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12-15-2009, 07:53 AM | #1 |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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| Rewards and re-direction: when to hold Maximo likes to do naughty things then turn around and sit nicely for a reward of either food or attention. Right after he gets what he wants, he does something naughty. If I withhold the reward, is there a risk that the good behavior will not be reinforced? If I give the reward, I worry that I am encouraging the cycle of bad-good-bad-good. For instance, Maximo will go on a little barking bender for no reason (and he knows better) and then come and sit nicely in front of me. When he gets what he wants, he often will bark at me and jaunt off as if to say "fooled you!" |
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12-17-2009, 01:09 AM | #2 | |
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If he knows to sit when asked he should be off food reward and only get a mild verbal good boy. He is using you. Once a cue is in place a behaviour should be put on random reinficment fast or it becomes bribery. Only way he gets a treat is after he does a cue that you ask for not one he tosses at you to get a treat. JL
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12-21-2009, 07:05 AM | #3 | |
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The "reward" I referred to is when I pick up a piece of kibble from his bowl and hand it to him, or I put the kibble in his Kong -- he isn't getting any extra food or a special treat. The reward is really attention. My problem is that he will do something naughty, then turn around and start the sitting game (seeking an affirmation?), and as soon as he gets the attention he seeks, Max will do something naughty as if to say, "Ha ha." He is being an imp, but it is irritating -- especially when the naughty thing is a little barking bender. My question is, how do I break the cycle? Max is tenacious. Do I ignore him when he starts the sitting game? | |
12-21-2009, 07:12 AM | #4 |
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| yes, ignore it when he begins it only reward it when you initiate it. |
12-22-2009, 11:17 PM | #5 |
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| I think I said ignore him unless you ask for the sit. Just not in those words. If you do not say sit then do not pay any attention to it when he does it. Only when you ask does he get any kind of reward attention food or amy thing. JL
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12-23-2009, 08:23 AM | #6 |
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| Sounds to me like you might be Reinforcing the Exact behavior you're trying to stop These little guys are smart They very quickly know ... when I do this ... I'm going to get a treat If your dog is barking and then COMES to you ... ignore him Or else he's going to think Hey I bark and I get a reward .... NICE
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12-30-2009, 09:20 AM | #7 | |
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My innocent attempt to train Max not to bark excessively worked at first and he stopped barking. Then, out of nowhere, he started this devil/angel routine. He is always devising new games and rituals, and he does a lot of role playing -- thankfully, 97% of it is good or desirable behavior. Following your advice, I have been ignoring his sitting/curtsies after his naughty performances. Max has responded with a lot of pouting, but things are slowly improving. He is such a good pup in general -- perfect potty habits, never bothers us when we eat, waits patiently for me to wake up in the morning, never damaged anything and isn't possessive of toys or food -- hence, it is a challenge for me to be firm when correcting bad behavior. | |
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