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02-19-2009, 01:08 PM | #46 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United States
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| There has to be some sort of balance between destructiveness and being humane. My girlfriend's dog is sweet, but sooooo rotten and destructive. I know she cares about him. I'm hoping I can have better results with a more involved program of potty training. I'm gonna try restricting his movements along with belly bands. |
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02-19-2009, 02:10 PM | #47 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mogadore OH USA
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| Ashamed to say, but huggies for us!! Cut a hole for the tail nub, and voila, instant peace. But we still do potty trips outside. We will never get it...she is almost three yrs old
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02-19-2009, 02:11 PM | #48 | ||
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| Whoa, rant. Sorry.. Quote:
I decided to start crate training because I wanted Hiro to have a good life where he could tell me what he needed and could abide by the rules of my house. I most certainly was NOT going to be chasing after him all day - keeping an eye on him like a hawk and stepping in his mistakes - for the rest of his little life and at the same time pretty much telling him that it's OK to make my house uninhabitable. He spent a lot of his time in the crate. This is true. And no matter how many books I read that told me a dog will take to a crate and look at it as his own personal 'den' or living space, I didn't believe it and I felt bad about it for the first little while. I WANTED him to be able to run around free as bird in my house! I WANTED him to have freedom and to come greet me at the door! I WANTED to believe that he could learn good potty manners all outside of the evil, space-encroaching, metal grated door crate! My heart wept for him! How terrible! ... ... THEN I went over to my in-laws house. They have a Pomeranian. This pom has NO rules. No boundaries. NO limitations. She does whatever she wants, humps what she wants, growls at whoever she wants, has food aggression, spacial agression and PEES AND POOPS where ever she wants!!!!!! My husband I went over there for dinner. I stepped in her mess. I was SO mad. I decided that I never wanted to be upset like I was at my in-laws dog at Hiro. I decided that *I* would set the rules of the house and I would enforce them. Proper potty training isn't just about a bleeding heart and a decision that you'd rather give your dog a 'life' than subject him/her to a crate for a couple months out of their entire existence. It's really about being a pack leader. It's about giving your dog rules and boundaries and limitations - not just affection. (Gosh I love Cesar lol) An animal (like a human) needs to be taught what is acceptable behaviour and what is not acceptable behaviour. They need to listen to you, as a pack leader, and respect the boundaries you set out. Quote:
If you want to clean up after your dog when it leaves presents where it shouldn't, ok. If you want to keep buying your dog diapers, all right. It's really your decision. Your dog wants nothing else than to please you. When he/she messes on the floor or somewhere you don't want them to mess, do you not get agitated, aggravated, irritated, or stressed out? If you think she's happier, I think you're kidding yourself. You still feel bad about the fact that you 'failed her' and she knows it.... Now, to the point of my post. I appreciate that you don't agree with crate training, slcsgh, but this thread is discussing crate training along with other methods in order to provide options to the original poster. There's LOTS of people who don't agree with crate training. Your dog isn't trained. Read the plethora of posts here dealing with training - crate, or not, (whichever way you may agree with) and try again with your own pooch before you criticize someone else's method.
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02-19-2009, 02:14 PM | #49 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mogadore OH USA
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| <reading the above post and hanging head in shame as I adjust huggie>
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02-19-2009, 02:19 PM | #50 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | Aw, guys let's stay friends. I did ask for honesty, so people who admit that they are poking tail holes in diapers, I appreciate you posting. I really did not want to crate train either, which is partly why I waited so long to resort to this, but I'm hoping he will be in the crate for just a few hours a day until he gets it. He can sleep in the same spot on my couch for a few hours, so I don't think he's suffering terribly (though sometimes he sure makes it sound that way!). Let's all try to assume that we're doing the best by our dogs, and the dogs wearing diapers are happy and the dogs who are crated are happy. We as owners are the best judges of that.
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02-19-2009, 02:20 PM | #51 | |
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After I got over my inhibitions and my reservations about the crate (which Hiro did not have) I was fine with it. I also discovered how much Hiro LOVED his crate! It was indeed his own little house in my house. I had his toys in there, I had some tasty (crate only) treats for him, and I had him so that he could see me at all times. Crating isn't inhumane. Some dogs take to it, others don't. Just like anything. I'm sure you'll find what is best for your pup!
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02-19-2009, 02:21 PM | #52 |
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| Not all dogs work on the same schedule, just like with kids... they have their own agendas and they learn in different ways and we as humans get the pleasure of figuring out what way works best for our furbutts. I don't agree with 4 1/2 to 5 months generalization.
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02-19-2009, 02:27 PM | #53 | ||
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02-19-2009, 05:09 PM | #54 |
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| I got madison at 4.5 mos old and the breeder hadn't attempted potty training yet. She had access to a kitchen and a porch/balcony thingy and went potty either place. I thought have an older dog ( my 5 yr old maltese) would make my puppy learn faster. But it hasn't. We've had plenty of accidents. ( I got urine off and the black light to go with it and was amazed and appalled of all the pee spots I found) With that being said Madison will be 9 mos next week and I believe in February we have been accident free thus far ( fingers crossed ) she was spayed 2 weeks ago and she seems like now it's clicked with her that we go potty outside. The next few weeks will tell. It's not easy when its cold and rainy but my husband and I haved been consistant and have kept a watchful eye on her. I still crate her when I leave IF she's not gone potty outside for me. If she has gone potty for me, I gate both dogs in my bedroom where they have toys and access to the doggie door to go out side to potty. Which seems to work. I know they go outside cause Madison loves to bring cedar bark chips into the house and today when I got home there were like 8 of them in my room. Then what I do is tonight I will black light my carpet in my room and see if there are any potty stains that are new. It's the only way I can be sure if we are making progress. Madison's crate is also in my room I leave the door open and many times I come home and she's in her crate. and when we are home she on occassion goes in to grab a toy or a bone out of it or just hangs out in there. So I guess it is a matter of (1) her being comfy with the crate and (2) Learning boundaries. I must say its my 5 yr old maltese who has had to endure the most. with limited access to the whole house now that Madison has come to live with us. As my yorkie does not deserve to have total access to the whole house until I know she consistantly goes potty outside. Also, a little side note. she has peed on concrete, a door mat or in planter areas not always the grass. But at this point to me its OUTSIDE!! I can throw away the mats and buy new ones, I can hose down concrete after she pees and in the planter if plants die I'll get new ones but she's PEEING OUTSIDE and thats my main goal!!!! it is exhausting, to be consistant, always watching, always knowing what time she pottied last so I know when to let her out again. It's hard watching every move she makes when she's not looking for a place to potty but we *think* she is. It's a sacrifice to get a sweater on her and a jacket on me and stand outside for 30 mins when its 40* outside and she doesn't go potty. But thats the committment I made whe I brought her home. I wouldn't trade that sweet little adorable, bundle of joy and love for any of the frustration in teaching her where to potty. |
02-19-2009, 05:58 PM | #55 | |
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It is funny how fast she runs to the door when I say "outside" I have to try to get diaper off before she dashes out and pees in diaper. lol. I still wouldnt trade her for the world. And I would love to get her better trained so I could trust her without a diaper, but this is ok too, and she looks adorable with winnie the pooh on her butt anyway!
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02-19-2009, 06:25 PM | #56 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member | I'm sorry did you say how old your baby was??? It took my boy a good year and a half to potty train. It does take the breed a little longer than some. I would recommend Pen and Crate training. I do not recommend keeping your little one locked up in a crate all the time. They will end up going in their crate if they spend to much time in there. I did not let my little one run the house before he was trained unless I was there at all times. And I watched him like a Hawk I did put the large pen in the kitchen for the first year of his life. It takes up alot of space but it was a great help in helping me to train my boy. My boy is now 4 and has full roam of the house. Be patient and give it time, but you have to very consistent with whatever you do. |
02-19-2009, 06:32 PM | #57 | |
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I do agree with alot of what you said, some treat their dogs like they are babies. These little dogs need a leader, I think if a dog is 3-4 years old then he should be trained. If you are just putting a diaper on an older dog than they are the leader. I will tell you that house breaking a pet can be extremely difficult, but it MUST be done. Not only for you but for your pet. You need a regular routine when it comes to eating a pottying. If you have a schedule it makes it much easier to train. | |
02-19-2009, 06:50 PM | #58 | |
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I hear that small dogs get away with a lot because they're cute and they're small! I don't personally believe in letting my dog get away with anything. I experience the same amount of disgust picking up Hiro's little poopies as I would have picking up a Great Dane's poopies! I would be lost without my schedule. I run a tight ship! haha Once again... I don't plan on running this tight a ship for the rest of my life, and I'm NOT a list or schedule type person. I just want to give Hiro the BEST chance at pleasing me by pottying where he needs to. I can't let Hiro down either! I have to be the best trainer I can be - watching him for signals, feeding him good food, stimulating him through exercise and games, etc. When he's older and trained and a great companion... THEN I can say I've done my job and let a little bit of slack in my life. I know Hiro will thank me, and I will forever treasure my (remaining) sanity!
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02-19-2009, 06:59 PM | #59 | |
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02-19-2009, 07:16 PM | #60 |
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| All I have to add is...if only they knew the amount of freedom they would have when they are 100% potty trained. It would make both their life and our life alot easier and happier. Too bad their isn't any other way to communicate with them, besides training and reinforcement of good behavior.
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