It's REALLLY BAD

[jfeefamily]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

So where is he crated? you said both
We had three doors closed and a TV on.and I could still hear him.
We have him crated in the bedroom next to our bed.sounds to me like hes in the crate to much.
being hes smaller he cant hold it as long as the bigger ones. if hes pottying out side so often and eats 2 times a day , I don't see where he would have that much in him to soil his crate every day & night. was he ever In a crate before you got him? if not that might be the problem.
he could be doing this because of being left a lone in his crate. many have anxiety.
at night I would get a bigger crate and put a pee pad in it.
I would not post him on craigs list, if its not working out find him a good home. but not over the Internet, make sure its with someone you know or someone close enough that you can check them out.

We did take him out of our bedroom after a month or more. We have a baby as well, and he was waking him up. We kept him with us round the clock, I am a stay at home mom. He was where I was, and he went where I went even if I didn't bring him with me. I know he likes to be with people. At the advice of the trainer and the show dog trainer we put him in the crate and moved him downstairs. They said the dog should not have accidents in the crate. We have no idea how he has so much urine or poo. We physcially watch him go to the bathroom outdoors. If we don't take him down to his spot, he will jsut pee and poop on the porch or deck. So, we are with him, watching and praising. Our trainer said to praise with food treats, however, the more treats he got for good behavior...the more poo we had unscheduled. So we have been trying to play and rub bellies etc to reward him with good behavior. Unfortunately, the last week or so...it's a stand off outside, maybe because it's gotten colder....he just sits at your feet. After 10-15 mins at 12 midnight, I assume he isn't going to go to the bathroom, cause he has already been previous times. It's a nightmare. When I get to the top of the deck, he pops a squat on the deck or poops under the table. What do I do then? I need a professional...I don't want to get rid of him, but I need someone to tell me exactly what to do. Like I said, I am a stay at home mom. Give me a professional regimine and I'll do it. I have been following advice of other professionals and it's not working. You all are telling me he is crated too much and has anxiety. What was his problem before the crate? The behavior hasn't changed with or without the crate. Early on he was only crated during evening hours, or when we were not home. He is crated when we are traveling and camping and has NO problems. We go away for a week in our camper....and he may have one accident. We even have stayed in a hotel, he makes it all night in a hotel in his crate. It makes no sense. At least not to me or my husband. My trainer keeps telling me to stay the course and show the dog who is in charge. Right now I feel like the dog is in charge, and I'm loosing! I just need someone who isn't going to judge because I have been reading books and following advice of others. If anything - I've tried too many things and the dog is confused, but nothing is working.
If I spend the money on a bigger crate for more space for a pee pad isn't that defeating the purpose of the teaching of goign potty outdoors? someone suggested a towel. I totally bought 10 hand towels, and put one clean one in each night. It's nasty in the morning, but it's easy clean up. The dog still reaks of urine though. Nothing I can do for that unless I give him a bath daily. Which I have also tried to get him to not smell the urnine and pee again. Someone suggested that too. Ugh. I'm so frustrated, and people are so quick to judge. I have TRIED! I want to keep trying, but I don't know what to keep trying - everyone has a different opinion!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by jfeefamily

We did take him out of our bedroom after a month or more. We have a baby as well, and he was waking him up. We kept him with us round the clock, I am a stay at home mom. He was where I was, and he went where I went even if I didn't bring him with me. I know he likes to be with people. At the advice of the trainer and the show dog trainer we put him in the crate and moved him downstairs. They said the dog should not have accidents in the crate. We have no idea how he has so much urine or poo. We physcially watch him go to the bathroom outdoors. If we don't take him down to his spot, he will jsut pee and poop on the porch or deck. So, we are with him, watching and praising. Our trainer said to praise with food treats, however, the more treats he got for good behavior...the more poo we had unscheduled. So we have been trying to play and rub bellies etc to reward him with good behavior. Unfortunately, the last week or so...it's a stand off outside, maybe because it's gotten colder....he just sits at your feet. After 10-15 mins at 12 midnight, I assume he isn't going to go to the bathroom, cause he has already been previous times. It's a nightmare. When I get to the top of the deck, he pops a squat on the deck or poops under the table. What do I do then? I need a professional...I don't want to get rid of him, but I need someone to tell me exactly what to do. Like I said, I am a stay at home mom. Give me a professional regimine and I'll do it. I have been following advice of other professionals and it's not working. You all are telling me he is crated too much and has anxiety. What was his problem before the crate? The behavior hasn't changed with or without the crate. Early on he was only crated during evening hours, or when we were not home. He is crated when we are traveling and camping and has NO problems. We go away for a week in our camper....and he may have one accident. We even have stayed in a hotel, he makes it all night in a hotel in his crate. It makes no sense. At least not to me or my husband. My trainer keeps telling me to stay the course and show the dog who is in charge. Right now I feel like the dog is in charge, and I'm loosing! I just need someone who isn't going to judge because I have been reading books and following advice of others. If anything - I've tried too many things and the dog is confused, but nothing is working.
If I spend the money on a bigger crate for more space for a pee pad isn't that defeating the purpose of the teaching of goign potty outdoors? someone suggested a towel. I totally bought 10 hand towels, and put one clean one in each night. It's nasty in the morning, but it's easy clean up. The dog still reaks of urine though. Nothing I can do for that unless I give him a bath daily. Which I have also tried to get him to not smell the urnine and pee again. Someone suggested that too. Ugh. I'm so frustrated, and people are so quick to judge. I have TRIED! I want to keep trying, but I don't know what to keep trying - everyone has a different opinion!

I told you exactly what to do. limit his area. But you did not mention a baby before. I think with the puppy and a baby, it is just overwhelming for you. You probably shuold find him a new home.

some one on here agreed to take him, please contact her.

You are stressed and dogs do not understand stress. it makes you an unstable pack leader and he needs a good leader. You can not show him who is boss if you are not calm.

and that is most likely the advice that Cesaer Milan would give. Cesar does not train dogs. he trains people.

A trainer cannot train your dlog, you are the one that has to change before the dog will change.

[lrichardsonrnc]

I love you for being so kind hearted that you would offer to take this Yorkie to keep him off Craig'slist. This pup has to be a nervous wreck and to the OP.....I know it's nerve racking and to think of rehoming is one of your choices. It doesn't make you a bad person. Just a person whose come to the end of their teether. As for Cesar Milan?.....Oh, give me a break! He is wonderful but also a mega million dollar celebrity and I am currently reading his latest book "How to raise a perfect dog" which is all about puppyhood and it's fabulous! I love it! What are the chances of getting the "dog whisperer" to your house? Slim, very slim. Zip to nil! Ain't gunna happen! Rehabing a dog requires the tenacity of a truffle pig and some people are experts. Both with the experience, time, knowledge, patience and the plain ole "gift". Your dog clearly needs one of these people to be happy and well balanced. He's not a bad dog but a dog that doesn't have a "dog communicator" to make him understand your language and you....his. And I agree.....he knows your unhappy with him and the situation. I admire you for coming on YT and spilling your beans.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I told you exactly what to do. limit his area. But you did not mention a baby before.

And you didn't ask even though she said she had children. She has obviously tried ( she has had 2 trainers). She is frustrated and her breeder only trained the dog to go on pee pee pads...this poor little dude is getting mixed signals.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

And you didn't ask even though she said she had children. She has obviously tried ( she has had 2 trainers). She is frustrated and her breeder only trained the dog to go on pee pee pads...this poor little dude is getting mixed signals.

Yes he is. And she is frustrated and stressed. So i think it would probably be best for all if he had a new home.

[livingdustmops]

The OP and I are Pming each other...she loves this dog.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

The OP and I are Pming each other...she loves this dog.

Great I hope things work out for her.

[Love_Capone]

Maybe he is sensing your frustration and he's scared because he's confused. There was a thread that someone posted about there dog that was horrible, but she worked with him and it started working. I will find it and post the link. Have you tried the how to train a dog in 7 days schedule? Even though I'm sure it takes longer than 7 days to work it has really good schedules.

[Love_Capone]

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...our-house.html

Harlyyorkie had great ideas, check out this thread.

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by jfeefamily

We go for walks 30 minute walks with my kids. He plays in the back yard with my daughter when weather allows. He is not in the crate 24/7, but we are trying to train him not to pee indoors. Even with going out every hour on the hour - and him being tethered to my belt loop whereever I go...he still cries when I crate him at bed time. IN MY BEDROOM next to me in the bed! I can't watch him while I sleep and he is 3.5 pounds. I don't want him to kill himself in wires or soemthing. It's ridiculous to think a puppy is safe roaming free in a house. I don't leave my 9 month child roaming free and I am sure neither do you!

Have you tried allowing him to just sleep all night with you?
Chances are he won't budge all night long. I think he's telling
you he's lonesome and want's to cuddle with you.
Believe me I know what i'm talking about. Have one that was
very much like that until I finally allowed him in the bed.
It's been 4yrs and all is fine. He's happy being close to me.
If your afraid of him going threw the house put a gate across
your bedroom door where he can't get out. Yorkies don't give
up easily you just have to try and find out what is bothering
him. I think you will be surprised that his crying at night will cease.

[chicos2009]

i have a 9 month old dog and he roams in the house but not in bedrooms .at night he sleeps in his confortable bed i dont have him in crate and yes he does soil in his wee pad ,but that part of having a dog i just clean after him .there are human too ,i feel crate are bad and dont help at all is just a small place where they cant stay for long thats my opinion keep away from the crate and you wiil see the difference thank you

[Rooziedoo31]

I just want to say that I am so sorry you are going through this! It really does seem like you have tried everything. I personally do not think that you NEED to rehome him. You have shown that you are willing to try and that you are willing to keep trying.

You have probably done this but...

First of all, I really think that walks make a big diference. I know you said you walk him so that is great. Also, playing fetch and whatnot in the back yard to get him tired out.

Keep him with you during the day (tethered if you need to) and take him out every hour (or even less if he needs it). When you take him out tell him to "Go Potty." When he goes, praise him with a "good go potty" and rubs and attention or a treat (tiny treats go a long way).

Keep his crate open throughout the day. Feed him in the crate (with the door open and/or the top off if it comes off). Throughout the day place treats (even carrots if he likes them) in his crate (this will show him that the crate is a good place to be).

At night, take him out potty before bed and then tell him "time for bed" and put him in his crate. I do not think it is bad to take him out during the night so long as you gradually increase the amount of time he is in the crate.

If he just can't handle the crate, use an xpen, gated off area like the kitchen or laundry room, or a bathroom. I would use an xpen and cover the floor with pee pads (also have his bed/crate in there but I might not put his water in there as it may make the problem worse). After a while take away one pee pad at a time. If you see him going on the pad praise him.

I do not know that any of this info is new and you have probably tried it already. But I just want to encourage you to keep trying and that it will all be worth it.

[JasmineNoelle]

I totally understand how you feel. I love Jasmine but there were times that I was on the end of my rope with her and the potty training thing. I honestly didn't think she was going to get it. Prissy, our toy poodle, was a breeze. She never pottied in her crate or the house. She was a little lady. Then came Jasmine........here a poop, here a pee, every where a poop and pee. All I was doing was taking her outside to do her thing just to bring her in, so she would do her thing. Very frustrating. However, she is 10 months old now and, BINGO..........by george I thinks shes got it! I know you have tried everything you can possible do, as we did too, sometimes when you have done it all, all you can do is wait. Good luck!

[presleighs dog]

I don't have any magic words to give you only the encouragement to hang in there!!! I understand what you are going through. It IS very overwhelming when you have alot of responsabilites. Staying at home isn't lounging on the couch and watching tv all day long---especially with children-including your dog! Good luck and I admire your willingness to try and keep a family member with you at all costs Regardless of what is offered to you as advice do what YOU feel works, is easiest and please give it time!!! I am still in the training mode with Lola so there is a long way to go with her but I don't give up! She's my first dog ever. Good luck

[raindrop]

just a though - but have you checked with a vet just in case to make sure there's no physical health problem affecting his ability to hold it in until he is let out?