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11-13-2009, 01:26 AM | #1 |
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| "Because dogs don't listen when they are excited." Several weeks ago I inadvertently stumbled upon a group of dog owners that had signed up for “Street Safety“ classes led by a supposedly “certified” trainer. Too bad that the certification in question was awarded by Brad Pattison*. A man with no formal education on the subject and whose methods have been criticized by several organizations including the IPDTA. "Because dogs don't listen when they are excited." That's what the woman leading an unfortunate group of dog owners said when asked 'why don't you just teach the dog to sit?' as a solution to a dog that jumps up during greetings. But isn't that why we train our dogs, so they LISTEN? Even when excited? But let's go back to the beginning. On our usual Saturday walk to our off-leash park, I see a group by the baseball field moving around. From the chaotic and haphazard nature of their movements it was clear that these people had no idea what they were doing. The dogs were being manhandled in every possible way. As soon as I got close to hear the leader of the group, I recognized the unique combination of misinformation and alarmist stories. There was no doubt, this woman was one of those Pattison clones. I had unknowingly walked into the hilariously named 'Street Safety Seminar" being led by a Brad Pattison “graduate” C.E.T.** A woman in neon pink jacket that was 2 sizes too small. I would later learn her name.*** I was already familiar with the error filled rhetoric and violent style of Brad Pattison but seeing it in action was something else. Back to the dogs that don't listen when they are excited. So, since a Pattison trainer can't get an excited dog to SIT, what did she suggest? Shoving the dog downwards and to "hit them like a drum" (direct quote) when they try to jump. So, her advice: Don't train 'em. Hit 'em. Why? She told us that “Force is the only language dogs understand” which is direct quote from Pattison. This was only one small sample of the idiocies perpetrated on the unsuspecting group of novice owners, most of her advice on other issues was equally foolhardy and counter productive. She took a small dog to show the group how to handle a dog that won’t recall. She started pulling and he put on the brakes. At this moment I could no longer keep quiet when I shouted that by pulling the dog she was engaging his opposition reflex, she looked but pretended not to hear. However this little Yorkie had more spunk that she expected, a few moments later she changed to a dog she COULD manhandle. That’s how the demonstration ended. One segment included how to walk with the dog and she suggested to “Karate chop” the leash when it got tight, and to alleviate any concerns she told the crowd, “it’s not the force, it’s the speed”. I guess she never took physics. Force is mass times acceleration which means that fast IS hard. She took the hapless Yorkie for another round (revenge?) and chopped so hard (I mean fast) that he was sent flying off to the side. She followed this up with an “attention” exercise. For those not familiar with the Pattison method, this is where he runs with a leashed dog into a tree or lamppost, changing directions at the last possible moment. If the dog is lucky it is only jerked back when the obstacle comes between it and its handler, a few of the dogs were rammed right into the trees. A curious thing is that she (the instructor) recounts the same apocryphal stories about the dangers of ‘treats’ making dogs aggressive that Pattison has told hundreds of times. Besides being blatant lies, she also tells them from a first person perspective as if she had witnessed them. After this the crowd moved to another location where she took a poor Labrador type dog and started working the leash again. In less that a minute the dog was jerked back about a dozen times. Several times his from paws came off the ground. I was dumbstruck that any owner could stand by while their dog suffered such treatment. And even more so to see that all the owners were treating their dogs in the same manner. Interestingly, she would ‘celebrate’ quite loudly each time she jerked the dog. This may have served a dual purpose; to prevent the dog from shutting down and to distract those who witness the abuse. The class ended with a so-called “agility” course. This was another excuse to drag their dogs around over obstacles. This time she took another dog (chihuahua mix?) and hanged it as she tried to pull it over a large log. The rest of the owners also tried to pull their dogs over the logs, park tables and benches with various levels of success. Again, it seemed that they were all ignorant of the opposition reflex. And that’s what takes place in a ‘Street Safety” class. I saw little safety for the dogs, zero training and a lot of misinformation. A lot of tucked tails, backswept ears, gaze aversion, yawning, and licking; some dogs even downed after being jerked. All their attempts at appeasement were ignored. It’s a tragedy that TV has given Pattison and his trainer cronies such air of respectability and competence. The possess neither; with good marketing and appealing memes they’ve convinced thousands of people that * Brad Pattison is a Canadian trainer and host of a show called ‘At the end of my leash, aka In the Dog house’ His methods are similar to those of Cesar Millan but without any of his likable qualities. He takes an even more extreme use of punishment and shows an over-preoccupation with “dominance” He also seems overly obsessed that dogs are trying to subvert him to become (in his words) “alpha” A few years ago the IPDTA came out with a position statement against his methods. ** In Canada, the C.E.T. symbol us legally protected for use by certified members of the Canadian Council of Technician and Technologists. Pattison has no more right to give out "CET"s anymore than he has the right to bestow PhDs. *** I’m not sure about the rules regarding names but she has a website advertising her shoddy services. |
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11-14-2009, 06:28 AM | #2 |
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| Who would take their dogs to this kind of trainer? She sounds idiotic to me. Probably new dog owners who are trying to do the right thing and ended up with a trainer like this. Now they will think this is the proper way to handle your dog. Sad for everyone. |
11-14-2009, 06:50 AM | #3 |
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| Wow, how sad. It has been proven over and over that dogs respond best to positive behavioral interventions. Dogs do not learn from being hit. In fact, you should NEVER hit a dog for ANY REASON whatsoever. The only thing you teach it is to not trust a human hand. That can lead to fear aggression or distrust. As an aside, a yorkie should never be leash corrected either.
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11-14-2009, 02:37 PM | #4 | |
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11-14-2009, 09:30 PM | #5 |
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| Oh we have been HATING this fool since august! at least! check out this thread! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/tra...te-thread.html
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11-17-2009, 08:29 PM | #6 |
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| LOL..I have meet that man in person and failed to hire him for my dog. Got scolded by a supposed trainer/Postive teacher for saying he was not good until she saw him and just about had a fit cause he was not what she thought. Follow lived in Calgary and filmed here too. Welcome to the world of trainers that do not have a clue do not care to get a clue and think roughing up a dog is the only way to train. Those that the learning stopped some where in the last 20 to 40 years and they just can not catch a clue that just like the phones they use and the car they drive has changed so has the way dogs should be looked at. Been at trying to educate the diffence for the last 6 and a little years. You will most likely end up with a massive headach as all to many will not look at the scinece end of this and LEARN that dogs are not wolves, wolves are not dog and no dogs are not out to take over the world. They will trot out the science does not know everything and it works on my dog or well they know they have done it for years....Yup wrong. Anyway sorry you had to go through that and see that. Why we run what we do in our puppy contract, it clearly states we take dogs home if you train rough and do not soicalize and no we do not return your money. Abuse a dog you loose the dog. You may want to google Beyond Ceser and have a nice long read of what. JL
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11-21-2009, 09:22 PM | #7 |
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