BEWARE OF STARYORKIE.COM IN CA, Encino

[mambolady]

You guys keep referring to puppy parties. Where is this posted? I haven't seen anything about a puppy party. Can you give me the link?

[mambolady]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

Most of the posts here are regarding RED FLAGS. These indicate warning signs that the breeder may not be someone you want to buy from. These come from the websites themselves. I find red flags to be proof enough for me personally and I run far away from them.

I would never buy a pup from a site that allows me to "buy it now." That's just a bad sign. It means they aren't even bothering to screen homes. Look I can just add it to my cart!!! That's absolutely disgusting and deplorable in my book.

Good luck in your search. We can only educate people and hope they listen. If you choose not to that is your choice. No one here is forcing anyone to do anything. You are free to make your own decisions. However, buyer beware.

thank you furbaby friend. It's a shame but i have seen that button on a few sites. i appreciate your taking the time to respond.

[mambolady]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I will tell you why I am not wrong about the poster's statements. If she got a healthy pup, then she needs to consider herself exceedingly lucky. Nothing about the description of the place she saw the pup says anything except petstore/puppy mill.

How clean a place is does not guarantee a good breeder. It's important, but not the be all and end all.

Next comes the comment about the new born dogs being bottle fed. Unless the health of the mother is at stake, there is no reason for them to be doing that. It's absolutely not in the best interest of the pups. All pups should be with their mother for the first months of life. Not only does she provide nourishment, she provides essential social skills in their development. For larger dogs, they should be with mom a minimum of 8 weeks. Toy breeds should be with them at least 12.

Then, she said that the dam came from a Korean line. That again is another HUGE red flag. Korean dogs are puppy mill dogs. So the person here breeding them is doing nothing more than breeding puppy mill pups by extension.

The next thing she mentions is the price of the dogs. That one almost made me pee my pants with laughter. Price does NOT determine quality. And these dogs are proof positive of that. They are extremely off-standard. They are breeding really poor representatives of the breed.

Going back to the site it's self. They mix breeds. NO reputable breeders will breed mixes. Period. Reputable breeders strive to maintain the integrity of the breeds, not diluting them.

Look at the 2 yorkies on their front page right now. They are estimating the adult weights to be LESS THAN 3 POUNDS. That means, if they are correct, that they are breeding females who are far too small to be breeding safely. These extremely tiny dogs are prone to a myriad of health problems ON TOP OF the ones already endemic in the breed.



Then let’s look at the fact that they offer “puppy parties”. Holy cow! What reputable breeder allows pups to be out and about in the community before they are fully vaccinated? That’s a minimum of 18 weeks, but preferably 6 months if the rabies vaccine is held off as recommended for toys. That doesn't exactly scream "I've only got the best interest for the health of my dogs in mind."

Again, if this friend of yours got lucky and didn’t get a sick pup, then she should be thanking her lucky stars. But without a doubt, no matter how nicely you dress up the place and no matter how much someone charges, it’s still a front for a puppy mill and bad breeding practices.

I said you were wrong about this poster being a phony because you all were talking about people coming on and posting one time to say Star was a good place. She came on and made her statement (doesn't matter what that statement was) because I told her what was being said and she felt she should say something. I didn't tell her to do it. I didn't force her to do it. She's an adult and did it on her own. You were wrong in that she wasn't put up to it by Star. If you read what she said carefully and instead of immediately just jumping to what was wrong with Star, she gave you what she saw and how she felt honestly. Do you really think she would have mentioned the bottle feeding puppies if she thought that was wrong? Think about it. Your reply was good info, your attitude was not good, it was mean and hurtful to a super nice person.

And I'm still waiting for someone to point out about the puppy parties. This really kills me in that you accuse people, anyone, of taking little tiny puppies to a party to make money off of it. Where does it say that? I have been looking at this site for months, as I said b/4 and have never read anything about a puppy party, yet your last post, this last post we are talking about, you bring it up as a current item.

Could it be that you saw a picture of a young dog with a birthday hat on it and assumed this was what you call a puppy party? Did the lady in the picture look like a kid? How did you all decide these people were holding puppy parties and making money? I really wish you would tell me. I told you, I was serious, if you provide proof of them being a puppy mill, or abusing puppies or animals, I live here. I would try to do something about it.
But I truly think you saw this picture and your imaginations ran wild when all it is is a lady sharing a picture of her dog she got from them on his first birthday and the cute fun she and her friends had.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by mambolady

I said you were wrong about this poster being a phony because you all were talking about people coming on and posting one time to say Star was a good place. She came on and made her statement (doesn't matter what that statement was) because I told her what was being said and she felt she should say something. I didn't tell her to do it. I didn't force her to do it. She's an adult and did it on her own. You were wrong in that she wasn't put up to it by Star. If you read what she said carefully and instead of immediately just jumping to what was wrong with Star, she gave you what she saw and how she felt honestly. Do you really think she would have mentioned the bottle feeding puppies if she thought that was wrong? Think about it. Your reply was good info, your attitude was not good, it was mean and hurtful to a super nice person.

And I'm still waiting for someone to point out about the puppy parties. This really kills me in that you accuse people, anyone, of taking little tiny puppies to a party to make money off of it. Where does it say that? I have been looking at this site for months, as I said b/4 and have never read anything about a puppy party, yet your last post, this last post we are talking about, you bring it up as a current item.

Could it be that you saw a picture of a young dog with a birthday hat on it and assumed this was what you call a puppy party? Did the lady in the picture look like a kid? How did you all decide these people were holding puppy parties and making money? I really wish you would tell me. I told you, I was serious, if you provide proof of them being a puppy mill, or abusing puppies or animals, I live here. I would try to do something about it.
But I truly think you saw this picture and your imaginations ran wild when all it is is a lady sharing a picture of her dog she got from them on his first birthday and the cute fun she and her friends had.

No one can provide "proof" that they are mills unless they were investigated and exposed, which is most likely never going to happen. Plus, what defines a mill to some may not define a mill to others. I'm not even sure if there is a law with specific wording about what constitutes one.

However, we can point out red flags and bad practices and from that draw conclusions of our own opinions. People have done that here. I personally find many things to be wrong with this site and I would never EVER buy from them.

IMO they are not good breeders. Whether they are mill or not doesn't matter to me (although I personally think they are, but that is my opinion). It doesn't matter if they have puppy parties or not. As I said before and you acknowledged, THEY HAVE BUY THIS PUPPY NOW BUTTONS. That is just wrong, period end of story. They also ship their pups. I find shipping pups to be a poor practice. IMO a good breeder would NEVER ship their pups off to some random person over the internet. In addition, IMO shipping is cruel to the pup. The puppy parties are irrelevant at this point, at least to me.

My final conclusion and opinion: They are not a good place to buy a pup from.

Like I said earlier, you can take the advice provided here and use it however you like. If you want to ignore it and buy a pup from there, go right ahead. If you want to continue to pick apart arguments against Star, that is fine as that is your stance.

In the end, it is all up to the individual to decide what they will do. Buyer beware.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by mambolady

I said you were wrong about this poster being a phony because you all were talking about people coming on and posting one time to say Star was a good place. She came on and made her statement (doesn't matter what that statement was) because I told her what was being said and she felt she should say something. I didn't tell her to do it. I didn't force her to do it. She's an adult and did it on her own. You were wrong in that she wasn't put up to it by Star. If you read what she said carefully and instead of immediately just jumping to what was wrong with Star, she gave you what she saw and how she felt honestly. Do you really think she would have mentioned the bottle feeding puppies if she thought that was wrong? Think about it. Your reply was good info, your attitude was not good, it was mean and hurtful to a super nice person.

And I'm still waiting for someone to point out about the puppy parties. This really kills me in that you accuse people, anyone, of taking little tiny puppies to a party to make money off of it. Where does it say that? I have been looking at this site for months, as I said b/4 and have never read anything about a puppy party, yet your last post, this last post we are talking about, you bring it up as a current item.

Could it be that you saw a picture of a young dog with a birthday hat on it and assumed this was what you call a puppy party? Did the lady in the picture look like a kid? How did you all decide these people were holding puppy parties and making money? I really wish you would tell me. I told you, I was serious, if you provide proof of them being a puppy mill, or abusing puppies or animals, I live here. I would try to do something about it.
But I truly think you saw this picture and your imaginations ran wild when all it is is a lady sharing a picture of her dog she got from them on his first birthday and the cute fun she and her friends had.

I'm not sure why you have the insistent need to defend this particular greeder. The puppy party had nothing to do with a picture, but rather a craigslist ad offering to rent pups for kids parties. I'm still doing a google search to try and find the original ad. If I find it, I will quite happily post it.

Now, for a little more proof, since you seem to think that you are owed a detailed explanation...

I wrote a post earlier about how they are using undersized dams to breed. I specifically mentioned two yorkies on their front page. One of those little pups was named Macie. With the help of a very good friend of mine who is in the process of searching for a yorkie, we obtained the following info (don't worry, Deanna is a lurker to this site and knows full well that everything about this is wrong!):

Hi Deanna
Thank you for your email.
Little Macy is still available. She is out of a 3.5 lb. dam and a 2.5 lb. sire , has a sweet personality and just a gorgeous face.
I have attached a copy of our health warranty to this email.
Please call or email back when are ready to go forward with the adoption process or if you have any other questions.

Thanks again,

Gina & Ben
Star Yorkie Kennel - Home of Teacup Puppies



And, if she had ordered her on Monday, she could have gotten free shipping!

The health guarantee is also so full of holes you could drive a truck through it. It guarantees against life threatening congenital defects for one year (but not things like LP, Luxating patellas, etc...) But then, only if you return the dog (at your expense) and take another dog in return. California law gives you the option of:
(1) Return your dog and receive a refund of the purchase price, plus sales tax, and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinarian fees up to the cost of the dog plus sales tax.
(2) Return your dog and receive a dog of your choice of equivalent value, providing a replacement dog is available, and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinarian fees up to the cost of the dog, plus sales tax.
(3) Keep the dog and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinarian fees up to 150 percent of the original purchase price of the dog plus sales tax on the original purchase price of the dog.

Interestingly, they DO include a copy of the Lemon Laws, yet their contract runs contradictory to the laws.

Their "health guarantee" does include viral illnesses for 15 days- Good if you have a case of Parvo show up in that time. But it specifically states it will not cover parasites- Bad, what about Giarrdia?

They say in line 6: There will be NO refund under any circumstances to exclude cases covered in section 2 (that's the one about life threatening congenital defects). Again, that's contrary to California Law. A pup can be declared unfit for sale in circumstances other than life threatening congenital conditions.

It also says in line 4 "the seller will not be responsible for any veterinarian bills or medical supplies the buyer may incur to said puppy to exclude cases covered by section 2"- again, not in agreement with California Law.

Line 5 says "Seller's sole liability on above points shall be limited, at seller opinion, to replacement with a puppy of equal value. In no event will seller be liable for any further expense incurred by buyer."- again, contrary to California law.



These people are just so wrong on so many levels, it's unbelievable.

Now, I'm done with this thread. If anyone wants to keep defending their practices, that's up to them. There are enough red flags that have been pointed out that anyone who knowingly walks in there and buys a dog from them deserves what they get.


ETA: Thank you Deanna, for your help with this. You are on the right track to finding a fantastic dog from a reputable breeder. Now quit lurking and join this site officially already!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by mambolady

I said you were wrong about this poster being a phony because you all were talking about people coming on and posting one time to say Star was a good place. She came on and made her statement (doesn't matter what that statement was) because I told her what was being said and she felt she should say something. I didn't tell her to do it. I didn't force her to do it. She's an adult and did it on her own. You were wrong in that she wasn't put up to it by Star. If you read what she said carefully and instead of immediately just jumping to what was wrong with Star, she gave you what she saw and how she felt honestly. Do you really think she would have mentioned the bottle feeding puppies if she thought that was wrong? Think about it. Your reply was good info, your attitude was not good, it was mean and hurtful to a super nice person.

And I'm still waiting for someone to point out about the puppy parties. This really kills me in that you accuse people, anyone, of taking little tiny puppies to a party to make money off of it. Where does it say that? I have been looking at this site for months, as I said b/4 and have never read anything about a puppy party, yet your last post, this last post we are talking about, you bring it up as a current item.

Could it be that you saw a picture of a young dog with a birthday hat on it and assumed this was what you call a puppy party? Did the lady in the picture look like a kid? How did you all decide these people were holding puppy parties and making money? I really wish you would tell me. I told you, I was serious, if you provide proof of them being a puppy mill, or abusing puppies or animals, I live here. I would try to do something about it.
But I truly think you saw this picture and your imaginations ran wild when all it is is a lady sharing a picture of her dog she got from them on his first birthday and the cute fun she and her friends had.

Are you freaking serious? why do you HAVE to keep defending this breeder? What about them says they are NOT puppymill? They are so full of red flags. It's like you saying the sky is green and and all know it is not, but you won't let up.

I'm with rhetts mama, i'm so done with this thread. absolutely ridiculous.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Are you freaking serious? why do you HAVE to keep defending this breeder? What about them says they are NOT puppymill? They are so full of red flags. It's like you saying the sky is green and and all know it is not, but you won't let up.

I'm with rhetts mama, i'm so done with this thread. absolutely ridiculous.

Well since I live pretty close to this person, I guess I'll do a check for myself. I'll start with an e-mail intro......and then go from there. As a breeder I can pretty well spot a greeder, really don't have to visit, I can do that over the phone. They know how to talk the talk, but when the rubber meets the road....that's when it falls apart. These people are very good at knowing how to appeal to the average puppy buyer......it's their business to know how to do the sales pitch.......it's not about the dogs but, lining their pockets.

[mambolady]

I never defended them once. I defended my friend who only posted what she got and what she saw. I asked questions, I tried to learn, and only a few were civil in their responses and I thanked them. I truly did appreciate that.

I thanked the people who taught me about hydrocephalus, I was not aware of it being in Yorkies, and all the different red flags. I wanted to understand. I wanted to know what to look for, but got jumped on for asking how you would know. I also said if you can prove the abuse, I could turn them in because I live here and would have absolutely no problem about turning it animal abusers.

But you only read what you want. Thank you to everyone who tried to help me with what I came here to try to find and that was looking for a good breeder which I never found on this list.

No need to post the Craigslist ad if you find it RhetssMama, no need to waste your time because it is not current and would not be of any value in turning them in.

[mambolady]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Well since I live pretty close to this person, I guess I'll do a check for myself. I'll start with an e-mail intro......and then go from there. As a breeder I can pretty well spot a greeder, really don't have to visit, I can do that over the phone. They know how to talk the talk, but when the rubber meets the road....that's when it falls apart. These people are very good at knowing how to appeal to the average puppy buyer......it's their business to know how to do the sales pitch.......it's not about the dogs but, lining their pockets.

Well I decided a long time ago not to do any business with them. And Rhett's Mama has stated there is no way to do anything about them because they don't have any proof.
I have found 2 dogs that need rescuing and I'm looking into them. One is a Yorkie and one is not. The one that is not a Yorkie was rescued from the hoarder in Lancaster. Because of him there are another 100 dogs in this area that need help so I'm going to look at them as soon as my dog has healed from her cancer surgery yesterday. I'm sure I can find a wonderful loving pooch amongst all of the dogs that need rescuing in this area. It frankly is so stressful trying to find a Yorkie it's shocking. I ran into a guy yesterday and asked him where he got his and he got it from a store. From what everyone hear has said, it sounded like the store guy bought from puppy mills. But then, who am I to say it's true unless I know it for a fact.

Mardelin, I appreciate the advice you gave me in the past. Thanks again.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by mambolady

I never defended them once. I defended my friend who only posted what she got and what she saw. I asked questions, I tried to learn, and only a few were civil in their responses and I thanked them. I truly did appreciate that.

I thanked the people who taught me about hydrocephalus, I was not aware of it being in Yorkies, and all the different red flags. I wanted to understand. I wanted to know what to look for, but got jumped on for asking how you would know. I also said if you can prove the abuse, I could turn them in because I live here and would have absolutely no problem about turning it animal abusers.

But you only read what you want. Thank you to everyone who tried to help me with what I came here to try to find and that was looking for a good breeder which I never found on this list.

No need to post the Craigslist ad if you find it RhetssMama, no need to waste your time because it is not current and would not be of any value in turning them in.

Health Checks: Just in case you don't know or haven't run across here is a pretty comprehensive list of "health" problems Yorkies can have; many are genetic problems.

1. LP 2. Leggs Perthe 3. HD hip dysplasia 4. PRA 5. Bladder Stones 6. Hyperuricosuria 7. PDA 8. Skin problems 9. G/I problems 10. Hyper/Hypothyrodism 11 LS LIVER SHUNT 12. Hypoglycemia 13. Mild to severe reactions to vaccines especially if given multiple shots on the same day. 14. Open Fontanel

If you goto the Sick and Emergency section, you will find all of the above, many times over being posted about. Or simply do a search on any of the conditions above.

Good breeders will test the breeding pair for what can be tested prior to mating, along with the standard pre breeding tests. Good breeders will follow up their puppies owners to see how puppy is adjusting, and be prepared to support their owners over the life of their pup, the list goes on and on. There is an article in the YT library, in fact several on how to screen breeders, it has some pretty good info on it.

[gemy]

Oh yes and one more thing, whilst testing of the breeding pair can assure the breeder that this particular pair do not have any of the above health concerns, it CANNOT guarantee none of the pups will. How-ever the first concern of the buyer is to buy a puppy from healthy parents, the breeder should know their lines forwards and backwards including what health issues have cropped up in their lines. I would be very skeptical of a breeder that says none. For those lines include grandparents, greatgrandparents, direct siblings of the breeding pair, and the siblings of all grand/great grandparents.

[mambolady]

Great Info Gemy! Thank you.

I have a few questions, but I will check out the section you recommended and if I don't find the answer I will start a new thread and get outta this one.

Thank you again.

[LoveYorkies2011]

I have had nothing but positive experience from StarYorkie. They carry healthy pups with no genetic disorders or conditions. The pups are well taken care of. You see their living quarters. Dogs come from all over the world - welcome to globalization. Dogs can be bred to achieve certain results and always have been - if done responsibly so their lives are not in danger nor the lives of their puppies - there is nothing wrong with this in my opinion. Personally I would not put a young pup on a plane if it could be avoided. Despite that I live many states away from StarYorkie and they would put the dog on a plane - I flew in and got it myself and took the pup back myself via plane. I think it's nicer when the puppy can sit in the cabin with me versus where the airlines normally put dogs. Anyway - I had to say something because I like Gina and Ben very much. They have been very supportive about all my questions and concerns about my puppy. For example, I had a vet who wanted to do surgery on my puppy for a herina and Gina told me herinas are normal in small puppies and they do not cause any pain and they "pop" back into place as it grows up... within a few weeks, it was GONE. So in other words, the Vet I went to was trying to take advantage of me and Gina and Ben provided me with excellent advice. My puppy is happy and healthy and about 4 years old now and we've never had any health problems. Thank you.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by LoveYorkies2011

I have had nothing but positive experience from StarYorkie. They carry healthy pups with no genetic disorders or conditions. The pups are well taken care of. You see their living quarters. Dogs come from all over the world - welcome to globalization. Dogs can be bred to achieve certain results and always have been - if done responsibly so their lives are not in danger nor the lives of their puppies - there is nothing wrong with this in my opinion. Personally I would not put a young pup on a plane if it could be avoided. Despite that I live many states away from StarYorkie and they would put the dog on a plane - I flew in and got it myself and took the pup back myself via plane. I think it's nicer when the puppy can sit in the cabin with me versus where the airlines normally put dogs. Anyway - I had to say something because I like Gina and Ben very much. They have been very supportive about all my questions and concerns about my puppy. For example, I had a vet who wanted to do surgery on my puppy for a herina and Gina told me herinas are normal in small puppies and they do not cause any pain and they "pop" back into place as it grows up... within a few weeks, it was GONE. So in other words, the Vet I went to was trying to take advantage of me and Gina and Ben provided me with excellent advice. My puppy is happy and healthy and about 4 years old now and we've never had any health problems. Thank you.

Just curious...did Gina & Ben disclose your puppies umbilical hernia prior to your purchasing or did your Veterinarian diagnose this?

I find it apalling that a Greeder would dare diagnose your puppy over the phone vs advising you to listen to your Veterinarian's advice or recommending you get a second opinion.

So, now Gina & Ben are practicing Veterinary medicine over the phone...grrr!

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Well since I live pretty close to this person, I guess I'll do a check for myself. I'll start with an e-mail intro......and then go from there. As a breeder I can pretty well spot a greeder, really don't have to visit, I can do that over the phone. They know how to talk the talk, but when the rubber meets the road....that's when it falls apart. These people are very good at knowing how to appeal to the average puppy buyer......it's their business to know how to do the sales pitch.......it's not about the dogs but, lining their pockets.

Hey Mary...maybe you can also inquire about their "puppy giveaway contest"...that should be really interesting!

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