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Old 07-14-2009, 11:10 AM   #1
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Ok, so I'm inheriting a new member to the family by marriage. I have a 1.5 year old Westie and my fiancee has a 7 year old Yorkie. With this new member of the family, I can already see that there are going to be new problems inherited too.

The first problem isn't necessarily a real problem, just an annoyance. The dog (Pepper) gets overly excited when you put him in his crate. He was never crate trained and only used the crate for travel. Any time you get his crate out he turns circles, barks, jumps at the crate, and barely will wait for you to get the door open before he gets in. Immediately upon entering the crate he turns around and braces himself and begins a barking frenzy. Once he realizes you aren't going anywhere, he settles down but still remains tense. If you do infact load him in the car, no matter how long or short the trip, he immediately begins pawing furiously at the crate's door (it has a metal square grid door which is now rusted, you'll see why shortly), continues his barking frenzy, basically hyperventillates, begins foaming at the mouth, and licks the crate all over, including the door. After about 20 mins the dog is covered in slober...soaked in the stuff. If you allow him to roam free in the car he foams at the mouth and begins licking windows and air vents and makes a complete mess and will not allow you to hold him, lest you be clawed to death.

That is problem 1, I have no clue what this is about or how to solve it. I'll chalk that one up to being possessed by deamons or dementia if no explanation is given for that....I can deal with it even though it is a pain.

Problem 2 is, Pepper appears to like me, but is EXTREMELY territorial, protective, and dominant. He has bitten me twice in the past month, snapped at me several times, growls at me on a daily basis, and fiercly growls (showing his teeth) at me on a weekly basis. He is a really bad marker. He pees all over the house...especially if something new is placed on the floor and left there for longer than a day. We were working on our wedding invitations and sit the boxes in the floor after we were done (we did put the covers on them thankfully), and a couple of days later I noticed he had peed on them. He does this very sneakily, we are never able to catch him in the action. Since she is in the process of moving her stuff here (wedding is in a month) she will leave him with me for a few days at a time while she tends to stuff back home, packs more things, and then bring another load of stuff down. As soon as she leaves and he realizes she is going to be gone for an extended time, he turns sour and won't play, mopes around, barely eats, and is pretty defiant of anything I say to him. If I command him to sit, he just stares at me with a glazed look. If I try to force his bottom to the ground, he resists it with everything he has (I even heard his joints pop a few times when I did this). Also, if he is laying on ANY piece of furniture and you want to join him, he growls, just a low growl, but a growl nonetheless and then most of the time he will claim a new piece of furniture by jumping down and going to lay on it. He is especially bad about it if my fiancee is sitting/laying beside him and I want to sit/lay beside her and even worse if I take his place beside her or he is required to move. One of the times I was bitten was when I went to sit down beside her on the bed and tell her bye as I was leaving to work. He showed his teeth at me as I reached to move him and he bit my arm. I don't know what to do with this dog, he is determined that I do not belong and I am not his superior.

Help please! What training methods do I need to start? I have already begun crate training like I did with my dog when she was a pup...he is allowed out to play, eat, and potty, that's it. I have also started making him sit before he gets his food and I take it up after he gets done. I also try hard not to allow him to eat within an hour before I eat myself. Before I start to eat I take his food away and I give it back after I get done. What can I do to stop his aggressiveness is my main concern. The marking would be my second concern. The car/crate madness is my last priority.
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Neutering will help with the aggression and marking. In the meantime, you should get a Belly Band.

The car situation, not sure you will break that, some dogs just have pure fear and anxiety over car rides.

Also, SHE is HIS Momma, you won't be able to break that habit either.
As time goes by, things should get better, but alot of dogs go into a depression when their Mommas are gone
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I should also state that, unless her and her parents are completely oblivious to this, he does not mark at her apartment or her parents' house.

This I also found wierd. Pepper also does not like my female westie. She was even in heat a few weeks ago when my fiancee was down visiting with him and he wouldn't even go near her....not that we really want puppies right now, but he growls at her constantly when she gets anywhere near him and her being in heat did not affect that behavior towards her at all. She loves him and wants to play and craves attention from him all the time but he won't pay attention to her Poor girl....she just want some and he won't give it to her, lol.
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Neutering will help with the aggression and marking. In the meantime, you should get a Belly Band.

The car situation, not sure you will break that, some dogs just have pure fear and anxiety over car rides.

Also, SHE is HIS Momma, you won't be able to break that habit either.
As time goes by, things should get better, but alot of dogs go into a depression when their Mommas are gone

Yes, I understand that he is going to miss his momma, I can deal with that. The neutering she won't talk about until all options have been tried with training. I would like to get him neutered and just get it over with, but she wants to try everything else first. As for the car situation, he LOVES car rides, he can't wait for you to get the door open to jump into the car if you allow him free. If you crate him barely can wait for you to get the door to his crate open and then he rushes into it...so I don't see that as fear of the car ride.
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I should also state that, unless her and her parents are completely oblivious to this, he does not mark at her apartment or her parents' house.

This I also found wierd. Pepper also does not like my female westie. She was even in heat a few weeks ago when my fiancee was down visiting with him and he wouldn't even go near her....not that we really want puppies right now, but he growls at her constantly when she gets anywhere near him and her being in heat did not affect that behavior towards her at all. She loves him and wants to play and craves attention from him all the time but he won't pay attention to her Poor girl....she just want some and he won't give it to her, lol.
He could just be marking your place

His aggression is due to not be neutered. I would have them both spayed and neutered. I am not a big fan of mixed, accident and nonchalant breeding (kinda careless IMO)
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He could just be marking your place

His aggression is due to not be neutered. I would have them both spayed and neutered. I am not a big fan of mixed, accident and nonchalant breeding (kinda careless IMO)


First off, get him neutered ASAP. It should help tremendously with aggression and marking.

As for the car, some dogs just don't like it. But my dog hated the car when he was in a crate, once I got him a seatbelt buckle so he would stay still but could still sniff out the window, he LOVES car rides. Make sure every car ride he goes on in the beginning is going somewhere good. You want him to associate the car with good things so bring a really yummy treat he would like every time he enters the car. Bring him to a positive place, like a park or something, let him see car rides can be good!

As for him being agressive and dominant, you need to let him know that is a NO-NO behavior. You/your girlfriend is his leader! If you google "Nothing in Life is Free" dog training concept, you will get really good ideas. When being fed... make him sit before he gets his meal, etc. Also, check out Cesar Millan. His show Dog Whisperer airs every day on National Geographic channel and he has a few really good books out. You can learn a lot from him. Or Victoria Stillwell from "It's Me or the Dog" on Animal Planet. I'm telling you... you can learn sooo much! There's been many episodes on both shows where a dog shows this type of behavior you're describing... YOU need to claim that couch and let him know it's yours... not his.
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Ok, so I'm inheriting a new member to the family by marriage. I have a 1.5 year old Westie and my fiancee has a 7 year old Yorkie. With this new member of the family, I can already see that there are going to be new problems inherited too.

The first problem isn't necessarily a real problem, just an annoyance. The dog (Pepper) gets overly excited when you put him in his crate. He was never crate trained and only used the crate for travel. Any time you get his crate out he turns circles, barks, jumps at the crate, and barely will wait for you to get the door open before he gets in. Immediately upon entering the crate he turns around and braces himself and begins a barking frenzy. Once he realizes you aren't going anywhere, he settles down but still remains tense. If you do infact load him in the car, no matter how long or short the trip, he immediately begins pawing furiously at the crate's door (it has a metal square grid door which is now rusted, you'll see why shortly), continues his barking frenzy, basically hyperventillates, begins foaming at the mouth, and licks the crate all over, including the door. After about 20 mins the dog is covered in slober...soaked in the stuff. If you allow him to roam free in the car he foams at the mouth and begins licking windows and air vents and makes a complete mess and will not allow you to hold him, lest you be clawed to death.

That is problem 1, I have no clue what this is about or how to solve it. I'll chalk that one up to being possessed by deamons or dementia if no explanation is given for that....I can deal with it even though it is a pain.

Problem 2 is, Pepper appears to like me, but is EXTREMELY territorial, protective, and dominant. He has bitten me twice in the past month, snapped at me several times, growls at me on a daily basis, and fiercly growls (showing his teeth) at me on a weekly basis. He is a really bad marker. He pees all over the house...especially if something new is placed on the floor and left there for longer than a day. We were working on our wedding invitations and sit the boxes in the floor after we were done (we did put the covers on them thankfully), and a couple of days later I noticed he had peed on them. He does this very sneakily, we are never able to catch him in the action. Since she is in the process of moving her stuff here (wedding is in a month) she will leave him with me for a few days at a time while she tends to stuff back home, packs more things, and then bring another load of stuff down. As soon as she leaves and he realizes she is going to be gone for an extended time, he turns sour and won't play, mopes around, barely eats, and is pretty defiant of anything I say to him. If I command him to sit, he just stares at me with a glazed look. If I try to force his bottom to the ground, he resists it with everything he has (I even heard his joints pop a few times when I did this). Also, if he is laying on ANY piece of furniture and you want to join him, he growls, just a low growl, but a growl nonetheless and then most of the time he will claim a new piece of furniture by jumping down and going to lay on it. He is especially bad about it if my fiancee is sitting/laying beside him and I want to sit/lay beside her and even worse if I take his place beside her or he is required to move. One of the times I was bitten was when I went to sit down beside her on the bed and tell her bye as I was leaving to work. He showed his teeth at me as I reached to move him and he bit my arm. I don't know what to do with this dog, he is determined that I do not belong and I am not his superior.

Help please! What training methods do I need to start? I have already begun crate training like I did with my dog when she was a pup...he is allowed out to play, eat, and potty, that's it. I have also started making him sit before he gets his food and I take it up after he gets done. I also try hard not to allow him to eat within an hour before I eat myself. Before I start to eat I take his food away and I give it back after I get done. What can I do to stop his aggressiveness is my main concern. The marking would be my second concern. The car/crate madness is my last priority.
The kennel thing happening is a Panic attack and can be treated with bio calm or composure to help the dog settle down.
Actually may need something stronger in genral to help with the day to day a stress of settling into a new home.
What about instead of a kennel as the roof may make him feel to contained a x pen.
everything by you should be worked for and you should do the main feeding and care and gentle gentle as he is extremely scared about the changes. His world is upside down and he just not sure.
I put him on nothing in life is free.. so food he sits and out to pee he lays down but a soft request not a demand as male vocies tend to stop the dog moving and female ones get them moving. He not used to you telling him what to do so ask.

His little world is so changed he is not able to cope. He needs all the support and gentle rules you can give him so his world starts making sence.
I look into clicker training as it is the least threating training method there is and it maybe he takes to it and thinks you hung the moon for starting it with him.

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HE is acting out simply for the reason his whole world is upside down and he in a major panic and is not coping with all the change. Does not mean he needs to get away with it does mean he needs time, love and a behaviour cosult with a PHD or DVM packing behaviourist so he can feel safe and happy.

living in a world that to him has gone mad is very frightening and will shorten a dogs life either by him going to a bite and having to be put down or developing secondary illnesses.

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Just cause you neuter it will not stop a dog from marking, that is not true. It also is not true that this dog will mark at your house and not at your fiancee's , it probably does, either they are oblivious or they don't care, I don't know.
The dog should be neutered for health reasons and also because in my opinion it is the responsible thing to do. Neutering will help with the aggression a bit.
You need to have one on one time with him and if need be get a trainer . He is going to be part of your life so with some patience and consistency he may become your best friend, ya never know.
I wish you the best of luck.
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This is why my friend told me to find the dog first and THEN the man so he knows my puppy and I are a package deal! Good luck and congrats on the marriage!
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