obviously Karla is still watching this thread and reading what is being said.

I just received an email from Karla and believe it or not she asked that I post my last correspondance with her so that everyone is able to read what she said to me.

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Your funny... Why don't you post my last email to you on the board Jodi.. Afraid people will find out the truth about you? LOL

So against my better judgement here it is. Unfortunalty, I have had to remove several of the colorful words that she used while describing me....so use your imagination and fill in the blanks. :)

She then added this as well and I guess would like you to all see this as well:

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By the way, whoever reported me, you just put Mindy to death as they do not release biters here, they are put down. And with the freedom of information act I will be able to see the report and who it came from and I WILL sue. I have just gotten off the phone with our family attorney.

I hope you are all happy

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Jodi,

WTF??!! You make me sick! I was in contact you for barely ONE day.. You took it upon yourself, without my asking or permission to find Mindy a "rescue"..

Then you post nasty **** about me and then say s*** like this below (I am responding to your latest remarks on YT, see below).. Be nice to the owner and then f*** 'em say what I want.. ANd you think that makes you special? It makes you a rotten, horrible excuse for a human being.

ANd then you all blame Mary.. Jodi, the ONLY person who is at fault for "sabotaging" anything here is YOU!! Yes YOU!! You pushed the wrong person.. I was willing to give her to this local rescue, you tell her I am the problem not the dog.. You don't know jack s*** about me or Mindy so you have absolutely NO right to be making assumptions or comments about me or Mindy.

You belittled me, you accused me of stalking you on the boards, you and others debated about my damn power bill which had nothing to do with ANYTHING! And then saying I must have a huge kennel to use so much power.. B***H! It was for 2 months in a state with high everything, and wet, cold temperatures most of the year.

Then you post an email I told you NOT to share on the boards, and I am supposed to trust you? HAHA..NOT! You lost me when I got the email from Laura saying she cannot take a dog like Mindy.. I tell you and turn it and make it my fault...You have some serious issues putting animals before humans..Treating people like dirt on your shoes, like we don't matter.

You should have just put me in touch with these so called rescues and let ME talk to them about MY dog instead of giving your version of what you think is the situation.

I also never said my "YT friends" were helping... Yes I do have some very wonderful people helping me and supporting me through this and yes some are friends I have made on YT. But NOBODY slithered their way into break up you little rescue party. Nobody made me walk away from you except YOU...And your little play friends! They also had a hand in turning me completely off.

Mary didn't even know until she posted yesterday telling you guys off.. Then you post you were told to f*** off and let everyone think it was Mary who said it to you when it was ME! You set me up, and you made Mary the fall guy. I was against you all getting your hands on Roriee too.. Randi is a friend and you guys bullied her into it just like you tried with me, but I am stronger.. You picked on a woman with cancer.....You people remind me of cancer actually...

You sit there and lie on the boards about how you were helping me, and you leave SO MUCH out! And now to start up another thread and participate it when I am not there to defend myself, that is cowardly of ALL of you! You think yokiemother is so great, LMAO.. She gave me advice so off the wall even Linda had a problem with it.. She also PM'd me telling me to put her to sleep if I need to. She also put all you guys down for your crazy ideas and tried to get me to drug Mindy among other things.

Nobody manipulated me Jodi, I do not allow people to manipulate me..I know ALL the tricks. I was on my own holding a job and apartment in Seattle at the age of 16! I can see right through people like you and Linda.

You and your old cronies need to just back the f*** OFF! You will never bully me into giving Mindy to anyone YOU know. And you will never know what is happening after this email with Mindy. Had you been kinder and more compassionate to me and my situation I might have been more open to you. But I wasn't just about to hand her over to anyone and especially a so called rescue who I couldn't even talk to on the phone.

You can call every shelter in this state and you will never hear of her being turned into one. I would put her to sleep before sending her to a nasty shelter.

I actually found a trainer a couple of miles from me who says she can help Mindy. She is coming to my home next week. I have seen video's of many of her sessions with dogs like mindy and worse and I believe she can help. And if she is able to help Mindy and we are able to re-home her, the trainer will work with the new owners as well to help her settle in. And no I am not going to give you the name of facility and trainer. It is just none of your business..

You have nothing vested in Mindy except what you think is your business because you and Linda are the big bad dog stealing, people bullying "rescuers"... I am the one connected and bonded with Mindy and "I" know what is best for her and I will be the one to make the decisions. And that just drives you and Linda nuts that you cannot get me to fold.

Just remember the injustice done here was done by you and the others in your little gang are the ones who pushed me away from accepting any "help" from you... Shipping her to RI..your nuts, that is near a 10 hour flight with layovers. That would traumatize her more then you can imagine.

My vet said NO way should a dog like her who has gone through what she has and with the anxiety she has should be shipped anywhere! But did you think of that? No, all you can think and say is "we gotta get her away from that woman"!! Like I am some evil force beating the s**t out of her.. So my vet gave me the name and number to this trainer..

You have made me more determined to keep her, so I thank you for that. So from here on out you will not know what is going on, whatever happens only my vet, my friend and I will know what is going on or what happens with Mindy.

Do NOT ever contact me again Jodi!!! I am done with you so Do Not to waste your breath because this is the last time I will respond to anything you have to say!
Karla

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*I was communicating via email for days with her and up until this afternoon at 3:15 PM she was still talking with me. She also gave me her phone number. But someone took it upon themselves to once again go behind our backs as a rescue and manipulate the situation. I've emailed Karla this evening and there is still an offer on the table. She has not responded.

Believe me there have been plenty of dogs that have been saved on this board from YHR. It has only been recently that someone if throwing monkey wrenches into the equation and undermining what we have tried to accomplish. Even though others have asked this person to back off she still insists on causing problems.

Nothing will be accomplished with this type of behavior going on behind the scenes to intentionally fill peoples heads with falsehoods.

Mindy as far as I know is still alive but after what has happened this afternoon I seriously doubt that she will have any further communication with me.

This all was a terrible injustice to a poor defenseless dog that didn't ask to be put into this situation.

I do know how to handle myself when it comes to rescues. If you remember I was able to get Teagan surrendered. I even hugged the woman when all was said and done. No on ever thought that would happen. But then again that was long before we had the type of interference that has occurred the last 2 times that we have tried to pursaude an owner to surrender. Roriee's owner was contacted accusations where put into her head about members of YHR and now Mindy's owner is saying that her "real YT friends" are helping her.

Like I said, the offer is still out there and Alexandra Morgan is willing to take Mindy and rehabilitate her. There are offers of payment for the shipping from WA to RI and even an offer to pick her up from the airport and transport her. I have not heard back.

Ok. She had her final say. I hope all goes well with Mindy.

So mad! Just love the kind of person who blames everybody else. This lady all but stated she was putting this dog down, now it's whomever reported hers fault. And she is going to sue whoever reported her? I don't believe anything illegal occurred there.
As far as I have read, you never said Mary told you to .... off. I never got that impression. And now she is saying oh I can't fly the dog against the advice of my vet. Ummm, that wasn't what you said before, what she stated was it was going to cost too much money so she wasn't going to do it.
Lady, take some responsibility. If this dog is put down, it is all on you! Don't try blaming those that tried to help you!
I am just sickened, though sadly not surprised.
I am just shaking my head and walking away......

Thank you Megansmomma for all your effort.

Karla~I am going to state this right here and now in the public forum. DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN!

I will not tolerate your abusive emails and I will no longer respond to you. Let me repeat this one more time...........

DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN!