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09-16-2009, 11:05 PM | #16 |
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| In clicker you never put the word before you have taught the action and they offer the behaviour. Dogs do not come knowing that down means belly on the ground so you teach it first then name it. Another way to do it is to sit on the ground. Legs out straight. raise one leg. Lure dog under the raiseed leg and as the belly hits the ground under the lag click and treat. that is actually lure training not cliker but it works. Actul clicker would be to shape the down with out any comment at all. And if you youtube look up Miranda Bouque and she teaches a clicker down to izzy. JL
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09-16-2009, 11:52 PM | #17 |
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| hi all i love this site all the differant opinions .i get so much info of here .with clicker traing sometimes you wait for them to do the behavior then you click them ,like when you see you furbaby about to lie down on the couch say down and then click ,i have found this works really well.i also own a rottweiler who with clicker trainig he can sit ,paw ,lay down ,speak ,shut door ,open door ,get washing out of washer ,pick things up of the floor when i ask him to ,heel but my bullmastiff just looks at me like to say stop that annoying noise .i introduced the clicker to my 8 week old furbaby tutts yesterday and she seemed to like it but we will see what works with one dont work with another good luck Last edited by fran78; 09-16-2009 at 11:54 PM. |
09-17-2009, 08:27 AM | #18 | |
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Not trying to criticize, just trying to understand. Going to finish watching the vid.
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09-17-2009, 08:54 AM | #19 | |
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09-17-2009, 09:04 AM | #20 |
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| Here is the clicker website that really is wonderful if you are training using this method. I have it set up that I get daily emails from them even though I don't use it I am all for positive training and I believe they do a great job. I like reading their ideas. ClickerSolutions Home
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09-17-2009, 09:24 AM | #21 |
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| I don't know if I have just been lucky, but typically once I have taught a behavior I don't have to use the clicker anymore as a "good girl" can work in its place. When I do mini training sessions at home, I do try to use the clicker as I think it is the fastest way to shape new behaviors. I think maybe you should just start over training Denzel from scratch, but I am sure he will be very quick to pick up the behaviors you have previously taught him. When in college, before I had my girls, I had a bullmastiff that I clicker trained. He was the family dog that didn't come to live with me until about age 5, but I managed to teach him quite a few things. Here are some videos of me using the clicker with him: I, too, had a hard time understanding what behaviors were being rewarded in the video with Izzy. I should say I was a psychology major, and one of the things I did in my Behaviorism class was train animals at the zoo using positive reinforcement/clickers. I think it does help to have a basic understanding of how clicker training works before you start. Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor is an easy read that I think does a pretty good job of explaining things.
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09-17-2009, 09:47 AM | #22 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Ok, I watched the whole thing, she's been trying to teach to lie down, I think. Wow, did that take a long time. The dog did lie down at the end of training, and got a large amount of food for it, along with much excitability and praise, I think her final click was before the dog was in the prone position, and she should have clicked also when the dog was in the exact position she wanted. I don't think the dog has learned to lie down on command though. I'm not sure if getting that much food for producing the desired behavior is a good idea either. Seems like training could end at that point. I think you could get much faster results if you take advantage of using your hands, dogs really pay attention to hand signals, more than words. I mean it isn't clear if the dog learn to lie down in step by step marking getting closer to target behavior or was simply tired and lied down. It does seem to me if you don't use the clicker correctly you could really confuse the dog, so practicing without the dog, maybe on a person, might be a good idea.
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09-17-2009, 11:31 AM | #23 |
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| Sorry but I just got a visual...don't try this on your dog try it on your husband first.
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09-17-2009, 11:37 AM | #24 |
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09-17-2009, 03:07 PM | #25 | |
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So what she is looking for is a lowering of hte head to the grow and toward down not the sit motion at all. Watch the head not the bottom. JL
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09-17-2009, 03:10 PM | #26 | |
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09-17-2009, 03:32 PM | #27 |
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| One quick comment she click just before the lay down prone as it was the next step to shape to but the dog went down all the way thus the party after ward. The dog clued into what she wanted which was belly on the ground. Actually that was very fast for a dog just new to clicker and with no lure at all. This lady and her name, Dr Bourque, is on the video and she works with tigers, and giraffes and hippos and not sure what else. She does it all hands off. Her timing is one of the best there is. I wish I had her eye and timing. JL
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09-17-2009, 11:34 PM | #28 |
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| I am unsure how small/short your dog is but you want to take the treat all the way down to the floor so that he/she has to lay down to try and get it. At first they might just put their head down, but i also guided her bottom and eventually she started laying down. It's good to have a finger signal too along w/ the word. Hopes this helps |
09-19-2009, 09:07 AM | #29 |
BANNED FOR NOT SENDING A GIFT EXCHANGE GIFT! | I will try it in a chair I already tried to put the treat to his nose and then drag it but he just follows the treat hmmm this lay down has definitely been the hardest. I also think I may have confused him because when I go to bed I tell him nite nite denzel and he either goes to his bed and lay down or let's me know that he wants to sleep with me do you think that causes conflict with lay down method? |
09-19-2009, 09:12 AM | #30 |
BANNED FOR NOT SENDING A GIFT EXCHANGE GIFT! | I don't know because I don't know where to even throw a bray party haha only thing I schedule for his bday so far is his grooming appt. so I'm not really sure |
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