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Old 09-18-2008, 06:07 AM   #1
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Ok, I'm a phone call away from calling in a trainer, so any suggestions will be appreciated. My soon to be 1 year old is incredible stubborn but very smart. I have been able to train him to sit, stay, lay down, roll over, and much more. The things i cannot concur are, when i walk him on the leash he pulls and pulls. I have been trying to stop wait until he comes back to me than start walking. I did this for 30 min. yes. but he would start off good and after a few minutes start pulling again. Also the other thing is he goes completely crazy when he sees a big dog, he only does it with big dogs, but he barks a very weird bark, lunges at them and is out of control. I'm worried because one of these big dogs might attack him some day because of his behavior. How can i get him to stop this?
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Good choice to call a trainer... it is always good to call a trainer if you feel one is needed as you get things stopped before it gets much harder to fix.

Have a look at this site Truly Dog Friendly » Truly Dog-Friendly Trainers

If you can get Pam Dennison or one of her trainers go for it. I sit here pea green with envy if you did use her.

There are more then a few good trainers in New jersy and I feel pretty confident that those at Trulydog freindly know there stuff.

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i use a gentle leader for my puller. however her is 60 pounds.. im not sure if they make them that small but they make a WONDER of difference. its just a small part that goes over the nose and around the head so you have complete control of their head when they pull their head is pulled back (like leading a horse) again im not sure if it would work with him being so small...

also i watched on cesar that when confronted with something (in your case big dogs) to turn and walk in the other direction to cease the barking and when he is good to turn back around. i havnt tried this but cesar says so! lol good luck
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There are a couple people at my office who rave about the Gentle Leader. I've never tried one, but they talk like it's a miracle fix.
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I haven't figured out the pulling yet either. But the "leave it" command works well for lots of things. When they pick up something they shouldn't have, with that command you can get them to drop it, and it works for getting them to ignore other dogs. Only one of my babies knows that command, and it's the only thing he does know! Good luck!
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:01 AM   #6
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I also watch Ceasar, but i can't even get him to walk in any direction he chokes himself, pulls, twists the leash, like a possessed dog. I will try the leave it command, but i don't know if it will work, he is a totally different dog when he spots a large dog. I don't even walk him at the park anymore because he goes crazy.
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gentle leaders work wonders! however, i have never seen it on a little dog, let alone a yorkie! they do have a no pull harness, which will prevent your dog from jumping up, i would try that!
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Well that's good that you've been watching Cesar! So you walk your little guy beside you and he pulls? I'd say make sure you leave the house before your pup does and return the same way. Don't leave to house until your pup is calm. After you leave the house have him by your side keep the leash very short if he starts pulling give a quick jerk on the leash and say something like "hey". Keep doing this, he should get the point pretty quickly. If that doesn't work i'd try to lure him with food. Have a treat in your hand that he REALLY likes and let him sniff it, place the treat just out of his reach as you walk. If he wants the treat he won't go ahead of you.

As for the big dog problems. I'd try to have a big dog around him, not close to him but so he can see it. Everytime he starts going nuts jerk his leash and make him sit. Whenever he sit, reward his behavior. Anytime he starts claming down reward him. But be careful to not reward while he's in his "mode". If he won't sit, grab him and lay him on his back so his tummy is up. He should calm down, giving you the chance to reward the calm behavior.

I wouldn't use a harness because that wouldn't fix his pulling problem.
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I do try treats, but when he's in that mode he ignores the treats. I do have a harness, but i guess the one you are talking about is different, I have to go to the pet store to look for a gentle harness. I have been taking him on walks and keeping the leash short and i have been stopping when he pulls and waiting until he walks back to my side, we do this throughout the entire walk, but i'll keep practicing with him. Next time i'm out and a big dog walks by I will try to put him on his side. Thanks for all your advise.
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You do not want him to get in that mode... you want to train outside the panic attack. You want to work with him so the dog coming at him does not get inside his freak out zone so you can treat and train the calm. You leave or stay out of that zone until you can drop the area from say freak at 20 feet to walking right by at very slow steps of could be an inch at a time or more if your lucky. When working a reactive dog there is no fast cure and no easy way to get this done over night or even in weeks it can take a long time. This is way socialization is extremely important so this kind of clean up work is easier done or less needed.

Short leashes teach pulling. Take an arm of a friend pull... what do they do.. pull back to stay standing.. yes???? now push you Friend what happens. they push back... Yes??? so it ingrained in normal for a dog to pull against or push against what is pulling or pushing him.

Why the gentle leader works is that it puts the pull or push on the back of the head so they lean back into it so not pulling forward.

So if your working a short leash all your going to do is teach the dog to pull.
Slack leash using be a tree or I you pull I stop or we go home or do the switch and go a different way if he pulls... Teach go sniff so he can sniff and come back the more you send him out the more he will come back it the Premark theory works on everything the more you allow someone or something to do what they want the less they want to do it.

Not sure what you mean by putting him on the side... hope it not a alpha roll as it will only increase the fear. In the dogs thinking...That dogs coming at me are to be feared cause Mom freaks out tosses me to the ground ( ouch) holds me down( ouch) and make me stay with a big ugly stranger dog in my zone. AHHHHHHHH panic sooner.!!!!

How would you feel in full panic mode you where forced to face the snake or spider or gun carrying mad person.... would you stay calm? would it make you able to deal with it better? being forced to stay and not be able to get away.
aloha rolls or being made to sit in the fear zone makes things worse. Once they can not eat a treat you in a loose loose situation get out.

behind you sitting so you are between him and the dog coming at you. It is called splitting in dog talk.. see Truid Rugrass work.. and helps calm the dog and you can teach the dog go behind when you are scared gives them an ok to be scared and allows them to learn to deal with fear. It is a time out for them.
Learning dog body languages a great help and fun too. See turid rugrass book on talking terms with dogs.
Once you learn what you do looks like before a panic attack kicks in you can move to stop it and work the calm.
yes I still have occasion to oops us into a panic attack with my dog but we get out and move on and we have built in coping skills now if we oops.... like peeing on the tree to relieve stress ( dog not me) like bad mom here is extra treat or look I have you ball lets play. Takes time to get those to but the relationship built in I will help and protect you is worth it.

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I don't mean hold him down or choke him, just how Ceasar does it to get him to submiss. He doesn't seem fearful, he seems like he wants to go attack that dog, although the other dog could probaby eat him whole. He is not a crazy about treats dog, I have tried everyone and he will eat it,but if he is looking at another dog or outside where there's lots to do he does not respond to treats, wont even sniff them. I started socializing him early with other dogs, we even did a puppy class and there where bigger dogs in there. He just started this about 2 mos. ago with going crazy when he sees a big dog, totally different reaction with a small dog. But I'll try some of your suggestions, next time i go to the park.
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I don't mean hold him down or choke him, just how Ceasar does it to get him to submiss. He doesn't seem fearful, he seems like he wants to go attack that dog, although the other dog could probaby eat him whole. He is not a crazy about treats dog, I have tried everyone and he will eat it,but if he is looking at another dog or outside where there's lots to do he does not respond to treats, wont even sniff them. I started socializing him early with other dogs, we even did a puppy class and there where bigger dogs in there. He just started this about 2 mos. ago with going crazy when he sees a big dog, totally different reaction with a small dog. But I'll try some of your suggestions, next time i go to the park.
Yup I was afraid of that that is a alpha roll and I would suggest with care and all do respect, stop using it truly if a 200 pound human did that to you... you would feel what???? and your dog feels the same just the same really they do.
What you may be missing seeing and I do not when watching dogs on TV or not and you may not totally understand dog language is the lip licks, the yawns ,the eye blink, the shake off the total of 41 other signs you dog is stressed... please do not do the roll it not worth your relationship with our dog you want it built with trust and that not bulding trust. It is ok to have done it, it did not work move on.

Sadly we are all taught puppy class is enough sadly that is wrong.. 100 people, places, things, sounds, other dogs and animals by 16 weeks and then you go on from there or it not enough.

It is ok too we can work on skills now and you did not know as it not told well enough and loud enough and clearly enough.

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Ok, I'm a phone call away from calling in a trainer, so any suggestions will be appreciated. My soon to be 1 year old is incredible stubborn but very smart. I have been able to train him to sit, stay, lay down, roll over, and much more. The things i cannot concur are, when i walk him on the leash he pulls and pulls. I have been trying to stop wait until he comes back to me than start walking. I did this for 30 min. yes. but he would start off good and after a few minutes start pulling again. Also the other thing is he goes completely crazy when he sees a big dog, he only does it with big dogs, but he barks a very weird bark, lunges at them and is out of control. I'm worried because one of these big dogs might attack him some day because of his behavior. How can i get him to stop this?
I've seen the lady on "It's Me Or The Dog" show how to handle this. When the dog starts pulling or barking, immediately stop and go in the opposite direction. Do this every time he starts pulling or barking. It worked for her!
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Thanks, I will try that to stop and walk back.
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Hi I'm working on this one with my trainer - we had a class yesterday and volla -mmuch better. So make sure your yorkie is hungry i.e. don't feed before the walk (Cesar would agree). Then, every time the puppy pulls stop and be a statue. As soon as the pup turns and looks at you, click (if you are using a clicker - I am) and then treat when she comes to you. I did this with multiple other dogs around and after about 5 minutes Lily almost immediately turned to me when I stopped. The trainer didn't have me pull on the leash, say anything just STOP moving. Now it didn't stop her totally from starting towards other dogs but the barking stopped and the recovery was very quick. This is my homework for the week on every walk. Good luck. I couldn't find a gentle leader small enough but put Lily in a harness so shes not pulling against her trachea. My vet told me to do this as the little dogs can damage their trachea easily.
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